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Thread: SamousNemo...
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Achyutathewook
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:47 am
#1
First off, let me start by saying, "Welcome and Congrats on being the new BH Correspondant."
Now that I got that out of the way, let me comment on some posts of yours.
"Please keep in mind that any form of removing a bounty from a structure is not an alternative I am willing to pursue."
This is one, but I do not agree with your thinking. You are a correspondant. Not a dev or the sole leader of the BH community. What your job here is to SUPPORT our ideas and issues. You are a liasion to the devs. You are our voices. It isnt up to you what you want to pursue. If you want to have our support, then you need to rethink how you handle things. I know you just started as a correspondant, so I am giving you some advice. Instead of listenting to your own ideas and thinking about how YOU can improve the BH profession, you need to listen to our ideas and do your best to make us happy. That is what a correspondant does. Take a look at all of the other correspondants. They do their best for their profession. That's what you need to focus on.
I do not mean to come off rude, but I have been a BH for 2 years and although I didnt get everything I wanted for the BH's, I know Tanks did his best to make us happy. If you do not feel you can do this, please step down and let someone else do this. Thanks.
A-Slave
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:57 am
#2
Forcing marks out of private houses will never happen... going afk for a little while or sitting and chatting with friends is part of what games are about (jedi too! *gasp*). Would it really make anyone happy to be able to "/eject afk-jedi" then kill them? (other then BH that want "revenge") BH that are just playing the game for fun ...shouldnt find killing an afk jedi rewarding (though, that BH you wants "revenge" on all the jedi in the game would LOVEEE to piss of the player behind the jedi)
SamousNemo as the correspondant should push changes that are more realistic for the game (all players)....godmode for BH and tools to grief jedi arent part of that...
Durzel
Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:08 am
#3
Try to think about what you are asking for rationally.
If someone is not in combat with you, then they have every right to log off, AFK or whatever whereever they please. As has been remarked already, there are any number of Real World™ things that can happen which require immediate attention - a friend might ring at the door, your phone might ring, food might start burning, etc. The notion that someone should be prevented from going AFK purely to satisfy your bloodlust is staggering.
"Why don't they just log off?" Well, again as another person has remarked in the main thread - there are often times when you think a Real World™ activity is going to take only a minute or so, but ends up running on for a while. You can't legislate for that, and it may not be possible in some cases to stop whatever it is you're doing in the Real World™, come back to your PC and log out. You could be arrested by the Police, for example.
These are my thoughts...
A BH should be able to enter any private structure that his mark enters, while the BH is within a certain distance of the mark (and after having commenced an attack). You wouldn't necessarily have to be in combat for this, but as long as you can "see" (lets say for the sake of argument - up to 500m) your mark, then you can enter any private structure they enter.
If the Jedi gets more than 500m away and is able to enter a private structure, the normal rules should apply.
Not sure how it would be best to handle pulling missions on Jedi who are actually already in a private structure - maybe you could have it that in addition to your "active" mission - you could pull another 1 or 2 missions for Jedi who are in private structures. Then, when the Jedi9s) exits the structure(s) you are given a choice whether you wish to persue them (and drop your current active mission), or carry on with your active Jedi mission. You could even be provided with a waypoint, but not the ability to attack, so you can determine whether they are actually not AFK anymore.
Thoughts?
If someone is not in combat with you, then they have every right to log off, AFK or whatever whereever they please. As has been remarked already, there are any number of Real World™ things that can happen which require immediate attention - a friend might ring at the door, your phone might ring, food might start burning, etc. The notion that someone should be prevented from going AFK purely to satisfy your bloodlust is staggering.
"Why don't they just log off?" Well, again as another person has remarked in the main thread - there are often times when you think a Real World™ activity is going to take only a minute or so, but ends up running on for a while. You can't legislate for that, and it may not be possible in some cases to stop whatever it is you're doing in the Real World™, come back to your PC and log out. You could be arrested by the Police, for example.
These are my thoughts...
A BH should be able to enter any private structure that his mark enters, while the BH is within a certain distance of the mark (and after having commenced an attack). You wouldn't necessarily have to be in combat for this, but as long as you can "see" (lets say for the sake of argument - up to 500m) your mark, then you can enter any private structure they enter.
If the Jedi gets more than 500m away and is able to enter a private structure, the normal rules should apply.
Not sure how it would be best to handle pulling missions on Jedi who are actually already in a private structure - maybe you could have it that in addition to your "active" mission - you could pull another 1 or 2 missions for Jedi who are in private structures. Then, when the Jedi9s) exits the structure(s) you are given a choice whether you wish to persue them (and drop your current active mission), or carry on with your active Jedi mission. You could even be provided with a waypoint, but not the ability to attack, so you can determine whether they are actually not AFK anymore.
Thoughts?
jdarklion
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:00 am
#4
Ok I think anyone who is going to make a post that is even going to sound rude needs to step back and remember a few things.
1. yes he is new
2. he is still a person just like you and is still able to express his points of view in his posts just like you.
3. I agree he is here to help better the entire profession not just what he thinks, (but what he thinks also needs to be brought out cause lets face it.. he has a closer tie to the devs and might be letting us know that no matter how much we want something and **edit** about it we probably arent going to get it.. lets wait to see what is forwarded/enacted after discussing ALL points of view before we start making posts that ask for the person to step down.
That being said... I feel the new correspondent is doing things right... he is trying to get on the same page with everyone and learn a new role to be able to better help out the BH community. Let him make his mistakes and learn from them the same way you would if you were the leader. no one is perfect not even me nor you.
Post Note: If you had wanted the job or if anyone else had wanted the job they had ample opportunity to request it and then equal chances of being chosen reguardless of how long you have been playing (including me)
RingSting_IOM
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:33 am
#5
I disagre, roleplaying wise, if you have done something that puts you onto th bounty hunter terminals you shouldnt have a second where you arnt worrying about getting attacked. If you let your defenses downa dn go afk for anytime then it should be your loss and not another game players. Dont forget that when became a jedi you also accepted the risks, its not something that you should be able to turn on and off whenevr you feel like it. If you want to play safely you have an alt for that.
Durzel wrote:
Try to think about what you are asking for rationally.
If someone is not in combat with you, then they have every right to log off, AFK or whatever whereever they please. As has been remarked already, there are any number of Real World™ things that can happen which require immediate attention - a friend might ring at the door, your phone might ring, food might start burning, etc. The notion that someone should be prevented from going AFK purely to satisfy your bloodlust is staggering.
"Why don't they just log off?" Well, again as another person has remarked in the main thread - there are often times when you think a Real World™ activity is going to take only a minute or so, but ends up running on for a while. You can't legislate for that, and it may not be possible in some cases to stop whatever it is you're doing in the Real World™, come back to your PC and log out. You could be arrested by the Police, for example.
These are my thoughts...
A BH should be able to enter any private structure that his mark enters, while the BH is within a certain distance of the mark (and after having commenced an attack). You wouldn't necessarily have to be in combat for this, but as long as you can "see" (lets say for the sake of argument - up to 500m) your mark, then you can enter any private structure they enter.
If the Jedi gets more than 500m away and is able to enter a private structure, the normal rules should apply.
Not sure how it would be best to handle pulling missions on Jedi who are actually already in a private structure - maybe you could have it that in addition to your "active" mission - you could pull another 1 or 2 missions for Jedi who are in private structures. Then, when the Jedi9s) exits the structure(s) you are given a choice whether you wish to persue them (and drop your current active mission), or carry on with your active Jedi mission. You could even be provided with a waypoint, but not the ability to attack, so you can determine whether they are actually not AFK anymore.
Thoughts?
a9er
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:37 am
#6
Everybody is talking about risk vs. pay.
Whats the risk for one jedi? And what does that guy get as return?
thelar
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:39 am
#7
The best way to deal with that issue is just have the jedi not pop up on the terminals if they are static ina private house. I am a BH also, and I absolutely hate getting toa jedi mark that is inside a damn house. Hes not even hiding from me, he doesnt even know im there, hes just afk, very time consuming, very annoying. Ejecting them from the house doesnt accomplish anything, you end up killing an afk toon more often then not. That just isnt any fun, and fun is why we play.
They also need to take kasshyk jedi and space jedi off terminals too, thats just a god damn annoying waste of droids.
Durzel
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:40 am
#8
I agree with what you are saying, to a point.
Imo people need to step back and realise that players = people, and in a lot of cases these people have things going on around them in real life that means they are not at the keyboard every second they are logged in.
You could argue that Jedi on the terms should "expect" to have to log out every single time they want to: use the toilet, answer the phone, feed the cat, etc. You can only push the BH vs Jedi game mechanic so far... what next, driving around to the players house and forcing them back onto their computer so they can engage in combat?
Imo people need to step back and realise that players = people, and in a lot of cases these people have things going on around them in real life that means they are not at the keyboard every second they are logged in.
You could argue that Jedi on the terms should "expect" to have to log out every single time they want to: use the toilet, answer the phone, feed the cat, etc. You can only push the BH vs Jedi game mechanic so far... what next, driving around to the players house and forcing them back onto their computer so they can engage in combat?
CaptainWinkii
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:44 am
#9
ah yes. because we have taken a profession then we always have to fight people whatever the situation might be. Im a jedi, i knew the risks, i shouldnt be able to go take a piss in while i sit AFK in my private house, I knew i would be content for other people bla bla bla. For one, get a new arguement. Two, pull your head out of your ass and get some air. The lack of oxygen is affecting the way you think
RingSting_IOM wrote:
I disagre, roleplaying wise, if you have done something that puts you onto th bounty hunter terminals you shouldnt have a second where you arnt worrying about getting attacked. If you let your defenses downa dn go afk for anytime then it should be your loss and not another game players. Dont forget that when became a jedi you also accepted the risks, its not something that you should be able to turn on and off whenevr you feel like it. If you want to play safely you have an alt for that.
DarkStarRa
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:46 am
#10
Well, Like it or not the core content of this game is PVP. I don't really like PVP either, But hey.. That's why I'm not a Jedi.
RingSting_IOM
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:50 am
#11
CaptainWinkii wrote:
ah yes. because we have taken a profession then we always have to fight people whatever the situation might be. Im a jedi, i knew the risks, i shouldnt be able to go take a piss in while i sit AFK in my private house, I knew i would be content for other people bla bla bla. For one, get a new arguement. Two, pull your head out of your ass and get some air. The lack of oxygen is affecting the way you think
RingSting_IOM wrote:
I disagre, roleplaying wise, if you have done something that puts you onto th bounty hunter terminals you shouldnt have a second where you arnt worrying about getting attacked. If you let your defenses downa dn go afk for anytime then it should be your loss and not another game players. Dont forget that when became a jedi you also accepted the risks, its not something that you should be able to turn on and off whenevr you feel like it. If you want to play safely you have an alt for that.
There is no need for a new argument as nobody has produced a good counter one to this one.
Like I said if you go to the loo its a risk you take, just like if you were being hunted irl.
CaixCatab
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:51 am
#12
Achyutathewook wrote:
This is one, but I do not agree with your thinking. You are a correspondant. Not a dev or the sole leader of the BH community. What your job here is to SUPPORT our ideas and issues. You are a liasion to the devs. You are our voices. It isnt up to you what you want to pursue. If you want to have our support, then you need to rethink how you handle things. I know you just started as a correspondant, so I am giving you some advice. Instead of listenting to your own ideas and thinking about how YOU can improve the BH profession, you need to listen to our ideas and do your best to make us happy. That is what a correspondant does. Take a look at all of the other correspondants. They do their best for their profession. That's what you need to focus on.
Is a forced eviction or the likes something the devs are likely to agree with though?
In my mind, directing the discussion away from the realm of "will never happen but you guys want it anyway" and into the realm of "We might get this to happen" and then propagate the second set of ideas, is one of the things a correspondent should be doing.
Why waste time and energy debating over someting the devs will never agree to anyway when we can devote the time and energy to something constructive?
CaptainWinkii
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:59 am
#13
RingSting_IOM wrote:
CaptainWinkii wrote:
ah yes. because we have taken a profession then we always have to fight people whatever the situation might be. Im a jedi, i knew the risks, i shouldnt be able to go take a piss in while i sit AFK in my private house, I knew i would be content for other people bla bla bla. For one, get a new arguement. Two, pull your head out of your ass and get some air. The lack of oxygen is affecting the way you think
RingSting_IOM wrote:
I disagre, roleplaying wise, if you have done something that puts you onto th bounty hunter terminals you shouldnt have a second where you arnt worrying about getting attacked. If you let your defenses downa dn go afk for anytime then it should be your loss and not another game players. Dont forget that when became a jedi you also accepted the risks, its not something that you should be able to turn on and off whenevr you feel like it. If you want to play safely you have an alt for that.
There is no need for a new argument as nobody has produced a good counter one to this one.
Like I said if you go to the loo its a risk you take, just like if you were being hunted irl.
well then
You knew the risks of being a BH. you knew that it cost money to buy droids, foods, weapons, armor, and transportation. You knew that it was going to take time to track a target across multiple planets. You even knew that the jedicould be AFK in a house or doing space missions. Yet you still did the profession.
Like i said, just the risk you take when you are a BH. just as if you were a hunting irl.
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