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Thread: publish 20 hysteria, a jedi's perspective
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Oss_Wilum
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:39 pm
#1
I am currently a jedi, and to some that may invalidate my opinion from here on out, but i was once a master bounty hunter, and i was a carbineer along with it, during the days of marksman and scout mastery and when carbineers killed ourselves faster than the enemy.
I honestly cannot understand why there's such an uproar, but here's the main concerns i've seen:
1) Mission Payouts
2) 1 Vs 1 BH missions
3) Kashyyyk hunting with the lack of names
4) Group Visibility
5) Mission Decay
1) There is the opinion among most of you that jedi mission payouts are being nerfed to 52k, that is not the case as i understand it. The true payout will now be:
45k-52k + Bonus for jedi time on terminal + Bonus for jedi level
with that formula, i doubt the prices will fluctuate, HOWEVER, the price one bounty hunter gets on a jedi will not be the same as on another BH gets by a difference of up to 7k creds.
If we took it to mean, say, 25k for every day the bounty is on the terms, and 500 credits for every SP invested in jedi, a full template double mastery that has been on for a day will pay approximately 183k-190k credits, not so much of a difference, right? after 3 days he'd be worth more than he would have normally, and if any of these values are higher, it's a BH pay INCREASE
2) There is the opinion among most of you that a full template BH cannot solo a full template jedi. i ask you: should you be able to? the reason you have first strike is because you are theoretically weaker than said jedi, and with the first strike advantage you can kill him when he's in a weakened, tired state(consider if he'd just channeled a few times, he could be as low as 500 health). In the current system, you have both first strike, but if you work with another bounty hunter, you can overwhelm the jedi in damage and healing also.
Imagine 2 MBH/MCM/0004Pistoleers after 1 jedi. they can outheal, outdamage, and keep him in 1 place, they also get to choose when. is it fair? I would be inclined to say no.
3) Kashyyyk I agree with you on all points, they should remove XP on that planet, however, kashyyyk is not the most efficient place to get XP, and hopefully with group visibility turned off many jedi will consider leaving the safety of kashyyyk.
I hope XP on kashyyyk is turned off.
4) Group visibilty is an odd thing to be upset over. there's already more jedi on the terms than bounty hunters to hunt them. visibilty isn't hard to get and being on the terms is a cinch, i think this is just from bitterness imo.
5) Mission decay
How long does it take you to complete a bounty? they intend for you to stalk your prey, 3 days should be more than enough time, but the way it is now, a jedi mission could be banged out in 30 minutes, which is too short if you ask me. i don't think this will be a practical problem, just atheoretical ending, and even if your mission decays after 3 days, who's to say you can just go pick it up again? it's not like theres a penalty for failing.
I hope i've expressed my opinions well enough to those of you who cared enough to listen without the arbitrary and knee-jerk: OMG jedi get back to your own forums \/\/tf troll!
Dicemanorama
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:47 pm
#2
Good points. It would seem there will be no more 2v1 or 3v1 BH/Knight missions anymore unless they happen by pure luck. So I take it your stance is, since we are weaker and have the element of surprise on our side, you won't whine when we finish you off while your in the midst of grinding an uber lair or PvPing? 'Cause that's the only way I'm gonna attempt it.
cydonia
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:49 pm
#3
Oss_Wilum wrote:
I am currently a jedi, and to some that may invalidate my opinion from here on out, but i was once a master bounty hunter, and i was a carbineer along with it, during the days of marksman and scout mastery and when carbineers killed ourselves faster than the enemy.
I honestly cannot understand why there's such an uproar, but here's the main concerns i've seen:
1) Mission Payouts
2) 1 Vs 1 BH missions
3) Kashyyyk hunting with the lack of names
4) Group Visibility
5) Mission Decay
1) There is the opinion among most of you that jedi mission payouts are being nerfed to 52k, that is not the case as i understand it. The true payout will now be:
45k-52k + Bonus for jedi time on terminal + Bonus for jedi level
with that formula, i doubt the prices will fluctuate, HOWEVER, the price one bounty hunter gets on a jedi will not be the same as on another BH gets by a difference of up to 7k creds.
If we took it to mean, say, 25k for every day the bounty is on the terms, and 500 credits for every SP invested in jedi, a full template double mastery that has been on for a day will pay approximately 183k-190k credits, not so much of a difference, right? after 3 days he'd be worth more than he would have normally, and if any of these values are higher, it's a BH pay INCREASE
2) There is the opinion among most of you that a full template BH cannot solo a full template jedi. i ask you: should you be able to? the reason you have first strike is because you are theoretically weaker than said jedi, and with the first strike advantage you can kill him when he's in a weakened, tired state(consider if he'd just channeled a few times, he could be as low as 500 health). In the current system, you have both first strike, but if you work with another bounty hunter, you can overwhelm the jedi in damage and healing also.
Imagine 2 MBH/MCM/0004Pistoleers after 1 jedi. they can outheal, outdamage, and keep him in 1 place, they also get to choose when. is it fair? I would be inclined to say no.
3) Kashyyyk I agree with you on all points, they should remove XP on that planet, however, kashyyyk is not the most efficient place to get XP, and hopefully with group visibility turned off many jedi will consider leaving the safety of kashyyyk.
I hope XP on kashyyyk is turned off.
4) Group visibilty is an odd thing to be upset over. there's already more jedi on the terms than bounty hunters to hunt them. visibilty isn't hard to get and being on the terms is a cinch, i think this is just from bitterness imo.
5) Mission decay
How long does it take you to complete a bounty? they intend for you to stalk your prey, 3 days should be more than enough time, but the way it is now, a jedi mission could be banged out in 30 minutes, which is too short if you ask me. i don't think this will be a practical problem, just atheoretical ending, and even if your mission decays after 3 days, who's to say you can just go pick it up again? it's not like theres a penalty for failing.
I hope i've expressed my opinions well enough to those of you who cared enough to listen without the arbitrary and knee-jerk: OMG jedi get back to your own forums \/\/tf troll!
All good points
lbfoofoo
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:50 pm
#4
the only thing that is really pissing me off is NEVER getting the jedi name. From BH who have played on TC they said they have to tab through the enemies until they find thier mark. explain to me how that give us the element of surprise?
Here's how the hunts will go from now on:
We find the waypoint and as we get there we find 8 jedi in a group griding a broken lair with 50 creatures around. We tab through the targets and after 25 tabs our seeker droid says he is not on the planet. This IS how it will go from now on and we al know it. we are going to be standing there looking like an idiot while the jedi run for thier house before they get tef'd.
we no longer have the element of surprise now since we have to tab tab tab while they see us standing there
Message Edited by lbfoofoo on 07-06-2005 07:51 PM
Oss_Wilum
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:52 pm
#5
Dicemanorama wrote:
Good points. It would seem there will be no more 2v1 or 3v1 BH/Knight missions anymore unless they happen by pure luck. So I take it your stance is, since we are weaker and have the element of surprise on our side, you won't whine when we finish you off while your in the midst of grinding an uber lair or PvPing? 'Cause that's the only way I'm gonna attempt it.
Thats exactly how a hunter should hunt. not guns blazing banners flying, but with tact, initiative, and knowing you'll win before you click /stoppingshot
KRAKEN666
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:53 pm
#6
i am jedi also. i dont beleive that bh are seeing the advantage to them if the jedi grind on kash. no, you cant see them, we all know that. but, do u realize that because of the jedi grouping on kash, it is producing more jedi to be published on the terminals. let me repeat that,,,,more low level jedi on the terminals... the only npc's on kash worth grinding are credit dropping npc's. jedi wont stay on kash forever, especially after they get all their boxes filled or just get blind bored being there. for every group on every level, you are getting 8 more jedi on the terminals, and more than likely those 8 are not high level jedi.
NewPlayerTutorial
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:54 pm
#7
You seem to make sense on all points. But keep in mind, for realitys sake, the payouts dont make too much sense. In truth any good Bh knows how to make money other than jedi killing. Its really slow, its dangerous as all hell and never garuntes pay, ever. Thats a Shoddy way to make money. If your using BH missions to suppliment income, good job, but if you are surviving off them alone your doing something wrong.
1v1BH
This im iffy on. Some jedi are just unkillable solo, end of story. I dueled a Mdefender who had channel and ranged knockdown, this duel, kid you not, lasted over an hour and circled theentirity of coronet several times. Certain jedi are unkillable solo, its just a fact. Alleviating this is pretty much undoable. Keep in mind some BH take a jedis mission not KNOWING annother BH has it. If you have any idea how HARD it is to find a jedi that isnt afk in a house, on kashy exploiting the bridge, or is even online, you would understand the significance. But even I must admit 5 bh taking one mission is a bit ludacriss.
Kash as it stand is utter nonsense. You cant find jedi and the oens you can are exploiting. I seriously doubt SOE can fix that area of the game so turning trakcing on in kash is out of the question so i guess the only thing that makes sense is LOWERED (significantly)xp. It is kind of dumb not getting anything for killing something, but its even more insane that you can go afk on an entire planet and live on a macro with almost entire security.
group vis should be dramatically REDUCED but not eliminated. That is almst the soul source of vis for jedi that arnt templated... Using that the only jedis on terms are MLS/MDEF/whatever who Want to be there.
Decay? its a good anti greif. Not much else to say..
Thassk
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:56 pm
#8
Oss_Wilum wrote:
I am currently a jedi, and to some that may invalidate my opinion from here on out, but i was once a master bounty hunter, and i was a carbineer along with it, during the days of marksman and scout mastery and when carbineers killed ourselves faster than the enemy.
I honestly cannot understand why there's such an uproar, but here's the main concerns i've seen:
1) Mission Payouts
2) 1 Vs 1 BH missions
3) Kashyyyk hunting with the lack of names
4) Group Visibility
5) Mission Decay
1) There is the opinion among most of you that jedi mission payouts are being nerfed to 52k, that is not the case as i understand it. The true payout will now be:
45k-52k + Bonus for jedi time on terminal + Bonus for jedi level
with that formula, i doubt the prices will fluctuate, HOWEVER, the price one bounty hunter gets on a jedi will not be the same as on another BH gets by a difference of up to 7k creds.
If we took it to mean, say, 25k for every day the bounty is on the terms, and 500 credits for every SP invested in jedi, a full template double mastery that has been on for a day will pay approximately 183k-190k credits, not so much of a difference, right? after 3 days he'd be worth more than he would have normally, and if any of these values are higher, it's a BH pay INCREASE
2) There is the opinion among most of you that a full template BH cannot solo a full template jedi. i ask you: should you be able to? the reason you have first strike is because you are theoretically weaker than said jedi, and with the first strike advantage you can kill him when he's in a weakened, tired state(consider if he'd just channeled a few times, he could be as low as 500 health). In the current system, you have both first strike, but if you work with another bounty hunter, you can overwhelm the jedi in damage and healing also.
Imagine 2 MBH/MCM/0004Pistoleers after 1 jedi. they can outheal, outdamage, and keep him in 1 place, they also get to choose when. is it fair? I would be inclined to say no.
3) Kashyyyk I agree with you on all points, they should remove XP on that planet, however, kashyyyk is not the most efficient place to get XP, and hopefully with group visibility turned off many jedi will consider leaving the safety of kashyyyk.
I hope XP on kashyyyk is turned off.
4) Group visibilty is an odd thing to be upset over. there's already more jedi on the terms than bounty hunters to hunt them. visibilty isn't hard to get and being on the terms is a cinch, i think this is just from bitterness imo.
5) Mission decay
How long does it take you to complete a bounty? they intend for you to stalk your prey, 3 days should be more than enough time, but the way it is now, a jedi mission could be banged out in 30 minutes, which is too short if you ask me. i don't think this will be a practical problem, just atheoretical ending, and even if your mission decays after 3 days, who's to say you can just go pick it up again? it's not like theres a penalty for failing.
I hope i've expressed my opinions well enough to those of you who cared enough to listen without the arbitrary and knee-jerk: OMG jedi get back to your own forums \/\/tf troll!
let me ask you this bro ... if bh is such an awesome profession and in its current state so " fun and rewarding" why do you play most as a jedi?
you think two pistoleers can keep a jedi rooted perpetually, your wrong ..if the root misses ( which happens a LOT more lately after pub 19 ) the BH has to wait for the timer to be reset ... one vs one even with first strike .. a BH has to have MORE skill than a jedi to kill him ... equally skilled players the jedi has MORE ways ( and theres no doubt about it) to either WIN the fight ... or escape and render the BH's mission a failure ...
but you miss the point .. there wont be any fights ...vs non full template jedi ... because they will all be hiding in kashyyk .. or some far off planet in the corner .. where if anything pops up within 500 meters they'll catch it on their radar and run into the house they just planted right by the mob lair they are grinding ...sure a jedi might not be able toruninsideahouse after he attacks .. but it doesnt stop him from running into a house soon as he sees the BH ... the main reason BH are BH is for the rolepalying element .. if we wanted to be allpowerful or super awesome in PvE .. wed be jedi like you ... and without names ... the profession looses all RP elements .. and it becomes MAD boring .. bascially a waypoint chasing profession ..
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-06-2005 08:02 PM
NewPlayerTutorial
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:56 pm
#9
Do you realize a vast majority of the jedi on my server NEVER leave kash, specifically the webweaver trail and are in effect unkillable? Sure thats 8 more UNKILLABLE JEDI! flawless logic kid.
KRAKEN666
Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:02 pm
#10
yes, i realize alot of camping goes on, but i have went on our server and watched a good bh come through each level and take down the afk names and come back in a few minutes, do his job, and keep repeating this cycle. he had over 12 kills in 3 hours because of this technique. i guess it depends how much effort you are going to have to put in the changes to see the results.
OhBuggah
Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:02 pm
#11
I agree with the original poster. Anonymous missions are no big deal if they address the two main issues of (1) Being unable to locate marks on Kashyyk and (2) Jedi AFK in private structures wasting a bounty hunter's time tracking him down.
They can fix both by turning XP off on Kashyyk -- it should be an adventure planet, not a grinding planet, and listing on the terminals if a Jedi is in a private structure -- this way a bounty hunter can choose whether or not to pick a mission on a Jedi in a private house.
cydonia
Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:04 pm
#12
lbfoofoo wrote:
the only thing that is really pissing me off is NEVER getting the jedi name. From BH who have played on TC they said they have to tab through the enemies until they find thier mark. explain to me how that give us the element of surprise?
Here's how the hunts will go from now on:
We find the waypoint and as we get there we find 8 jedi in a group griding a broken lair with 50 creatures around. We tab through the targets and after 25 tabs our seeker droid says he is not on the planet. This IS how it will go from now on and we al know it. we are going to be standing there looking like an idiot while the jedi run for thier house before they get tef'd.
we no longer have the element of surprise now since we have to tab tab tab while they see us standing there
Message Edited by lbfoofoo on 07-06-2005 07:51 PM
I hear where your coming from here. Without the element of suprise your F***ed.
ObiQuixote
Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:09 pm
#13
One effect of the group visibility change is that after some time the only missions should be for full template PvP'ers. They will be the only ones getting visibility. Think the nerf bat might keep swinging back and forth here and I think that might have been the plan all along.
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