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I agree with many points made, the main game breking element however was when they told everyone how to get jedi then gave out holocrons at christmass like they were going out of fashion. Then they comitted sebuku by removing perma death and even removed the BH ability to hunt jedi for a while (they said it was a bug, but do you believe them?).

It seems they wanted more jedi and quick as it would help sell SWG, which I'm sure it did. I think adding futher elite classes might be done in order to add to the grindathon that is SWG, because when the grinding's over there isn't much left to do. I became a BH because I didn't want to grind and wanted PvP, but realised how pointless it was as no matter how many times you kill a jedi he/she can avoid the terminals and grind up to knight.

Over a year ago I was one of the few saying "just fix the bugs first, then worry about content and the CB/CR/CU". Also the amount of patching involved with this game is just ridiculous, they obviously can't have time to properly debate what to change or how and then test it so what happens up there? BH started out the most fun prof in a great game, it's now (for me) a pointless boring excercise in chasing 12 year olds around in a bugged and rubbish game.

If those devs had just stopped and done nothing over a year ago I might still be playing SWG, but as was said by another player many galactic cycles ago " SOE treats thier customers like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on ****." After patch 10 this game was a lost cause

Not quite sure you can blame them for immature players though

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Fatymia wrote:

i have been a GM for 21 years, i have developed roleplaying content for TSR and other company's, the game mechanincs of SWG are seriously flawed,and it is obvious that these Dev's dont know Roleplaying. here is the worst parts about this game.

drawbacks

- xp loss for prestige class - JEDI - this concept is all wrong,instead of that is should be very difficult to get jedi.

- player versus player -while a ok concept there are to many template varients where the person fighting you can make it to where u cannot attack back.

- CombatMedic/BH template is a example of this. Paralayze can be stacked to where they can kill you,without you even attacking once.

- since this is a mmorpg lets look at customer service - we all know its almost non exsistent.

- 2 unbalanced factions

- broken and bugged combat system. which affect alot of the above.

- immature players.

- unbalanced classes -ranged now outbalances melee, healing classes are horrible and not as affective. jedi,

combat medic,medic and doctor - mind cost on all are tooo much and should be reduced,if we dont have healers,we are

all getting the shaft.

- SOE advertises PVP by choice - GM lying about ground rules is a classic game breaker.

- SOE advertises Become a jedi, but they dont tell people its THIER version ,not the version everyone else knows.

- SWG good concept,but horrible development GM team,cause instead of adding content or improving the game,they keep

downgrading classes.creating game altering bugs.now i do not want monty hall,but this game should be enjoyable for all proffessions.

- allowing other players to have a unsupervised content on another class/playerbase, very poor concept, and GM know's this doesn't work and eventually leads to a complete game break.

- not listening to player discussions - this alone will cause a greater dissatisfied player base. dont listen to one class listen to the entire player body.

- it takes good character to be a good GM, must understand the "base game rules" before undergoing any RPG,and SOE ignores 70% of them.

-only 1 prestige class,this creates hatred for the prestige class,every "base proffession should have a prestige class:".

Good points

-Visual's - great graphics

-character's - Completely customizable

-Player community structure - alot of great mature players(majority)

-multiple content - large selection of planets (could be more) but not complaining.

-Class selection

-equipment selection

possible fixes -

-more prestige classes - gladiator -brawler

- military expert - marksman

- biotechnologist - medic

- inventor - artisan

- model/superstar - entertainer

- Survivalist - Scout

this would allow for a higher level of enjoyment for all.

but as we know the Dev' dont listen ,but heh its worth a try.

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I agree 100%.

The Biggest problem in the game is Jedi. It's not the fact that they exist or the fact that they are more powerful. It's the fact that Jedi are 1) the end game and 2) once you reach Jedi, all there is to do is kill other players. The problem is they introduced a god-class that has nothing to do.

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Fatymia wrote:

i have been a GM for 21 years, i have developed roleplaying content for TSR and other company's, the game mechanincs of SWG are seriously flawed,and it is obvious that these Dev's dont know Roleplaying. here is the worst parts about this game.

drawbacks

- xp loss for prestige class -JEDI - this concept is all wrong,instead of that is should be very difficult to get jedi.

- player versus player -while a ok concept there are to many template varients where the person fighting you can make it to where u cannot attack back.

- CombatMedic/BH template is a example of this. Paralayze can be stacked to where they can kill you,without you even attacking once.

- since this is a mmorpg lets look at customer service - we all know its almost non exsistent.

- 2 unbalanced factions

- broken and bugged combat system. which affect alot of the above.

- immature players.

- unbalanced classes -ranged now outbalances melee, healing classes are horrible and not as affective. jedi,

combat medic,medic and doctor - mind cost on all are tooo much and should be reduced,if we dont have healers,we are

all getting the shaft.

- SOE advertises PVP by choice- GM lying about ground rules is a classic game breaker.

- SOE advertises Become a jedi, but they dont tell people its THIER version ,not the version everyone else knows.

- SWG good concept,but horrible development GM team,cause instead of adding content or improving the game,they keep

downgrading classes.creating game altering bugs.now i do not want monty hall,but this game should be enjoyable for all proffessions.

- allowing other players to have a unsupervised content on another class/playerbase, very poor concept, and GM know's this doesn't work and eventually leads to a complete game break.

- not listening to player discussions - this alone will cause a greater dissatisfied player base. dont listen to one class listen to the entire player body.

- it takes good character to be a good GM, must understand the "base game rules" before undergoing any RPG,and SOE ignores 70% of them.

-only 1 prestige class,this creates hatred for the prestige class,every "base proffession should have a prestige class:".

Good points

-Visual's - great graphics

-character's - Completely customizable

-Player community structure - alot of great mature players(majority)

-multiple content - large selection of planets (could be more) but not complaining.

-Class selection

-equipment selection

possible fixes -

-more prestige classes - gladiator -brawler

- military expert - marksman

- biotechnologist - medic

- inventor - artisan

- model/superstar - entertainer

- Survivalist - Scout

this would allow for a higher level of enjoyment for all.

but as we know the Dev' dont listen ,but heh its worth a try.

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OMG!!! Once I had seen the reference to "Monty Hall" I knew this guy knows his biz!

I have not been forced to endure a "Monty Hall" approach of gaming in so long that I had almost forgotten the term.

You have some extremely valid points. The problem is you're correct. The DEVs do not care about the community as much as they should be. They need to step away from numbers being forced fed by the marketing team and learn what's truely important to develop a game. If the correct investment was placed into this game they would yield a greater return other then the attraction of players solely becoming a Jedi.

Message Edited by DarthSillyPants on 07-05-2005 06:25 PM

Message Edited by DarthSillyPants on 07-05-2005 06:26 PM

Kevin Kereth
Demolisher of Sandcastles

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Fatymia wrote:

i have been a GM for 21 years, i have developed roleplaying content for TSR and other company's, the game mechanincs of SWG are seriously flawed,and it is obvious that these Dev's dont know Roleplaying. here is the worst parts about this game.

drawbacks

- xp loss for prestige class -JEDI - this concept is all wrong,instead of that is should be very difficult to get jedi.

- player versus player -while a ok concept there are to many template varients where the person fighting you can make it to where u cannot attack back.

- CombatMedic/BH template is a example of this. Paralayze can be stacked to where they can kill you,without you even attacking once.

- since this is a mmorpg lets look at customer service - we all know its almost non exsistent.

- 2 unbalanced factions

- broken and bugged combat system. which affect alot of the above.

- immature players.

- unbalanced classes -ranged now outbalances melee, healing classes are horrible and not as affective. jedi,

combat medic,medic and doctor - mind cost on all are tooo much and should be reduced,if we dont have healers,we are

all getting the shaft.

- SOE advertises PVP by choice- GM lying about ground rules is a classic game breaker.

- SOE advertises Become a jedi, but they dont tell people its THIER version ,not the version everyone else knows.

- SWG good concept,but horrible development GM team,cause instead of adding content or improving the game,they keep

downgrading classes.creating game altering bugs.now i do not want monty hall,but this game should be enjoyable for all proffessions.

- allowing other players to have a unsupervised content on another class/playerbase, very poor concept, and GM know's this doesn't work and eventually leads to a complete game break.

- not listening to player discussions - this alone will cause a greater dissatisfied player base. dont listen to one class listen to the entire player body.

- it takes good character to be a good GM, must understand the "base game rules" before undergoing any RPG,and SOE ignores 70% of them.

-only 1 prestige class,this creates hatred for the prestige class,every "base proffession should have a prestige class:".

Good points

-Visual's - great graphics

-character's - Completely customizable

-Player community structure - alot of great mature players(majority)

-multiple content - large selection of planets (could be more) but not complaining.

-Class selection

-equipment selection

possible fixes -

-more prestige classes - gladiator -brawler

- military expert - marksman

- biotechnologist - medic

- inventor - artisan

- model/superstar - entertainer

- Survivalist - Scout

this would allow for a higher level of enjoyment for all.

but as we know the Dev' dont listen ,but heh its worth a try.

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So your advocating your ideas based off of your extensive experience writing for a Tabletop RPG that has been badly broken since the late 70s, gone through 2 revisions now and is still a horrible game system?

To take your first point: There must be a penalty for death in every system. THe best example I can think of was when there was no decay for death in SWG and people were using it to teleport around the planet, this was bad and was stopped. Now most tabletop RPGs use permadeath as thier penalty (Paranoia, Kult and a few others having different systems). Now this was suggested for Jedi, I even discussed it with one of the Beta testers and we both loved the idea of having a blue glowie. Alas we are in the minority, so SOE decided on XP loss for Jedi and Decay for non-Jedi. It's not perfect, it means Jedi have to be a lot more careful than regular players, but that is a decent gate I think. In addition to make decay apply for Jedi would be a bad idea, they would be faced with buying a new lightsaber after between 80-100 deaths, they would revolt at the idea.

As to whether the number of XP lost is too high, I don't know, SOE won't give me access to thier DBs to mine out the data.

I'll jump to your point about ranged >melee. Pre-CU the opposite was the case, which was worse. Ask the French about the Battle of Hastings, ask the Aztecs about the Conquistadors. Range does trump melee, alway has always will. The only people who should be relying on Melee should be Jedi with thier missle deflection abilities.

More "Prestige" classes won't make this game better, fixing the bugs is what is needed, and more content. The really unfortunate thing is that it has probably take SOE too long to get to this point and it has been overshadowed by games that were less ambitious in design but better in what they did.