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zg_tec
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:42 am
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Well... I havent posted here in a long time. I havent had alot of time to play SWG recently, what with whats going on overseas in Iraq. Now then, lets get the obligatory BS out of the way: This topic is meant to breed discussion, not dissent. It is not meant to flame, but to incite thought (as opposed to riot.)
Okay, with that said. Lets tell you a little bit about me for those who dont know? I am a jedi, I am also a Bounty Hunter. Yes, I play both sides. Im not going to comment on which I like more, or what My BH's names are (its not Tec, OR Xire) But, you can all know my Jedi is Xire Eseir on Radiant. Now then, on to the meat of this post!
Personally, I believe that the root of all the problems with jedi being too uber and unstoppable comes from several sources. First, look at the Star Wars movie saga. In it you see of course jedi. Jedi such as Obi-Wan Kenobi, Mace Windu. Yoda, Anakin Skywalker etc. Well, when you watch the movies, what comes to mind first? For most people I would imagine it is these individuals. Paragons of virtue, heroes of the jedi order. And that is EXACTLY why people expect their jedi to be uber. They watch the movies, and they see Anakin Skywalker cut through hordes of battle droids like its nothing! They see Mace Windu lop off Jango's head and expect to be able to do the same to BH. They see Yoda single handedly cause a Sith Lord to retreat in EPII and think they should be able todo the same! What they dont realize is these indviduals are what you would call unique specimens. Individuals whose ability far exceeds the average jedi knight! If you watch EPII and III more closely,you will see 'average' jedi knights cut down in the Geonosian Arena in EPII by withering laserfire which they couldnt block/reflect. And in EPIII of course we see the end of the jedi order, not just because of Darth Vader, but Clone Troopers cut down the majority of the jedi with blasters. So, while jedi are certainly more powerful than a non force-wielder, they are not, and should not be the godlike entities people want them to be. Jedi are not gods, they are not even archwizards in the traditional sense. Jedi in my opinion are more like monks in 3rd Edition D&D. Powerful warriors whose training regimen elevates them above the normal warrior, gives them some mystical powers, but doesnt make them immortal, or a god. Thats not to say that jedi are weak, or easy to defeat. Even a Master Bounty Hunter should have trouble defeating a Jedi Knight, it only makes sense.
Then you have the argument that jedi ARE too strong. You know, your probably right! I have seen 5 bounty hunters at once attack a full template jedi, we EVENTUALLY beat him, but it took almost 1 and a half hours of pounding on him to do it! 5 on 1! I was one of the bhs in that battle, and ya know what? After it was over, we didnt even get our money because he had been triple incapped using master enhancer to get back up and heal before we could deathblow! So yes, jedi are WAY to strong! A jedi knight shouldnt be able to last that long against 5 MBH! A smart jedi knight would retreat and regroup, and maybe even not come back to fight at all! Unless yourone of those 'heroes' of the order, you SHOULDNT be able to do that!
Now, its well and good that everyone wants to be a hero god of war type.But when you bought the game, did it say 'become a god of war hero jedi' or did it say 'Live your own star wars saga'
Well, I know what my box said, and it didnt mention anything about being god-like...
As to why I put this in the bounty hunter forums? Simple, this post mainly supports the non-jedi viewpoint, and exposes some fundamental flaws in the way players of this game think and view jedi!
Post your comments and whatevers in this thread...try and avoid flaming...though if things are still as they were, that probably wont happen!
Jedi_Xan
Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:12 am
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Very interesting read. I agree with you on all counts.
I remember watching Ep III and seeing how many of the jedi were cut down, and one even killed having not even drawn a saber. Jedi should be powerful. They should be highly capable. But they are also very vulnerable as well. How do you implement something like that in the game. It is just not possible.
Shin_Shodei
Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:20 am
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Jedi_Xan wrote:
Very interesting read. I agree with you on all counts.
I remember watching Ep III and seeing how many of the jedi were cut down, and one even killed having not even drawn a saber. Jedi should be powerful. They should be highly capable. But they are also very vulnerable as well. How do you implement something like that in the game. It is just not possible.
The reason the jedi was "cut down" as you so call it, is becouse the clone troopers have no emotions.. so the jedi never sensed the intent to kill from them. Also if you noticed the little kid that killed like 10 clone troopers before dieing? and thats only becouse he warned the senitor and turned his back to the clones. unless your a clone.. i don't think you can hide your intent from us... bounty hunter..
Jedi_Xan
Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:44 am
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Shin_Shodei wrote:
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Very interesting read. I agree with you on all counts.
I remember watching Ep III and seeing how many of the jedi were cut down, and one even killed having not even drawn a saber. Jedi should be powerful. They should be highly capable. But they are also very vulnerable as well. How do you implement something like that in the game. It is just not possible.
The reason the jedi was "cut down" as you so call it, is becouse the clone troopers have no emotions.. so the jedi never sensed the intent to kill from them. Also if you noticed the little kid that killed like 10 clone troopers before dieing? and thats only becouse he warned the senitor and turned his back to the clones. unless your a clone.. i don't think you can hide your intent from us... bounty hunter..
What? Jedi didnt sense intent, they sensed disturbances in the force. This is why Obi and Anni could sense the bug in Amidala's room in Ep II. Those jedi in Ep III were cut down by overwhelmingnumbers of troopers. Overwhelming force is what brought the masters down. That and surprise. I dont think it had anything to do with sensing intent. If sensing intent was the case, then 2/3 of the temple knew about the trooper attacks, and yet, it did not help them that they knew it was coming. The Jedi in the Arena at Ep II knew they were about to fight, but it did not save them.
Where was I at.... oh yea. I said something of the nature of Jedi should be capable, and powerful warriors. But I said they are also so vulnerable as to get gunned down in the back with saber in belt. How do you pull that off in a game. You can't. It can't be done.
zg_tec
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:25 pm
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Im not saying we need to implement clone troopers showing up out of nowhere and executing order 66 on a jedi. The point I was making was for those jedi who think they should be all powerful uber people just like Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, and Yoda, that they should go play a MUD or something. The point of this game is not to be a god, sure you can be a powerful warrior, but the intent of SWG is to live the LIFE of a person from the Star Wars 'universe' if you will. Of course every world has its heroes and villains, some more or less powerful, but the point of SWG is not to replace the SW heroes and villains but to live our own saga! I was simply making the point that there are problems with both sides of the coin, but for better or worse, that is SWG, and if you dont like it,go play MO or WoW or something. No one is SOOO uber that they never get beaten, and no one is SOOO weak that they never win a fight. I am the first to say I LOSE MORE BOUNTYS than I win. Given most of the time I go out the jedi is hiding in a house, or otherwise unable to be found (aka kashykk). And for my jedi(s) (I have more thanone...) people who know me or have fought me can attest that I will at least give the bh a chance to defeat me, instead of hiding inside a house. (Hell, I know fora fact in real life you dont just wait outside the house for the guy to come out, you bash or shoot the door open, and assault the house, but thats just what I do for a living) So yes, there are exploits, yes there are bugs, yes there are people who are immature loser/idiots that really should take an attiude class (I was just interrupted by a phonecall salesman who I told not to call again on account that I am a federal agent which I am, and he started this whole immature 'so, are you the men in black' bulldrek and I finnaly just had to hang up on the idiot and call the bureau to have his number traced and blocked...) but why cant we just get along? Jedi are GOING to be more powerful than the 'lower class' on a 1-1 basis for the most part, but even the most powerful warriors fall to being outgunned, outnumbered, even if not outclassed. That was why i mentioned the 5-1 thing, because in SWG terms that is outnumbered and outgunned...
_Crash_
Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:31 am
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That jedi was probably a master defender with some healer and this will not happen after pub 19.
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