Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: We're all a bunch of narcissists eh?
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TheMadCoder
Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:53 pm
#1
Bounty Hunters and Jedi.
I just gotback from a nice break from the boards, and had somewhat of anepiphany. What in the hell is wrong with us?
Jedi and Bounty Hunters are, hands down, the two most powerful professions in the game. Yet, here we are, complaining that one is better than the other, one should be nerfed, one sucks, one should get first strike or run away, etc. There are a total of 46 profession treesin this game, including force sensitive and piloting. We have issues, but damn people, look at all the other people playing this game, too!
Right off the top of my head:
* Craftsman - All craftspeople, with few exceptions, have only limited scematics that actually have a use in the game. Most shops are now empty, or only selling only Jedi/BH equipment,space items, oruberequipment - gone are the days of newbies actually making items and selling/giving them away for usage xp - there's nothing but grind in these professions. The CU made almost all "basic" equipment obsolete. They need a major overhaul.
* Doctors/Medics (not combat medics)- Remember when you'd walk into the medical center in Mos Entha and there would be8 full beds, two people in line, and 3 docs working feverishly to heal your wounds? Remember when you had to rely on others for healing, and not just "you can use stim Ds at CL60?" Now, docs are reduced to buffing machines and just about everyone can heal themselves. If they can't, you can be sure that there will be a Jedi or BH/CM in the group to cover it. Given the way the system works now, people barely accumulate wounds during normal play if they play their cards right. In the past week, I've accrued a total of 130 wounds (100 of which were from a space jettison pre-pub 20.) I can sit and my house while I'm taking a shower or eating breakfast and wear off those 30 wounds (remember, no more space wounds!) These people need a defined and enjoyable role!
* Entertainers/Musicians/Dancers (not image designers)- What the heck did they get in the last patch? ZERO battle fatigue from combat, BUT they get to duel wield dancing swords? The developers must be insane if they think that these professions are fun or interesting outside of the role-playing aspect. Like doctors, these people are quick buff machines. I left out image designers because, I don't know about you, but my alt IM rakes in some heavy cash, and she meets a lot of fun and interesting people in the process as she's not tied to the cantina as much. The entertainer line, as a whole, needs a fixin'.
* Cities - First, the NPC cities. With the exception of the capital cities and Mos Eisley (where the newbies now start,) I can usually count about 5 people in any other city. They're all wastelands. We can't blame this on player cities (more on this in a moment,) when clearly the issue lack of any content in any other cities. WHY go to Mos Entha (my favorite city,) when Bestine or Mos Eisley is where it's always going to be "where it's at?" Now, player cities. We begged and begged at release to have these finally implemented, and now we have huge, towering cities o'er the land! What the heck are they for, other than large guils halls and shopping markets (which USED to take place in the NPC cities, and had more player interaction!) During peak hours when I got home tonight, I shuttled or biked to every player city on the planet of Tatooine and surveyed the cities. In total, I found 11, yes folks, 11 people in ALL player cities in ALL of Tatooine. Every single one was either shopping or in their house.. Yes, I do know that cities occassionaly have events. Cities, both NPC and player, are severaly broken and useless (other than the nice shuttleports.)
Yet, here we are complaining about who is better between the BHs or Jedi, who should be nerfed, and generally slandering each other in the process. Hell, I'm just as guilty as many of you - maybe even moreso! I understand that we all feel that this profession and the Jedi are the "end game" along with the GCW, but bear in mind that there are whole other aspects to this game that are just plain broken, boring, or useless.
I know that no one is going to "lay down their arms" during this heated battle between our two professions just because of this simple thread, but please consider the hate we are all creating in this virtual community. I don't know about you, but I don't tell my neighbor that he's an idiot and should be nerfed because he has a 34 inch TV and mine is only 21. Let's try not to do that here, either.
Why am I posting this here and not in the general forums? Well, because my "main" is a bounty hunter, and I've watched the fire that has burned in everyone's hearts over the past few publishes. My bounty hunter despises Jedi, and my real life counterpart (me) really thinks that Jedi are a little over-powered compared to a full template defender. But please, try to remember that there are two different personas at work here - you in the game world (including these boards,) and you in the real world (ALSO including these boards.) Feel free to link to this thread from another board if you wish - as I won't cross-post.
Please, we need to start thinking about the entire game of SW:G, and not just flaming back and forth between our two "end game" professions. Let's try to be more constructive - myself included.
I'm going to leave it at that.
Eleutherios
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:03 pm
#2
BH isn't an uber or end-game prof, it's just the only Hybrid prof that actually works.
TheMadCoder
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:17 pm
#3
Eleutherios wrote:
BH isn't an uber or end-game prof, it's just the only Hybrid prof that actually works.
Many of us who have been playing for over 2 years now feel that these two professions are the "end game," as once you've mastered combat professions, entertainers, or craftsman, the only thing left to do is explore the world of BH v Jedi. That's what this battle on these boards is about.
Please not - I never said that BH was "uber" or anything close to it. Never used the word or implied it - not once. This thread is about flaming, hatred, and people giving themselves heart attacks, not whether "BH is uber or and end-game prof." I'm not flaming, but do you get the meaning of the thread? It's the exact opposite of this.
Eleutherios
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:25 pm
#4
You never said BH was uber? I must have misinterpreted when you said...
"Jedi and Bounty Hunters are, hands down, the two most powerful professions in the game."
So Bounty Hunter is one of only two most powerful professions in the game (out of 30+) but it's still not considered uber. Alright.
Jedi vs. BH isn't an endgame. It's PvP, basically. It's what you do when you complete your MBH template, so it's an endgame for that, I suppose. But the GCW might as well be considered an endgame.
The only real endgame here is Jedi. While BH is a profession like any other, Jedi is a harder path that inevitably makes you stronger than normal professions (most of the time).
Tasomo
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:28 pm
#5
Eleutherios wrote:
You never said BH was uber? I must have misinterpreted when you said...
"Jedi and Bounty Hunters are, hands down, the two most powerful professions in the game."
So Bounty Hunter is one of only two most powerful professions in the game (out of 30+) but it's still not considered uber. Alright.
Jedi vs. BH isn't an endgame. It's PvP, basically. It's what you do when you complete your MBH template, so it's an endgame for that, I suppose. But the GCW might as well be considered an endgame.
The only real endgame here is Jedi. While BH is a profession like any other, Jedi is a harder path that inevitably makes you stronger than normal professions (most of the time).
You completely missed the purpose of his original post...
briwi
Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:07 pm
#6
True,BH isnt the end game but we ahve it better then any other class cept jedi, if you are trying to argue that as false play commando or ranger or any other elite class.
TheMadCoder
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:08 am
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briwi wrote:
True,BH isnt the end game but we ahve it better then any other class cept jedi, if you are trying to argue that as false play commando or ranger or any other elite class.
But I'm not trying to argure anything of the sort. That's not what the post is about.
Imperial-Zerg
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:18 am
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Not true. On Radiant the baazar is used for the purpose to sell lower level goods for under 20k, for newbies. You can find any lower level weapon on there anyday. Secondly, I am selling crates of 25 of Pixie for 1 cred. I need the xp.
TheMadCoder wrote:
* Craftsman - All craftspeople, with few exceptions, have only limited scematics that actually have a use in the game. Most shops are now empty, or only selling only Jedi/BH equipment,space items, oruberequipment - gone are the days of newbies actually making items and selling/giving them away for usage xp - there's nothing but grind in these professions. The CU made almost all "basic" equipment obsolete. They need a major overhaul.
Glacies
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:32 am
#9
Well, I agree completely with your post. All classes in this game have issues, but it is kind of pathetic that Bounty Hunters and Jedi are the worst forums (as far as complaining goes). They are the two most powerful and whether one is better than the other; there are certainly much larger issues in the game and for other profs.
Griton
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:58 am
#10
Amen to this thread, I was just the other day thinking about how much SWG love BH/Jedi get while others get little or none, an quite frankly its starting it irrate me. With all the professions that need tweaks, buffed, nerfed, balanced, FIXED... We constantly get the attention.
Do you think Smuggler gave a rats a$$ about our terminal changes?
Do you think Rangers cared that cloak was fixed?
I bet you BEs couldn't care less that we have to be MBH now to hunt.
Or the tailors that can't use the BE cloth could just puke all over the lowered cost for sabers.
Why don't zabreks get to use their racial abilities?
Why is loot so fooked up?
This list could go on for pages an pages, the point being,why are 'we' continually given attention, with all these other issues, we actually work (for the most part mind you) there is a TON of other game issues that are actually broke. As a jedi, with a BH alt the last thing I want to be is ignored, I can't imagine how that must feel for the other professions...
TheMadCoder
Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:35 pm
#11
Griton wrote:
Amen to this thread, I was just the other day thinking about how much SWG love BH/Jedi get while others get little or none, an quite frankly its starting it irrate me. With all the professions that need tweaks, buffed, nerfed, balanced, FIXED... We constantly get the attention.
Do you think Smuggler gave a rats a$$ about our terminal changes?
Do you think Rangers cared that cloak was fixed?
I bet you BEs couldn't care less that we have to be MBH now to hunt.
Or the tailors that can't use the BE cloth could just puke all over the lowered cost for sabers.
Why don't zabreks get to use their racial abilities?
Why is loot so fooked up?
This list could go on for pages an pages, the point being,why are 'we' continually given attention, with all these other issues, we actually work (for the most part mind you) there is a TON of other game issues that are actually broke. As a jedi, with a BH alt the last thing I want to be is ignored, I can't imagine how that must feel for the other professions...
Now that we've seen the pub 21 patch notes, it's abundantly clear what the game is all about: Jedi/BH. Most professions I was rooting for weren't even touched.
I am utterly saddened by what this game has become in the past few patches (although, 9 was really where they started making the grand mistakes.) I truly hope the focus turns towards the Galaxy as a whole, and not petty bickering between two professions...
briwi
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:05 pm
#12
Mad,I agree with your post,I thought the other guy was arguing with you and tried to defend what you was saying.What forum do I go t to to see all info on patch 21?
TheMadCoder
Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:09 pm
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