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Thread: To Bounty Hunters from a Jedi

paintingfreak
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:04 am
#1

The purpose of this post is to see what the Bounty Hunters think of my current situation. Ive seen several BH's in the jedi forums and by that point they are allready pissed off because a Jedi has used some sort of exploit in game to avoid being killed, and thats really no time to start a conversation.


Lets drop factions, lets dropJedi vrs Bounty Hunter, lets drop all the Drama on BOTH sides and just talk.


I would like you to know how i feel as a Jedi, and then would like to know how you feel asa Bounty Hunter. Iam starting to think both BH's and Jedi are getting screwed equally in this game.


Ive been playing since day 1. Ever since the first day i logged in i wanted to be a Jedi. My first profession was actually BH/ Pistoleer, but i ended up dropping BH cus they were getting screwed out of every update. After the 4th or 5th month i picked up Tkm/ Swords. A combination i loved and enjoyed playing. I got force sensative and started grinding the village. I spent many hours grinding, doing missons on dath and etc.Busted my butt to become Jedi. On May 1st (o5)i completed the village and started my padiwan trials.I was so excited!!!!Finished my Padi trials got my robe and made my light saber.

I do believe that since iam a Jedi , i should act like one, and only performed Jedi actions while i was grouped hunting. I worked my way up to two boxes in Jedi, and my first BH came. I was her fisrst Jedi hunt and she was my first BH. Of course knowing i would get pawnd i ran into my house.While i was in my house i sat at the front door and just talked to her.She was a really nice person and offered to leave if i payed her bounty.I told her i wouldnt do that, mainly because if i paid her i would have to payevery Bounty Hunter out there and then i would be broke.We talked some more and eventually some guild members came to stick up for me.I informed them she was only doing her job and not to harrass her and they left.Eventually one of my good friends from the guild paid my Bounty to her. She told me she was really impressed with my Guild because we were so close and all seemed to help one another out.She promised not to hunt me for a week and started to leave.When she was leaving i tipped her a extra 38k (my Bounty price) simply because she was my first BH, and seemed to be a dedicated player like myself. Plus i felt bad that both are playing experiances had been ruined

Since that time, i have had 10-20 BH's come after me.Some in groups of 5 and some alone.I mabye have gotten 200000 experiance points since then , just hunting on Dantooine.Alls i want to do is to be able to go out and play my charecter and enjoy all my hard work, but cant. It is really upsetting. Everyone tells me just to go Kashyyyk and hunt but i know if i do , i feel as if iam useing an exploit , and iam also hurting someonelse gameing experiance. So what do i do? I want to be a Jedi , I wouldnt mind havin a BH come after me here or there, but when i cant even stand outside my house and just talk to guild members, its pretty upsetting.

I even hate running into my house when a BH comes after me, but do it cus i know i will be killed.Its not fun, and iam sure its not fun for you guys either when this happens.


I guess my biggest question is, since SOE wont do it mabye its time us players get togther and try to come up with a system of are own, So both Bh and Jedi are happy.


I just want Bh 's to see what its like through my eyes, and would like to see through yours, so i can know both sides of the equation.I tihnk Jedi is a really cool profession and help many players in the game develope there charecters into Jedi's or other professions, but cant even do that anymore. Iam sur emost of the replies i will get will be well then drop Jedi, but my Jedi charecter means a lot to me.


How do you guys feel about the current system?

DO you feel like its fair for Jedi to be shafted so much, by loosin xp when killed?

How do you feel about Jedi running into there houses?

WHat do you think about Jedi grinding on Kashyyyk?

Do you think its fair for a Bh to have his or her game play experiance ruined because us Jedi are so afraid of loosing xp?

How do you feel about groups hunting one Jedi?

Do you think Jedi's and BH's could some how setup a system between themselves to make this game a little more fun so both arnt getting screwed?


Thank you for your time



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FettandhisVett
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:21 am
#2

I recommend soloing till u get high enough to put up a good fight, then group. This way u wont get on terminals and can hunt in peace.


If you realy are very low level, then its pretty lame for a 5 man group to go after you.


The exp loss is needed to slow down jedi progression, if its removed, expect a much longer grind to knight due to exp reqirements being increased.


I'd prefer a 1v1 system for jedi under say 120k bounty


House hiding is semi ok with me, if a jedi is in their city and crafting or shopping or something, then let em hide, but theseprota-houses jedi put up near every lair they go to have to go.


Kysh needs to be made into a no exp planet, can leave all the LoS exploits and other crap in, just make kysh useless for exp grinding.


I kinda like my own idea for timered removal from terminals if a jedi beats a BH thats going afterhim, so there's a good reason for jedi to not run away from a BH. Then they can go dance with their lightsabres out infront of BH terminal if they want to.
Meebiwan
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:31 am
#3


You have to understand the politics of SOE!.


SOE do not want, and have stated this as a fact, too many Jedi in each galaxy. Nor will they want too many BH's.


Therefore, they from time to time will reduce the effectiveness of each or both professions to try and create a balance within the system.


Yes, there are glitches.


Kashyyyk was provided as an adventure planet, safe for Jedi and others to grind without the fear of being hunted. It is no exploit.


There are becoming too many Jedi, in the eyes of SOE, therefore they can do one of two things. 1) Make the path harder or 2) reduce the capabilities of the Jedi.


The 2nd being favoured by SOe as this allows more players to trial Jedi.


Once numbers fall, BH will get nerfed to try and counteract what is happening.


There are a few problems.


1) It isn't 1 on 1, and more than 1 BH can pick up the bounty. This should be rectified.


2) The Jedi can hide in their portable houses. This should also be rectified.


I am sure that SOE are fully aware of the issues.


Nobody likes to spoil an other persons fun and enjoyment of the game. But until, SOE sort these issues out, you will have to rely on the integrity of the BH.


As a BH, I can only speak for reputable BH's.


You will always get a minority of people, no matter what profession, who abuse the system. This is same in RL too.


All we can say is, grind on Kashyyyk, or try not to get on the terminals.



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Okiv
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:32 am
#4


I personally think that if it takes 5 men to take down a paddy so be it. And if 5 of them are grouping just for the fun or backup again so be it. Bounty hunters aren't meant to duel one on one :S Unfairness is a part of it, the odds are meant to be stacked against the Jedi in terms of numbers.


The game experience you're talking about is meant to be hard work. You're talking really reasonably and I don't want you to take this as a flame but Jedi in this game has been made for the grinders who can get past the BHs and if you can't why not come play normal professions? Jedi can't be for everyone, just like entertaining/artisan/combat profs aren't all equally interesting to everyone.


I personally think the system is fine appart from Kashyyk LoS exploiting. I wouldn't mind trying to hunt on kash if it wasnt for the exploits even without droids.


At the minute theres barely any struggle to get jedi due to the kashyyk LoS grinding and because the penalty for being hunted has been reduced to xp loss all the way from permadeath.


If there was ever a time for permadeath now would be it :S With lightsabers/elemental dmggetting fixed soloing should be possible for Jedi? Although it would be as slow as it should be. The Jedi dominate the GCW to a point where no one wants to take part in it and this is why so many PvPers play BH nowadays.

Message Edited by Okiv on 06-29-2005 05:33 AM



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warrenbassist
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:37 am
#5

Honestly I don't like the system at all. The tension between Jedi and BH is way too angry. The causes for this are mentioned in the millions of threads previously, and I'm sure the DEVs know why this is as well.
CivicBountyHunter
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:41 am
#6


How many times does it have to be said. Kash was not "intended" as a non-trackable planet. It ended up this way because of lack of resources/talent at SoE. I really wish people would stop saying this. They can't handle the code behind the droids and the seperate instances.


IMHO - The system we have now is d@mn good if you ask me.

Message Edited by CivicBountyHunter on 06-29-2005 08:42 AM




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Okiv
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:43 am
#7

The only cause for tension I can see really is when people expect to be able to play Jedi without being hunted.


Everyone knows the life of a Jedi (even despite changes outlined above) is meant to be harder than normal play. The only reason there is tension is because people start playing Jedi thinking "If anyone does hunt me, I can just moan about it and get it changed".



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CivicBountyHunter
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:46 am
#8

There is alot of tension between Jedi and BH because I *believe* in generall that the mean age of both classes over the last year has droped to say maybe from 25 to 18. The same thing has happened to the player base in generall, I'm runing into TONS more 15-19 years old peeps as opposed to 25+.


I'm positative this has had some effect both on BH v Jedi and the game in generall.




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warrenbassist
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:48 am
#9






Okiv wrote:

The only cause for tension I can see really is when people expect to be able to play Jedi without being hunted.


Everyone knows the life of a Jedi (even despite changes outlined above) is meant to be harder than normal play. The only reason there is tension is because people start playing Jedi thinking "If anyone does hunt me, I can just moan about it and get it changed".





I think the most annoying thing about Kashyyk is the fact I can't climb on the freakin' hills. I'd love to see that on the promos, "heres our cool new expansion, oh yeah and by the way you can't climb up the hills!!!! mwhahahahahah"


I sure hope if they do Hoth you aren't restricted because of some unknown force makes it so you can't climb up hills.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 06-29-2005 08:50 AM

Apekeo
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:59 am
#10

OK the way I see it the jedi grinding is fine BH should be allowed to group hunt like said they are not meant to play fair. we should take away the exploits for the houses. If we want to group and show our sabers then we get on the terminals. thats fine with me. Jedi should solo and should take awhile to reach master. otherwise it would be easy and everyone would do it.


I say the people that are hiding in the houses are not worthy ofbecoming Jedi. jedi should remain hidden not dominate the galaxy but help the weak. keep the peace.


I also think there should be a completely different role for light and dark Jedi.


I hope BH get more powerful, as thats what makes Jedi fun the chase and the fear of losing the xp that took so long to get.


I have just started out but will never flame or run from a BH. if I lose then I may even tip the BH if they are kind in return. They are doing their job we as Jedi must do the same. If I lose it is my fault 1 for getting on the terminals in the first place and 2 for not being more focused



Just my 2 cence


znaxx
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:24 am
#11

I think the tensions between jedi and BH are far to high, it's really destryoing the game experience. I'm so sick of getting hate tells!


I did the hologrind and unlocked a bit after pub10 with my free unlocks. I grinded BH back when there was 10 min shuttle waits, no JTL and tons and tons of bugged NPC BH missions. I'm still a BH but I'm also a fulltemplated knight. I hate when I get hate tells from respec BH's.


I don't like the current BH system and I think it needs to change. I think the upcomming changes with removal of names on the terms is a good thing since it will prevent griefing. I would also like the old saber TEF to come back since that would prevent jedis from flashing saber at starports, which seem to upset alot of ppl.





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Checito
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:32 am
#12

My feelings are the system should change, its to late to lessen to numbers.


the current system is awful for jedi and it hurts them badly. I would vouch for the exp requirments for jedi to be massively increased, but the loss of exp from BH's stop existing.
Rikalonius
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:44 am
#13






paintingfreak wrote:


How do you guys feel about the current system? - I hate it. I wish it were BH versus Smuggler and Jedi didn't exist at all.

DO you feel like its fair for Jedi to be shafted so much, by loosin xp when killed? - I don't particular care if you think your being shafted. It isn't a bug. If I designed the system, I wouldn't use XP loss as motivator to be more careful, XP is at a premium.

How do you feel about Jedi running into there houses? - Typical - But I would do it to, if I was facing XP loss.

WHat do you think about Jedi grinding on Kashyyyk? - I don't care that the devs "ruined" our game experience, so much as they never gave us a good reason. At least invent some stuff like "Due to excessive flora clutter, seekers are unable to track their targets at this location.

Do you think its fair for a Bh to have his or her game play experiance ruined because us Jedi are so afraid of loosing xp? - Your experience isn't being Ruined. It is playing as it was intened. You no-longer have perma-death ruining your experience, but that isn't enough. I'm sure you knew before you unlocked what was going to happen. I could care less if you have been on since day one, so have I, and when I started, I was happy to play a game with NO JEDI. When I spend 9.5 minutes circling the Nurbergring in Grand Turismo, only to screw it up at the last corner and not complete my test, do i scream that Sony is ruining my driving game experience. I'ld like to,but nobody would listen.

How do you feel about groups hunting one Jedi? Stay off the terms.

Do you think Jedi's and BH's could some how setup a system between themselves to make this game a little more fun so both arnt getting screwed? Yup. I would love to see a BH inter-hunting game. See first question.


Thank you for your time - NP






Message Edited by Rikalonius on 06-29-2005 06:45 AM



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