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JoBoFedderish

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:09 am

Its my understanding that:

1) /duel /endduel to see if a BH has a jedi mark is in fact an exploit.

2) This exploit was fixed in a previous pub?

Had a debate with several jedi over this after 8 of them used it on me the other day. So, exploit/no exploit and was it fixed?

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Thassk

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:11 am

#2

exploit? i think it should be classified more as a "trick" in that i dont think players should be punished for it ...

fixed? i dont know myself i still get /duel /enduel things ...

should it be fixed? heck yea .. it sucks

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KammaRocca

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:13 am

#3

I haven't had a duel/end duel for a few days, but just because it doesn't work anymore doesn't mean there aren't people who are still trying it.

Dallow

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:13 am

#4

It is not fixed and I would say it's an exploit as it's using a game mechanicin a unintended way.

From Tanks BH Top Issues post (#1 issue):

Jedi keep spamming /duel, /endduel to determine if a BH has a mission on them. Devs have acknowledged that as an issue.

But trying to convince a jedi that it's an exploit is futile.

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Trigg_Ichosw

Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:27 am

#5

Dallow wrote:

It is not fixed and I would say it's an exploit as it's using a game mechanicin a unintended way.

From Tanks BH Top Issues post (#1 issue):

Jedi keep spamming /duel, /endduel to determine if a BH has a mission on them. Devs have acknowledged that as an issue.

But trying to convince a jedi that it's an exploit is futile.

So would you class those players who use the ruby bliel bug as exploiting - It seems that alot of the BH that i have come across use this trick. IMO that is more of an exploit then the /duel /endduel.

If im not mistaken it wasBounty Hunters who used the duel command on their marks to stop them being able to attack back which caused the current situation with the duel-endduel

Message Edited by Trigg_Ichosw on 08-31-2005 06:29 PM

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JoBoFedderish

Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:27 pm

#6

Being as I have never used an exploit of any sort I find the "some BHs did it so its ok if we do it" as juvenille at best. Im not sure what Ruby Bliel exploit you are refering to so I cant comment on that. But if it can be used by BHs it can be used by any prof including jedi so dont feign inocence there. The fact is the /duel is an exploit as it is not being used as designed, the fact that it hasnt been fixed yet is aggrivating.

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Trigg_Ichosw

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:22 pm

#7

JoBoFedderish wrote:
Being as I have never used an exploit of any sort I find the "some BHs did it so its ok if we do it" as juvenille at best. Im not sure what Ruby Bliel exploit you are refering to so I cant comment on that. But if it can be used by BHs it can be used by any prof including jedi so dont feign inocence there. The fact is the /duel is an exploit as it is not being used as designed, the fact that it hasnt been fixed yet is aggrivating.

Hmm i dont believe i actually put forward that argument. What i suggested was that using a stim, then drinking ruby bliel and then using another stim was imo more of an exploit than the /duel command. Ruby Bliel should work so that it has a 30sec reduction on a stim re-use not an instant re-use as is the case now. I didnt say that this was only restricted to the BH proffession, however did say that BH that have targetted me have used this. Lets face it /duel against a BH doesnt take away the first strike. Any good jedi will have their map up, i know i do, as soon as i see an unknown on the map, i slap on aura, valor and infusion so your first strike isnt going to hit that hard.

As you have never used an exploit then i find that very admirable and if everyone was as honourable as you then there would've been no need for the devs to implement the message that you receive when you attempt to duel someone who can attack you.

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Dallow

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:27 pm

#8

Trigg_Ichosw wrote:

Dallow wrote:

It is not fixed and I would say it's an exploit as it's using a game mechanicin a unintended way.

From Tanks BH Top Issues post (#1 issue):

Jedi keep spamming /duel, /endduel to determine if a BH has a mission on them. Devs have acknowledged that as an issue.

But trying to convince a jedi that it's an exploit is futile.

So would you class those players who use the ruby bliel bug as exploiting - It seems that alot of the BH that i have come across use this trick. IMO that is more of an exploit then the /duel /endduel.

If im not mistaken it wasBounty Hunters who used the duel command on their marks to stop them being able to attack back which caused the current situation with the duel-endduel

Message Edited by Trigg_Ichosw on 08-31-200506:29 PM

That is a valid question. I use ruby bliel so Iwould understand if youcalled me a hypocrite. I don't know if I would classify it as an exploit though. It's suppose to change your stim time from 60 to 30 seconds. It doesn't do this, instead it lets you stim immediately but only once. So, yeah, it's not quite working as intended but it's somewhat close. A person cannot stim/ruby/stim/ruby indefinately as their stomach will fill. For me, I would rather it reduced my stim time to 30 seconds for a certain length of time. This would be more useful for me.

Now, contrast that with /duel. The purpose of /duel is to duel someone, not to take away the 'balancing' factor of first strike forBH.

Forgot to mention, BHs that used /duel were totally exploiting and a disgrace to the profession.

Message Edited by Dallow on 08-31-2005 02:29 PM

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JoBoFedderish

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:30 pm

#9

Jho-Bho honourable! Oh no the world will end! lol....While I may be a tad harsh I do not exploit and find those that do very annoying. I got into SWG to RP in the SWU, not "pwn j00 n00bz0r" as many powergamers do. I find the Chilastra server full of these types. Ive considered going to a new server that is RP freindly but really dont feel like starting all over again. Would love to see more people get into SWG for the RP aspect rather that powergaming. But, your right, if people would quit using exploits and looking for cheats I think the game would lighten up and be more enjoyable for most players.

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HayabusaN

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:34 pm

#10

The truth is that Bounty Hunters brought this upon themselves. There used to be an exploit to go around the tef and make it possible to not let the jedi attack by dueling the jedi. when you attacked after dueling him/her it would allow the game to think its a duel and go around the tef making the jedi unable to attack getting an invalid message. if the jedi dueled you back then it turned into a "duel". The Bounty Hunter could just do /end;/duel and continue making the jedi unable to fight. Well the devs had to hot fix this so they made people who were "attackable" also unduelable so Bounty Hunters couldnt exploit the tef like they used to. So thank the non-respeced bhs because 99% of the respec bhsprobably didnt even know. And besides if I am tanking a lair for a few friends I am going to do /duel;/end because I really dont want to get dbed on an incap if it happens. So thank the pre-CU Bhs and the ones who were non respec prior to itfor this.

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JoBoFedderish

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:43 pm

#11

Well again, your painting with a broad brush, I am a pre-cu MBH who has never used any form of exploit. Even so, you using an exploit by using the excuse "BH did it first" doesnt make it acceptable or remove the fact its an exploit.

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JCross

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:48 pm

#12

Not that I don't appreciate your cause and effect presentation, but using your same logic, if the Dev's fix this exploit in a way that hinders jedi, then a person saying what you just did can say you brough it on yourself. Not really even a valid argument, considering it is an opinion, that the BH's deserve it. Personally, I'm working on a Jedi and a BH, have neither, and it seems to me either side using exploits, or even pointing to others using it is petty. However, the best you can hope is for the devs to fix it, since it is clearly an exploit. In fact, it would even be a good idea to remove 'Has mastered the Bounty Hunter Profession' from the bio list.

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yurylightmist

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:49 pm

#13

not a exploit, its a defensive tactic

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