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Spookibus wrote:

My template is Paper. I think Rock is balanced. Scissors is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.

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Aint that the DAMN truth man?

Anyhow, I 110% agree with your post.

Message Edited by SomeUser on 07-22-2005 10:43 AM

Possibly the most thought out, well presented posts i've read on the bh forums for sometime. Not just jedi but all professions should realise this, learn to play your template and know what your own strengths and weaknesses are before you shout nerf.

Bart Simpson: Good ole rock! Nothing beats that!
Lisa Simpson: Poor Bart... Always chooses rock.

Bart: Rock!
Lisa: Paper!
Bart: DOH!

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Spookibus wrote:

I normally don't read the Jedi forums, but there are quite a few threads referring to how BH / CM is overpowered and unfair to Jedi.

Let's be honest here. MBH / MCM is FOTM because it can stand up reasonably well against MDef / MLS templates, which happen to be all the rage with Jedi. Most Jedi I know have either MDef or MLS, and many have both. All my recent losses, in fact (except for one death-by-Feral-wookie, with the Jedi de-cloaking for the DB) were to Jedi with both.

As the hunters, it is we who adapt to them. That is, the BH chooses a template based on what he is likely to face. Someone in the woods hunting deer doesn't stomp around listening to Nelly on a boom box while he hunts. A fisherman doesn't put scented candles on his fish hook. The deer hunter becomes invisible to the deer, and the fisherman puts something on the hook that is attractive to the fish. The hunter adapts his tactics based on his prey. Many BH's are choosing CM because it counters popular Jedi templates. If Jedi started going for Master Healer in great numbers, you'd see a lot less MBH / MCM's.

Rather than calling for "Nerf this" or "nerf that," if you're regularly getting your butt handed to you by a certain template, change your template in response.

Here's a line I saw on this forum earlier this week that I thought summed things up nicely:

My template is Paper. I think Rock is balanced. Scissors is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.

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QFE

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Eskie wrote:

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Spookibus wrote:

I normally don't read the Jedi forums, but there are quite a few threads referring to how BH / CM is overpowered and unfair to Jedi.

Let's be honest here. MBH / MCM is FOTM because it can stand up reasonably well against MDef / MLS templates, which happen to be all the rage with Jedi. Most Jedi I know have either MDef or MLS, and many have both. All my recent losses, in fact (except for one death-by-Feral-wookie, with the Jedi de-cloaking for the DB) were to Jedi with both.

As the hunters, it is we who adapt to them. That is, the BH chooses a template based on what he is likely to face. Someone in the woods hunting deer doesn't stomp around listening to Nelly on a boom box while he hunts. A fisherman doesn't put scented candles on his fish hook. The deer hunter becomes invisible to the deer, and the fisherman puts something on the hook that is attractive to the fish. The hunter adapts his tactics based on his prey. Many BH's are choosing CM because it counters popular Jedi templates. If Jedi started going for Master Healer in great numbers, you'd see a lot less MBH / MCM's.

Rather than calling for "Nerf this" or "nerf that," if you're regularly getting your butt handed to you by a certain template, change your template in response.

Here's a line I saw on this forum earlier this week that I thought summed things up nicely:

My template is Paper. I think Rock is balanced. Scissors is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.

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QFE

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So what your saying there eskie, instead of you changing your template to beat a cm/bh, you want either BH or CM nerfed?

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Hasun wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Spookibus wrote:

I normally don't read the Jedi forums, but there are quite a few threads referring to how BH / CM is overpowered and unfair to Jedi.

Let's be honest here. MBH / MCM is FOTM because it can stand up reasonably well against MDef / MLS templates, which happen to be all the rage with Jedi. Most Jedi I know have either MDef or MLS, and many have both. All my recent losses, in fact (except for one death-by-Feral-wookie, with the Jedi de-cloaking for the DB) were to Jedi with both.

As the hunters, it is we who adapt to them. That is, the BH chooses a template based on what he is likely to face. Someone in the woods hunting deer doesn't stomp around listening to Nelly on a boom box while he hunts. A fisherman doesn't put scented candles on his fish hook. The deer hunter becomes invisible to the deer, and the fisherman puts something on the hook that is attractive to the fish. The hunter adapts his tactics based on his prey. Many BH's are choosing CM because it counters popular Jedi templates. If Jedi started going for Master Healer in great numbers, you'd see a lot less MBH / MCM's.

Rather than calling for "Nerf this" or "nerf that," if you're regularly getting your butt handed to you by a certain template, change your template in response.

Here's a line I saw on this forum earlier this week that I thought summed things up nicely:

My template is Paper. I think Rock is balanced. Scissors is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.

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QFE

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So what your saying there eskie, instead of you changing your template to beat a cm/bh, you want either BH or CM nerfed?

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Show me a post where I said I want CM or BH nerfed!

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Hasun wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Spookibus wrote:

I normally don't read the Jedi forums, but there are quite a few threads referring to how BH / CM is overpowered and unfair to Jedi.

Let's be honest here. MBH / MCM is FOTM because it can stand up reasonably well against MDef / MLS templates, which happen to be all the rage with Jedi. Most Jedi I know have either MDef or MLS, and many have both. All my recent losses, in fact (except for one death-by-Feral-wookie, with the Jedi de-cloaking for the DB) were to Jedi with both.

As the hunters, it is we who adapt to them. That is, the BH chooses a template based on what he is likely to face. Someone in the woods hunting deer doesn't stomp around listening to Nelly on a boom box while he hunts. A fisherman doesn't put scented candles on his fish hook. The deer hunter becomes invisible to the deer, and the fisherman puts something on the hook that is attractive to the fish. The hunter adapts his tactics based on his prey. Many BH's are choosing CM because it counters popular Jedi templates. If Jedi started going for Master Healer in great numbers, you'd see a lot less MBH / MCM's.

Rather than calling for "Nerf this" or "nerf that," if you're regularly getting your butt handed to you by a certain template, change your template in response.

Here's a line I saw on this forum earlier this week that I thought summed things up nicely:

My template is Paper. I think Rock is balanced. Scissors is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.

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QFE

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So what your saying there eskie, instead of you changing your template to beat a cm/bh, you want either BH or CM nerfed?

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QFE = Quoted For Emphasis

He is agreeing!

I don't think BH/CM templates are overpower so much as newer jedi have not learned to adapt to a BH/CM's tactics or heals.

I've dueled several BH/CM templates as a MBH/MPistoleer/Smuggler xxx4 as while all of those matches have been close I usually win. The same with the FotM TKA/Swords or Pikeman/Doc melee templates.

I'm probably 50/50 give or take against MLS/MDefender Jedi.

A lot of jedi and Bhs are new to PvP and that is the reason they lose. having not learned what is effective and what is not effect in PvP theor effectiveness in combat of that nature is 0% against someone who knows what they are doing.

Which is why as a BH I never run from a mark regardless of what finished Templates they have. Even when I lose I really win. Because with each loss I learn something new either what i did wrong or my mark did right. the same goes when I win.

You can not learn to PvP by running away or fighting battles you can not lose. Only in combat that truely challenges you will you learn anything relevate to PvP.
Sometimes youhave to lose to win.

Show me a post where I said I want CM or BH nerfed!

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these are the peices you quoted for enthesis

That's how it's hilighted in the Original post lol. Scroll up