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ThargarOtherland

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:40 am

Did a few BH missions the other day. I honestly dont mess with them all that much and for the simple reason that it just doesnt feel like hunting to me. I either have really bad luck and pull only veteran players that know how to identify BH from experience or i am really doing something wrong.

Now i am not complaining because i get bet by Jedi in the fights, heck i dont PVP very much so they should have the advantage over me. That is not the problem that i see.

My problem is that half the time the jedis already know that i am there to hunt them before i even get near them. Almost everyone that i hunted the other day did a /duel check on me before i even got within visual range of them on the map. How is that hunting a Bounty.

Please dont start with the your a NOOB respec crap ( i grinded it out one mark at a time) and i bet you are wearing BH armor with you BH tag up and shuttling into there town stuff. I do none of that, in fact i try to be so sneeky that i take forever to get to my mark. If the mark gets away because i took to long, NP, i will come back or just get another one.

Here is my normal pattern of events, I hope that i dont jump into the same star port, but cant really control that. OnceI establish what area the jedi is in, i shuttle to the nearest town or just bike it to within 1000m, then do an identify target. I then close to within 550m, trying to stay outside the 512m radar range and wait to see if my target is moving. If so, i wait to see if i can tell where the target is heading, be it a POI or something like that, i attempt to get there first and set up an ambush. If it appears that the target is in a house or structure in a city, and there arent very many vendors in the city, then i will run through the town as fast as i can with the map up to get a layout and continue out of town without stopping to appear as a normal player just passing through. If vendors, then i will sometime still run through town, or stop at the furthest vendor from the Jedi that I can find. Hopefully by doing this, i can get a good idea of where the shuttle port is, the potienial least traveled areas, and the jedis house or structure. I then get out about 400m and look for a few mobs to fight to make it appear that i am there to hunt mobs and nothing more. Once they are killed, instanltly go prone and cover, and start crawling (i have a few rifle crawl AAs so i can move at a reasonable pace). I then attempt to position myself where i can hit the jedi the minute he or she exits the house or while on the way to the shuttle port. If the jedi is in a starport or other crowded area and not in a player city, np, I just get into a crowd of people and try to make myself look like part of the crowd. When the time comes to strike, I hit them and start hitting the foods to buff.

Now i dont know how other people do it, but that is the best way i can think to be able to catch my marks off guard. It has worked a few time, and i have been told "good job, i didnt even know you where there", but that is very few and far between.

So my question, Where did the hunt go? It appears that Jedi can find out that we are hunting them to easy. The system either needs to be changed to make is so that Jedi either cant /duel check or cant see you on the radar. Yes, the Jedi's friends can see you and worn the Jedi, but to me that seems alright, becuase that would likely happen in a real Bounty Hunt situation, but a jedi shouldnt be able to determine you are there for them until you strike.How is it is a hunt if the target knows you are after him before you even get near.

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Chaind2f8

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:59 am

#2

The hunt has been dead for a rather long time in my opinion. Nowadays I get duel requests everytime I shuttle into a starport or shuttleport. Anytime I go into a Player City I get the "You've been spotted" and"Are you here for me?" tells. It's really quite frustrating as I rarely even hunt Jedi anymore and I can't go anywhere without being accused of attempting to hunt someone's Jedi.

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Don_T_Shoot

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:09 am

#3

Even without the /duel crap you will be spotted. Any smart jedi considers your dot to be a BH dot until proven otherwise.

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dentorious

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:16 am

#4

supprisingly, I hardly ever recieve duel request any more. Either I'm considered a joke by the jedi community, or I just don't look like a BH. I have however been mistaken for an NPC once or twice while in my rebel armorat the RRO.

I actually follow the same strategy as you, but I'm usualy pretty successful at it.

most of the time when I engage the target I get "where the he11 did you come from?", or my personal favorite "sh1t!!!"

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bmill

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:35 am

#5

I'm noticing less on the /duel requests also. But only in the last week. Then again, I rarely wear armor in public, or have weapons equipped. I typically run around in all black, with a cloak on. I attempt to blend in as much as I can. I have no title up, Just usually my faction rank, name, and guild. I have enough masters that I *could* be any of them, or none of them.

People often take me for a Jedi because of my PvP rating, and the fact that I have many diverse masters including melee, ranged, medical, etc.

As far as hunting goes though.... I try to out think them. I try to use what would likely work on me. I've had good success by NOT looking like a bounty hunter. Being a rifleman, I can /cover and crawl from 250m out, but usually the mark will finish off the lair and move to another location before I get into range, so my /cover tactic usually consists of laying in wait in a well traveled area for them to drive by. I've picked off at least 25-30 AV-21s this way over the past few months.... high price to pay for stupidity. One /concealshot will take out a vehicle regardless of it's craftsmanship, and the Jedi won't know where the shot came from. On most occasions, they thought it was a mob that they drove past and will pull a second ride out. So I take that out too. Then they get REALLY confused/aggravated.

So with the "not looking likea BH" thing.... Just the other night, I was on mission, pulled up to the Jedi's location and actually knew one of the people there. She knew I was a BH, but not seeing me in my armor, nor buffed/fooded up I assumed I put her at ease. If the Jedi knew what was about to happen, he didn't let on. I made small talk for a minute or so, and then turned around unbuffed, unarmored and one-hit flat backed my mark. I walked up to DB him, and he sprung up and KD'd me. All I could do was pop foods and hope for the best. I eventually triple incapped him, but it was difficult without armor on.

But.... that's my main tactic. I try to engineer situations where I can have the upper hand. If that won't work, I try overtly walking right up and seeing if I can befriend the group to either join in, or at least have the mark let his guard down. Plus it's more satisfying personally when I am able to out-think the opponent that just merely overpower them.

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furrycat

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:35 pm

#6

The /duel fiasco neatly summarises everything that's wrong with development of this game. SOE are good at identifying problems. They are good at designing solutions. And they are shockingly bad at choosing which solution(s) to apply and considering what implications they might have.

They spotted the bug where a BH could /duel a Jedi then attack immediately and the mark would be unable to fight back until and unless he accepted the challenge, even though he should have been able to fight when the BH TEF was applied. They realised that disallowing the duel would work around the bug. Not solve it, mind; work around it. They realised that a system message would keep honest players informed as to why their duel couldn't proceed. And they completely failed to take into account the fact that system messages would give away information that marks didn't and should not have available to them.

So Jedi spam /duel at BHs in an attempt to play the system and the hunter loses his surprise advantage and gets a screen full of spam into the bargain. A better system - if actually fixing the bug is unfeasible - would have been to show the usual "You challenge BH to a duel" message to the Jedi while sending nothing at all to the BH.

But no that's not how bugs in this game are addressed and so months and months after the change was implemented (and months and months minus thirty seconds after someone figured out how to abuse it) we still have the same easily-avoidable trouble.

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:35 pm

#7

Don_T_Shoot wrote:
Even without the /duel crap you will be spotted. Any smart jedi considers your dot to be a BH dot until proven otherwise.

Bingo. Gimps use /duel. Paranoids figure everyone is a BH.

Now me, I'm paranoid, but I'd rather be paranoid than gimp.

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ThargarOtherland

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:56 pm

#8

How long would that jedi sit and watch that blue dot if he or she didnt already know that the dot was a BH with his or her mission. I doubt even seasoned smart jedis would constantly watch it once they get used to seeing it. The Hunt used to allow me to just sit there and wait for a while until the jedi got used to seeing me, or allowed me to pull missions from the explorer terms outside of the city hall so that the jedi got used to seeing me and stopped considering me a treat. Or i could just wait until a bunch of blue dots came into town so the jedi was busy watching them all and then attack.

Now the jedi doesnt even have to wonder anymore, they already know which dot to watch.

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