Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Pub 20 Changes: A few things to consider.
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ElvisTheKing
Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:15 pm
#1
Just a list of random thoughts about pub 20.
1) No names is a problem for sure, but now all of the alts of these jedi will not be able to hold missions. I assume that this is also a part of FRS, when it comes back. So the no names thing seems to be a nerf for more than just the "gank squads." Problem is that we can not group for jedi missions.
2) Bounty Hunter terminals in player cities will now be totally useless. They were pretty much useless before for anything other than jedi because there were no spynet ops. Now they will be totally useless.
3) The moving of player missions (their words not mine) to MBH is a significant change. It basically makes melee BH and jedi-hybrid BHs unplayable. So pre-CU, pre-BH-fix, you needed all of scout, and all of marksman plus INV3. Now you need the ranged tree, the scout tree and all of BH. So now you need 121 Skillpoints to hunt jedi, where are before, you needed 172. Post-BH-fix and pre-20, you needed 76. (someone please check my math cause its late and I am tired). This is a major, major nerf. There is no other way to describe it. To hunt jedi, you must use 45 more skillpoints in pub 20 than before.
4) You can be fairly sure that jedi will start to log in and out at some interval to avoid being on the terms. They have done it before and there is no reason to assume that they won't do it again.
5) There will be no way what-so-ever to hunt jedi on Kashyyyk. No intel, no spies, no /who, nothing other than 2 shots of pawaran and a run down to the wookiees on the webweaver trail. Multiply times 6 for all of the instances. You might get lucky and get your mark on 1 or 2, but the aveage will be 3 instances searched and then, they can use the LOS bug to avoid combat. The myyrdil (sp?) caverns have even more instances, but you might get lucky there by tabbing over the marks.
6) Bomb droids will be come all but useless without the name of the mark. With the delays in taking out the droids, the clunky interface and the fact that you can't pre-program a droid with a jedi's name on it is a blow to our profession and to droid engineers.
There are some good things in pub20, so I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
1) visability changes are good for jedi. They should not get vis from groups.
2) missions dropping after 3 days is good, it stops alts from holding missions.
3) no names on the terminals is good, but its bad that the BH does not get the name at some point.
4) mobile home tef working properly is good.
So this is the stuff that should be kept, the rest of the changes need to be tossed out IMO.
Message Edited by ElvisTheKing on 07-10-2005 11:17 PM
ShaikeRamjet
Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:24 pm
#2
I agree with everything except #3. I see this as a fix, not a nerf. Jedi/MRifles hybrids are harder to fight than a full-temp Jedi. Also, there has been an arguement about what a BH is considering the ability to hunt Jedi since before the CU in regards to those who just pick up the Investigation tree, well, I guess this move by SOE settles that arguement.
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Just a list of random thoughts about pub 20.
1) No names is a problem for sure, but now all of the alts of these jedi will not be able to hold missions. I assume that this is also a part of FRS, when it comes back. So the no names thing seems to be a nerf for more than just the "gank squads." Problem is that we can not group for jedi missions.
2) Bounty Hunter terminals in player cities will now be totally useless. They were pretty much useless before for anything other than jedi because there were no spynet ops. Now they will be totally useless.
3) The moving of player missions (their words not mine) to MBH is a significant change. It basically makes melee BH and jedi-hybrid BHs unplayable. So pre-CU, pre-BH-fix, you needed all of scout, and all of marksman plus INV3. Now you need the ranged tree, the scout tree and all of BH. So now you need 121 Skillpoints to hunt jedi, where are before, you needed 172. Post-BH-fix and pre-20, you needed 76. (someone please check my math cause its late and I am tired). This is a major, major nerf. There is no other way to describe it. To hunt jedi, you must use 45 more skillpoints in pub 20 than before.
4) You can be fairly sure that jedi will start to log in and out at some interval to avoid being on the terms. They have done it before and there is no reason to assume that they won't do it again.
5) There will be no way what-so-ever to hunt jedi on Kashyyyk. No intel, no spies, no /who, nothing other than 2 shots of pawaran and a run down to the wookiees on the webweaver trail. Multiply times 6 for all of the instances. You might get lucky and get your mark on 1 or 2, but the aveage will be 3 instances searched and then, they can use the LOS bug to avoid combat. The myyrdil (sp?) caverns have even more instances, but you might get lucky there by tabbing over the marks.
6) Bomb droids will be come all but useless without the name of the mark. With the delays in taking out the droids, the clunky interface and the fact that you can't pre-program a droid with a jedi's name on it is a blow to our profession and to droid engineers.
There are some good things in pub20, so I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
1) visability changes are good for jedi. They should not get vis from groups.
2) missions dropping after 3 days is good, it stops alts from holding missions.
3) no names on the terminals is good, but its bad that the BH does not get the name at some point.
4) mobile home tef working properly is good.
So this is the stuff that should be kept, the rest of the changes need to be tossed out IMO.
Message Edited by ElvisTheKing on 07-10-2005 11:17 PM
novafluxx
Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:34 pm
#6
So how are we supposed to do this so-called-group-greifing (Get 5 BHs all (WORKING) togetheron one Jedi) thing that we ALL apparently do EVERYTIME we hunt a Jedi?
I guess I can't play with my BH friends anymore...some MMO this is turning into.
I guess I can't play with my BH friends anymore...some MMO this is turning into.
twilight2020
Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38 pm
#7
I have never had five after me but i have had two come after me on a regualr basis and iam no where near full temp lol but hey i knew it would happen when i picked up my saber.
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