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Thread: Pub 20 will increase the tension between Jedi and BH

Razkil
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:04 am
#1

I've only been playing since April of last year (and if it matters, I ground out MBH pre-CU) and I've been seeing the feelings between most Jedi and the rest of SWG profs,especially BH and Jedi)get stronger and more angry. This seems to be mostly related to the sheer number of Jedi running around. I think Pub 20 is going to make it worse.


1. With the /duel exploit you lose the first strike option, which according to the Devs at fanfest was the equilizer between a CL80 BH and a Jedi. This means the equilizer is eliminated and BHs will lose more often. This means more Jedi on all servers.

2. More same faction killing. How many Arakyds are you going to burn up, how many shuttle tickets are you going to buy, how much maintenance on your swoop are you going to pay just to find out: the mark logged off, went into space, went to Kash, if same faction, is a friend, gets away from you and makes the safety of their house?

3. Related to number 2. All of that takes time, just to drop mission after mission and start over. Which means less time spent causing negative XP for Paddys and, therefore, more Jedi.


It doesn't really matter if smugglers end up on the terms to give more conent for BHs and Smugglers - the Jedi population will grow. The only two limiting factors in making Jedi is 1. time and 2.BHs; without BHs, it's going to take whole lot less time. And without too much fear of Vis that will comedue toPub 20 it's just going to make make it worse.


I don't have a solution because we already seem to be in a never-ending downward spiral. I just wanted to post up what I was thinking and see if other BHs or Jedis had some other opinions on the 'crystal-ball'



neelong
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:08 am
#2

Ever wonder who will be making armor or foods or weapons when everyone is a Jedi and running around in theed in Jedi gank groups? This is only the beginning of the downward spiral for the game



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Jedi_Xan
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:29 am
#3

that's why you need to hop over to my petition to have jedi moved to a "new Instance" of the server. That way, they can pwn each other to their hearts content and we can get on with a whole new game. The way it was meant to be, without 100 thousand jedi. (and yes, i will be jedi soon, and i support this.).



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Monski
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:50 am
#4

Personally I think a lot of Jedi will get bored and play their alts more. It's like when a new toy comes out, a kid just has to have it, after a few days it's sitting under the bed somewhere. I personally got bored of standing around starports and ganking people, and getting ganked. The whole thing just got old after a while. You collect all the best weapon, armor, decorations for your home. Don't get me wrong Jedi is fun, as well as bh (I've done both ) But I enjoy my alts, and my rifleman, or my tk/doc gets more loot than my Jedi ever will. It's still a fun game with plenty do regardless of all the changes All we can do is make the most out of it
Corvett
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:57 am
#5

It will onlyupsetthe griefers actually. Player Bounty Hunting is SUPPOSED to be hard and difficult so get over it. If you do not like it go entertainer.



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Eskie
Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:58 am
#6



Razkil wrote:
I've only been playing since April of last year (and if it matters, I ground out MBH pre-CU) and I've been seeing the feelings between most Jedi and the rest of SWG profs, especially BH and Jedi) get stronger and more angry. This seems to be mostly related to the sheer number of Jedi running around. I think Pub 20 is going to make it worse.
1. With the /duel exploit you lose the first strike option, which according to the Devs at fanfest was the equilizer between a CL80 BH and a Jedi. This means the equilizer is eliminated and BHs will lose more often. This means more Jedi on all servers.
2. More same faction killing. How many Arakyds are you going to burn up, how many shuttle tickets are you going to buy, how much maintenance on your swoop are you going to pay just to find out: the mark logged off, went into space, went to Kash, if same faction, is a friend, gets away from you and makes the safety of their house?
3. Related to number 2. All of that takes time, just to drop mission after mission and start over. Which means less time spent causing negative XP for Paddys and, therefore, more Jedi.
It doesn't really matter if smugglers end up on the terms to give more conent for BHs and Smugglers - the Jedi population will grow. The only two limiting factors in making Jedi is 1. time and 2. BHs; without BHs, it's going to take whole lot less time. And without too much fear of Vis that will come due to Pub 20 it's just going to make make it worse.
I don't have a solution because we already seem to be in a never-ending downward spiral. I just wanted to post up what I was thinking and see if other BHs or Jedis had some other opinions on the 'crystal-ball'





1) As you already stated, it is an exploit and will be fixed. But you do not lose your first strike ability, you still get to fire the first shot and you still choose when and where to fight. You lose the element of surprise, but not your first strike capability.

2) The terminals will show "Imperial Jedi", "Rebel Jedi" or "Neutral Jedi". So you have the option to avoid killing your own faction without even asking around what faction a certain Jedi is as you do now. All the other points you mentioned are already possible today, you can even take missions on offline Jedi currently, whereas post-pub-20 only online Jedi will be on the terms.

3) see 2) first. On top of that, the BH profession is not meant to hinder the progress of another player. BHs are _not_ the population control mechanism for the Jedi population. Targeting another player specifically to hinder his progress is harassment. The BH profession is meant for PvPers who enjoy to stalk other players and hunt them down, not for people only wanting to grief others.



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Daetrik
Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:14 am
#7






Corvett wrote:

It will onlyupsetthe griefers actually. Player Bounty Hunting is SUPPOSED to be hard and difficult so get over it. If you do not like it go entertainer.





as I recal.. Playing as a Jedi is supposed to be the hardest profession in the game... now it is bar none the easiest.. as you are the most powerful profession period.



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ErveStarr
Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:20 am
#8






Eskie wrote:



3) see 2) first. On top of that, the BH profession is not meant to hinder the progress of another player. BHs are _not_ the population control mechanism for the Jedi population. Targeting another player specifically to hinder his progress is harassment. The BH profession is meant for PvPers who enjoy to stalk other players and hunt them down, not for people only wanting to grief others.





QFE, there are too many Bounty Hunters who believe they are meant for population control and hunt for the sole purpose of causing the jedi to lose xp - this is the sort of player that causes alot of the animosity between Jedi and BH's.



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Mosuger
Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:26 am
#9

Increased tension doesn't matter much. It really matters more to the people that actually use these forums to carry out their flame wars. As long as you have RL peopleplaying a"normal" profession hunting other RLpeople playing the real"elite" profession with everything to lose and nothing to gain, there will always be tension. It's human nature, get over it and play or go home.



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Razkil
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:41 pm
#10


Eskie,


Well stated points. Thanks for considering what I was obviously thinking about and putting another objective perspective on it which is what I was hoping to achieve for me and other BH's.

Eutock
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:48 pm
#11

Well duh.



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HyprHypo
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:56 pm
#12



neelong wrote:
Ever wonder who will be making armor or foods or weapons when everyone is a Jedi and running around in theed in Jedi gank groups? This is only the beginning of the downward spiral for the game




If we are all Jedi, we dont need armor weapons and food. We can craft our own stuff and use our own buffs, itll be awesome!



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Jedi_Xan
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:24 am
#13






HyprHypo wrote:





neelong wrote:
Ever wonder who will be making armor or foods or weapons when everyone is a Jedi and running around in theed in Jedi gank groups? This is only the beginning of the downward spiral for the game






If we are all Jedi, we dont need armor weapons and food. We can craft our own stuff and use our own buffs, itll be awesome!




exactly why this game will be boring and worthless at EOL



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