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Message Edited by DanielDirem on 10-31-2005 09:01 AM

daniel,

I agree with your post and I support your retort. However, more admin than anything, is that last night I happened to see a Jedi with the title "Jedi Master" running around on Mustafar. Just to help with your accuracy in retorting the neanderthal who posted on the BH forums.

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Necriscoth wrote:

daniel,

I agree with your post and I support your retort. However, more admin than anything, is that last night I happened to see a Jedi with the title "Jedi Master" running around on Mustafar. Just to help with your accuracy in retorting the neanderthal who posted on the BH forums.

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DanielDirem wrote:

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90% of you are pathetic and you couldn't do any real pre-cu bh'ing if your lives depended on it, and yes i am a bh and i'm actually really disgusted with the current situation. first off i haven't hunted a jedi in the past 2 months just for the plain fact that it's so easy it's rediculous, so don't be thinking your uber with your ab sliced armor and your sl buff cause you suck plain and simple. remember your hunting padawans as well, even if they have the jedi master title it's only a title atm while frs is down.

secondly being a bounty hunter used to be about using your head ffs not going to mo on dant or a couple instances in the ryatt trail and killing afk grinders, it sometimes takes days not minutes, oh and cry me a cloaker river ever do /follow didn't think so because i bet 50% of you don't even know who your mark is before opening fire, keep in mind that afk grinding has always and always will be in game, squill cave mean anything?? to anyone??

no other class is pampered more than bh's plain and simple because you all act like your still in them, we make the most cash out of any combat class for the simple reason that it should be hard?? but it isn't anymore plain and simple.

now about the whining, bh's by far do more whining than jedi and if you don't agree f-off cause it's a proven fact, if you die take it like a man or woman and don't send hate tells and act like children, you get 250k per mission for a reason and really what's the point in sending a ticket? you don't like that you died so you have to come up with a excuse? tell me when has a bh ever killed a jedi in the movies? boba fett couldn't even kill luke ffs.

i personally think it's time for bh's to have a xp loss, if you die against npc or jedi you lose X amount of xp, either that or take jedi missions for the price on the terminals 50k that's all no bonus, i know that there are veteran bh's out there that agree with me, for all you CHILDREN you disgust me, flame all you want some ppl like bh for the sport not the easy cash and uber loot, remember when you kill a jedi you lose nothing, the role should be equal, especially at this point in time when this game is so broken it's unbelievable

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Above is the letter you wrote to the Bounty Hunter Community and below is me showing you that your wrong.

Your first paragraph states:

90% of you are pathetic and you couldn't do any real pre-cu bh'ing if your lives depended on it, and yes i am a bh and i'm actually really disgusted with the current situation. first off i haven't hunted a jedi in the past 2 months just for the plain fact that it's so easy it's rediculous, so don't be thinking your uber with your ab sliced armor and your sl buff cause you suck plain and simple. remember your hunting padawans as well, even if they have the jedi master title it's only a title atm while frs is down.

The first thing completely wrong with this is your estimation of how many BHs are pathetic.When logging into any server you can enter into a major city and see a ton of BH templateswalking around, I find it hard to believe that 90% of the Bounty Hunters playing this game currently fit into your litte rant here.

Second, Pre-CUBounty Hunting WAS not difficult and here is the number one reason why... GANK SQUADS. For a "vet" you quickly forget the3-5 man death teams assemble to hunt Jedi, any Noob with a few friends could take down a Jedi. So this leads me to believe you havent hunted Jedi since because you can not do it without your friends. My advise to you is not to think your UBER with your 3-5 man death squads and then coming on the Bounty Hunter forums trying to act like you were something special at one point.

Actually pre cu at full temp padawan i killed several 5 man teams, with a mix of melee and ranged bounty hunters

Third, AB slices are not ridiculous, in fact currently they are rather hard to find because the SAP is not dropping as often as it was. This one really isnt a big issue because it was put into the game for a reason, if Jedi can wear PSGs then we can have AB sliced armor, any Jediwith Powers can find a way around this.

Armor break slices are boarderline gamebreaking, its supposed to be a way for melee to deal tons of damage while the opponent is close, as opposed to ranged having roots and snares. a 75% reduction to roots and snares would be equal to what armor break sliced armor is for melee and jedi. Id give up the PSG in a second for armor break sliced armor to be removed simply because the 3 shots the PSG actually block is not to much compared to a constant 75% reduction to armor break effectivness. If anything armor break reduction should come in the form of either a food or a activated skill.

Fourth,this defiently shows that youare notthe "vet" you claim to be... there are no Master titled Jedi the highest title I believe isGuardian becasue after FS was turnedoff all the "master" Jedi were banned because they got that way from exploiting.

There are tons of master title jedi, the original fight clubbers from bria were banned, the later generation did not exploit in order to gain rank.... well atleast the devs didnt consider that type of fightclubbing an exploit.

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secondly being a bounty hunter used to be about using your head ffs not going to mo on dant or a couple instances in the ryatt trail and killing afk grinders, it sometimes takes days not minutes, oh and cry me a cloaker river ever do /follow didn't think so because i bet 50% of you don't even know who your mark is before opening fire, keep in mind that afk grinding has always and always will be in game, squill cave mean anything?? to anyone??

.... I'm really trying not to laugh at how uninformed this paragraph is, so I think its time some informs you.

Not all Jedi are AFK grinders, some do find ways but not all of them and since the no vis in groups cam about alot of them are actively grinding in groups. Being a Bounty Hunter is not about anything except killing your mark, to make it anything else is just glorifying the profession in your own head (which you are allowed to do but should not expect others to do). If they are AFK grinding on the trails, kill them... if they are AFK anywhere outside of a house... Kill them. It is not dishonorable to do so, its doing your job, they should have known better.

Currently with the new system you have 3 days to hunt and kill your Bounty Target, if you can complete it in minutes it is not something to be ashamed of it is a job well done. Before you had a lot longer and could stalk the target, which lead to harassment on the BHs part and thus is why it was removed. Again, this is a mention back to the days when GANK squads were popular and really doesnt show how pre-cu was any better.

... /follow, when a Jedi is cloaked was nerfed a long time ago... try to keep up junior before calling the rest of us morons for not using it. I believe also, there is a bug with the naming system, my tracker rarely tells me who my target it is, which I would say makes it more difficult because I dont have time to search my mind and my ask my informants of the Jedi strength.

Im pretty sure i used /follow on a cloaker yesterday, the other thing, you have to be within 1000m or so in order for the tracker to give you a name.

Squill Caves were nerfed and have been for a while, true people will always find ways to AFK grind but a Bounty Hunter will always catch them and kill them.

Third Paragraph:

no other class is pampered more than bh's plain and simple because you all act like your still in them, we make the most cash out of any combat class for the simple reason that it should be hard?? but it isn't anymore plain and simple.

Do you know why Bounty Hunters are given so much attention? Because we are the counter part to the Jedi movement, every server is being flooded with Jedi and SOE is looking at **edit** going "Crap.. .what do we do?" and Bounty Hunters are their answer. It is the only way to control population and grinding rates of Jedi, we dont get anymore attention then the Jedi do and both profession get a ton of attention because right now they are the two main profession that SOE is looking at... mainly cause of the Jedi Movement.

Bounty hunters were never a counterpart to jedi, even less so after the CU, now a bh death can be made back in about 45 minutes, if bounty hunters were intended to be population control they would have kept the names on the terms, let bhs group up (without using the current exploit) and kept group vis in the game.

We get paid the cash for armor and weapons repair, a good fight can last 15 minutes plus and after that your armor that is not adk'd is nearly destroyed.

1/1 your armor, still works and dont decay anymore, dont stand there and "tank" the jedi, thats why you are RANGED, im going to love it once they make ranged fighters unable to do this. One of the best bountyhunters i know, have completed missions on pre cu full template jedi without getting hit once, thats how you are supposed to do it, not stand there like a chump wearing 8k energy ab sliced recon and spam heals, if you cant see something is wrong about that picture i dont know what to say.

Currently the system is more challenging the pre-cu system for these simple facts:

-You do not know your pay out rate

-You only have 3 days to complete your mission

-A good majority of the time you do not know your marks name, eliminating Alpha Strike because the Jedi will see a blue dot and assume BH.

-There are no Gank Squads.

85% saberblock

Non resisted LS damage (except psg's)

No counter to force run (if i saw gank squads you were fighting on my terms, the second i didnt feel like playing anymore, i hit FR2 and i was gone)

Dervish being a 6x damage multiplier that stunned blinded and put dizzy on you

55% damage reduction at master lightsaber

The ability for jedi to heal supirior to any other class in the game.

Fourth Paragraph:

now about the whining, bh's by far do more whining than jedi and if you don't agree f-off cause it's a proven fact, if you die take it like a man or woman and don't send hate tells and act like children, you get 250k per mission for a reason and really what's the point in sending a ticket? you don't like that you died so you have to come up with a excuse? tell me when has a bh ever killed a jedi in the movies? boba fett couldn't even kill luke ffs.

Funny because this whole letter that you wrote to the Bounty Hunter Community is nothing but whining about how you are/were a better Bounty Hunter.

Need I remind you that in Ep.3 the Jedi Temple and all the Jedi in it were killed by Clone Troopers and Jango Fett kills Coleman Trebor, a Jedi Council Member. On top of just him, Jango becomes a famous Bounty Hunter for thenumber of Jedi he killed in the Mando Wars.

So.... in the case of coleman, who would he focus on? the trained SITH next to him, or the guy in mando, he was watching the wrong guy plain and simple, look what happened when he tried to pull that stuff on Mace Windu just about 5 seconds later he kinda lost his head.

If you look at the scene from ep.3 in the jedi temple, it took between 10 and 20 clone troopers to kill 1 padawan

Last Paragraph:

i personally think it's time for bh's to have a xp loss, if you die against npc or jedi you lose X amount of xp, either that or take jedi missions for the price on the terminals 50k that's all no bonus, i know that there are veteran bh's out there that agree with me, for all you CHILDREN you disgust me, flame all you want some ppl like bh for the sport not the easy cash and uber loot, remember when you kill a jedi you lose nothing, the role should be equal, especially at this point in time when this game is so broken it's unbelievable.

Bounty Hunter xp loss is stupid because Bounty Hunters are already Full Template at the level they are able to hunt Jedi and when Jedi hit Full Template/Jedi Knight (for pre-cu Jedi) xp loss doesnt matter. 50k doesnt cover the damage my helmet takes, so this again is another idea that is ridiculous and should have been kept to yourself.

A bh ranking system could work, similar to the FRS where higher ranked bhs get better loot, improved skills and so on, and lose ranking when they die

I don't think there are true "vets" that would support this because you have said nothing even remotely semi-intelligent, its all personal opinion using 3 month old information.

The XP loss is not an issue and it has a purpose, complaining about it will never get it removed and it is a permanent fixture in the game so deal with it. It is the only means of control and with the grind group today, a Jedi who dies to a BH can make the xp back in less then 30 minutes so its not worth crying over.

The only logicial conclusion I can pull from taking apart your post, is that you are one of the "90%" of BHs that you talk about because you:

-Have shown that you have a lack of knowledge concerning your claimed profession.

-You have called people out about whining yet continued to write a post that was nothing but whining.

-Your statement has shown that your claim to being a vet is nothing more then a claim.

-Lastly, your proposed solution to things are ridiculous and boredline insane.

Please refrain from posting anymore.

Message Edited by DanielDirem on 10-31-200509:01 AM

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Wow... I hadn't seen the orginal letter, but it infuriated me to read it...

The /follow a cloaker thing still works, post pub 24 though. I used it last thursday night against a guildie. Though I think it's still classed as an "exploit", is it not?

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DanielDirem wrote:

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90% of you are pathetic and you couldn't do any real pre-cu bh'ing if your lives depended on it, and yes i am a bh and i'm actually really disgusted with the current situation. first off i haven't hunted a jedi in the past 2 months just for the plain fact that it's so easy it's rediculous, so don't be thinking your uber with your ab sliced armor and your sl buff cause you suck plain and simple. remember your hunting padawans as well, even if they have the jedi master title it's only a title atm while frs is down.

secondly being a bounty hunter used to be about using your head ffs not going to mo on dant or a couple instances in the ryatt trail and killing afk grinders, it sometimes takes days not minutes, oh and cry me a cloaker river ever do /follow didn't think so because i bet 50% of you don't even know who your mark is before opening fire, keep in mind that afk grinding has always and always will be in game, squill cave mean anything?? to anyone??

no other class is pampered more than bh's plain and simple because you all act like your still in them, we make the most cash out of any combat class for the simple reason that it should be hard?? but it isn't anymore plain and simple.

now about the whining, bh's by far do more whining than jedi and if you don't agree f-off cause it's a proven fact, if you die take it like a man or woman and don't send hate tells and act like children, you get 250k per mission for a reason and really what's the point in sending a ticket? you don't like that you died so you have to come up with a excuse? tell me when has a bh ever killed a jedi in the movies? boba fett couldn't even kill luke ffs.

i personally think it's time for bh's to have a xp loss, if you die against npc or jedi you lose X amount of xp, either that or take jedi missions for the price on the terminals 50k that's all no bonus, i know that there are veteran bh's out there that agree with me, for all you CHILDREN you disgust me, flame all you want some ppl like bh for the sport not the easy cash and uber loot, remember when you kill a jedi you lose nothing, the role should be equal, especially at this point in time when this game is so broken it's unbelievable

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Above is the letter you wrote to the Bounty Hunter Community and below is me showing you that your wrong.

Your first paragraph states:

90% of you are pathetic and you couldn't do any real pre-cu bh'ing if your lives depended on it, and yes i am a bh and i'm actually really disgusted with the current situation. first off i haven't hunted a jedi in the past 2 months just for the plain fact that it's so easy it's rediculous, so don't be thinking your uber with your ab sliced armor and your sl buff cause you suck plain and simple. remember your hunting padawans as well, even if they have the jedi master title it's only a title atm while frs is down.

The first thing completely wrong with this is your estimation of how many BHs are pathetic.When logging into any server you can enter into a major city and see a ton of BH templateswalking around, I find it hard to believe that 90% of the Bounty Hunters playing this game currently fit into your litte rant here.

Second, Pre-CUBounty Hunting WAS not difficult and here is the number one reason why... GANK SQUADS. For a "vet" you quickly forget the3-5 man death teams assemble to hunt Jedi, any Noob with a few friends could take down a Jedi. So this leads me to believe you havent hunted Jedi since because you can not do it without your friends. My advise to you is not to think your UBER with your 3-5 man death squads and then coming on the Bounty Hunter forums trying to act like you were something special at one point.

Third, AB slices are not ridiculous, in fact currently they are rather hard to find because the SAP is not dropping as often as it was. This one really isnt a big issue because it was put into the game for a reason, if Jedi can wear PSGs then we can have AB sliced armor, any Jediwith Powers can find a way around this.

Fourth,this defiently shows that youare notthe "vet" you claim to be... there are no Master titled Jedi the highest title I believe isGuardian becasue after FS was turnedoff all the "master" Jedi were banned because they got that way from exploiting.

Nextparagraph:

secondly being a bounty hunter used to be about using your head ffs not going to mo on dant or a couple instances in the ryatt trail and killing afk grinders, it sometimes takes days not minutes, oh and cry me a cloaker river ever do /follow didn't think so because i bet 50% of you don't even know who your mark is before opening fire, keep in mind that afk grinding has always and always will be in game, squill cave mean anything?? to anyone??

.... I'm really trying not to laugh at how uninformed this paragraph is, so I think its time some informs you.

Not all Jedi are AFK grinders, some do find ways but not all of them and since the no vis in groups cam about alot of them are actively grinding in groups. Being a Bounty Hunter is not about anything except killing your mark, to make it anything else is just glorifying the profession in your own head (which you are allowed to do but should not expect others to do). If they are AFK grinding on the trails, kill them... if they are AFK anywhere outside of a house... Kill them. It is not dishonorable to do so, its doing your job, they should have known better.

Currently with the new system you have 3 days to hunt and kill your Bounty Target, if you can complete it in minutes it is not something to be ashamed of it is a job well done. Before you had a lot longer and could stalk the target, which lead to harassment on the BHs part and thus is why it was removed. Again, this is a mention back to the days when GANK squads were popular and really doesnt show how pre-cu was any better.

... /follow, when a Jedi is cloaked was nerfed a long time ago... try to keep up junior before calling the rest of us morons for not using it. I believe also, there is a bug with the naming system, my tracker rarely tells me who my target it is, which I would say makes it more difficult because I dont have time to search my mind and my ask my informants of the Jedi strength.

Squill Caves were nerfed and have been for a while, true people will always find ways to AFK grind but a Bounty Hunter will always catch them and kill them.

Third Paragraph:

no other class is pampered more than bh's plain and simple because you all act like your still in them, we make the most cash out of any combat class for the simple reason that it should be hard?? but it isn't anymore plain and simple.

Do you know why Bounty Hunters are given so much attention? Because we are the counter part to the Jedi movement, every server is being flooded with Jedi and SOE is looking at **edit** going "Crap.. .what do we do?" and Bounty Hunters are their answer. It is the only way to control population and grinding rates of Jedi, we dont get anymore attention then the Jedi do and both profession get a ton of attention because right now they are the two main profession that SOE is looking at... mainly cause of the Jedi Movement.

We get paid the cash for armor and weapons repair, a good fight can last 15 minutes plus and after that your armor that is not adk'd is nearly destroyed.

You need to get Better Armor mine lasts @ 30-40 Jedi missions WAY more than the 8 mill it costs for a Set of armor on my Server , and if you dont have ADK's maybe you shouldnt hunt jedi, after all you are saying OH MY Decay on My armor , well fewl the Decay is from PVP accept it you get to decide when to start it and you dont have to do it.

Currently the system is more challenging the pre-cu system for these simple facts:

-You do not know your pay out rate

-You only have 3 days to complete your mission

-A good majority of the time you do not know your marks name, eliminating Alpha Strike because the Jedi will see a blue dot and assume BH.

-There are no Gank Squads.

Fourth Paragraph:

now about the whining, bh's by far do more whining than jedi and if you don't agree f-off cause it's a proven fact, if you die take it like a man or woman and don't send hate tells and act like children, you get 250k per mission for a reason and really what's the point in sending a ticket? you don't like that you died so you have to come up with a excuse? tell me when has a bh ever killed a jedi in the movies? boba fett couldn't even kill luke ffs.

Funny because this whole letter that you wrote to the Bounty Hunter Community is nothing but whining about how you are/were a better Bounty Hunter.

Need I remind you that in Ep.3 the Jedi Temple and all the Jedi in it were killed by Clone Troopers and Jango Fett kills Coleman Trebor, a Jedi Council Member. On top of just him, Jango becomes a famous Bounty Hunter for thenumber of Jedi he killed in the Mando Wars.

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i personally think it's time for bh's to have a xp loss, if you die against npc or jedi you lose X amount of xp, either that or take jedi missions for the price on the terminals 50k that's all no bonus, i know that there are veteran bh's out there that agree with me, for all you CHILDREN you disgust me, flame all you want some ppl like bh for the sport not the easy cash and uber loot, remember when you kill a jedi you lose nothing, the role should be equal, especially at this point in time when this game is so broken it's unbelievable.

Bounty Hunter xp loss is stupid because Bounty Hunters are already Full Template at the level they are able to hunt Jedi and when Jedi hit Full Template/Jedi Knight (for pre-cu Jedi) xp loss doesnt matter. 50k doesnt cover the damage my helmet takes, so this again is another idea that is ridiculous and should have been kept to yourself.

Once again you complain about the Decay on the Item that makes the BH profession better for us

With a Full Templated Jedi should they Lose XP if its Stupid that a Bh doesnt lose XP ??? Why would you say that what is Good for the BH profession is not good for the BH profession?

I don't think there are true "vets" that would support this because you have said nothing even remotely semi-intelligent, its all personal opinion using 3 month old information.

The XP loss is not an issue and it has a purpose, complaining about it will never get it removed and it is a permanent fixture in the game so deal with it. It is the only means of control and with the grind group today, a Jedi who dies to a BH can make the xp back in less then 30 minutes so its not worth crying over.

Personally I am not sure where you can regrind 450k jedi XP at usually 1k (max) per Kill thats min of 450 kills That would be 1 kill every 3.3 sec , I dont recall any ability to kill a level 80 or higher every 3 sec even with my max pup'd 972 DPS FWG5, so please be aware what you said is just plain Bull*sh*t. usually the Time involved for a Non-AFK jedi will consume @ 2-4 hours minimum to regrind the full template XP lossof 450k remember the XP loss for a Jedi is 2Times the Credits we gain so if we get 225k they lose 450k ect ect. and if you need more on that I think the jedi Forums can better explaine that

The only logicial conclusion I can pull from taking apart your post, is that you are one of the "90%" of BHs that you talk about because you:

-Have shown that you have a lack of knowledge concerning your claimed profession.

-You have called people out about whining yet continued to write a post that was nothing but whining.

-Your statement has shown that your claim to being a vet is nothing more then a claim.

-Lastly, your proposed solution to things are ridiculous and boredline insane.

Please refrain from posting anymore.

Message Edited by DanielDirem on 10-31-200509:01 AM

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DanielDirem wrote:

Currently the system is more challenging the pre-cu system for these simple facts:

-You do not know your pay out rate

-You only have 3 days to complete your mission

-A good majority of the time you do not know your marks name, eliminating Alpha Strike because the Jedi will see a blue dot and assume BH.

-There are no Gank Squads

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Necriscoth wrote:

daniel,

I agree with your post and I support your retort. However, more admin than anything, is that last night I happened to see a Jedi with the title "Jedi Master" running around on Mustafar. Just to help with your accuracy in retorting the neanderthal who posted on the BH forums.

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I forgot to mention that too. There are still those with the "Jedi Master" tags on Bfin too.

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First of all, I'll enter this disclaimer. Comparing pre-CU Bhs to post-CU Bhs is like comparing pre-CU jedi to post-CU Jedi. Apples to oranges. Another thing to consider is the tendency to assume that we are comparing "Ranged" BHs to "Ranged BHs", pre and post CU. Pre-CU, most BHs were NOT ranged, they were melee. Post-CU, it is the other way around.

Let's deal with pre-CU first.

PRE-CU

BH advantages vs. post-CU:

1) BH could hunt Jedi with only INV-III, thusly, enter the breed of Melee Defense Stacking BHs. These Pikeman/TK/Fencers with legendary mind DOT stun batons and LVAs with blue line tics of 1000+ or more, laid waste to everyone, including Full Temp Jedi.

2) BHs could possibly catch a Jedi unbuffed with a HAM of 1k (average).

3) GTEFs were in place and BHs could roll in groups of NON BHs who could ALSO attack the Jedi.

4) When GTEFs were removed, BHs could still roll in groups of fellow BHs to single out a Jedi and "gank" him.

BH Disadvantages vs post-CU:

1) With Jedi 85% saber block, if you were ranged, you were either smart or dead. You simply COULD NOT tank a Jedi. Furthermore, unless you were a medic, you COULD NOT heal... PERIOD. Stims? Use of stims was not determined by combat level, but MEDIC level.

2) Jedi dealt "light saber" damage, so ALL armor (except PSGs) was useless.

3) Jedi could run into private structures DURING the battle.

4) Jedi ALSO rolled in groups. GTEFs, anyone in Jedi group could attack the BH. GTEF removed, fellow Jedi could STILL heal and transfer force to the BH target Jedi, thus keeping him alive indefinately.

5) FRS. Like it or not, there were Jedi Knights, Sentinels, and even Masters who were 5 TIMES stronger than the current FRS disabled padawans that roam the land now.

6) A ranged MBH had pitiful melee defense at +65 vs. the 250+ Ranged BHs have now and there was no "dualist stance". When you got hit, you got hit HARD. Armor meant nothing.

Okay now Post-CU:

BH advantages vs pre-CU:

1) Heals, heals heals. The typical BH has CM in his/her template and can heal faster than a Jedi.

2) Jedi sabers reduced to "energy" damage thereby allowing a BH to have 60+% energy resist armor that can be sliced to reduce armor break by 75%.

3) FRS disabled, thus lowering a Jedi's force pool, and removed accuracy and damage mods otherwise granted.

4) Pearl drops eliminated. Call it what you will, but the one thing that can help a Jedi's weapon be more powerful, is GONE from the game.

5) Jedi saber modified speed is broken. Regardless of what the "examine" says, ALL sabers are operating at BASE speed. This is HUGE in both frequency of attack/damage vs. a BHs ability to heal AND in Modified DPS, which is a meaningless number for Jedi.

6) The BH/Jedi TEF is finally working as intended, thus preventing a Jedi from entering a private structure once the TEF is created. *note: This should have ALWAYS been working properly, I simply point this out because pre-CU it DID NOT WORK.

BH disadvantages vs. Pre-CU:

1) You can no longer catch a Jedi "unbuffed". Health is determine by level.

*sorry, but that is the ONLY disadvantage that I see being a Post-CU BH vs a Pre-CU BH. Don't tell me about names on terminals or not being able to group hunt Jedi. The first is only a minor incovenience and arose because of BH grieving. The second can be done with some patience and ingenuity.

Now, on to a few common misunderstandings present:

A Jedi CANNOT regrind 450k XP in 30 minutes. Even in the best of spin groups, 16 missions of level 80s will typically yield 350k-450k and will take upwards of 2-4 hours. Sure, it's a FAR cry from pre-CU when 450k would take a week, but it's NOT 30 minutes.

BHs are NOT a "counter" to Jedi designed for population control. If they were, BHs could take missions of FS people and have them lose normal XP, thus slowing or even stopping their village grind. There IS NO game mechanic that "prevents" a FS player from becoming a Jedi. If you are FS and grind enough, you'll get your robe, plain and simple. BHs, if anything, slow a Padawan's grind to full template, but s/he's ALREADY a Jedi.

BHs and Jedi are not supposed to be "balanced". Jedi was the ONLY combat profession that has NEVER (to date) recieved a balance pass, post-CU.

Conclusion: One can debate all day about which is/was "easier". The facts are simply this. If you were a Melee BH pre-CU and possessed a Legenedary DOT weapon, it was MUCH easier that ANY BH post-CU. If you were a ranged MBH pre-CU, there is no comparison. Any Ranged BH pre-CU had it 20 times harder than the rolling ranged, healing tanks we have now. BOTH Pre-CU and Post-CU had their share of "uber" BHs players who could lay waste to Jedi at will. The only difference is the support classes the BH had. Pre-CU is was Melee D stacking, post-CU it's healer stacking. At the end of the road, the result was and still is, the same. If you chose the right skills, Jedi can and will be defeated, with regularity.

P.S. One final thought. I have been and always will be a Ranged BH. So with that being said, I'll let you draw your own conclusion to the following. Pre-CU, tracking/stalking and then finding the precise moment in which to strike, it might take me up to three days to kill one Jedi. Now, I can kill three jedi in one day. From my personal experience, the "thinking" is gone. Now it's just DPS/Healing wars.

Message Edited by Darka-ce on 10-31-2005 05:06 PM