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Keito_Temreh

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:24 am

Well so far since the cu came I mostly like BH. It is definitely a big improvement since i first mastered in aug 2003 however it is lacking in some areas still.

I personally feel we need some sort of accuracy buff similar to duelist stance. As is i have 281 ranged accuracy which will soon be higher once i find a couple of good general ranged accuracy skill attachments. With pyro i can get it higher 280+225 =505. Not bad but against master defenders i do terrible damage due to their often over 1000 ranged defense. This would be a huge addition to our skills.

I still think duelist stance needs an increase, any melee template including Jedi can have double the ranged defense i have with a full ranged template. We simply do not have enough melee defense. I have over 600 melee defense with vegesprine and skilltapes and Jedi still hit me for way more damage than I can do to them( see the above) Master Defender is the most common tree taken, I face far more of them than any other sort of Jedi. This is an area we are severely lacking, we are a tank and we cannot tank very well. Duelist stance is also very difficult to use, it has a low duration(30 secs) and you must be stationary for it to take effect, something you really don't want to be doing with a Jedi chasing you. If we are tanks then we are unable to do this effectively and if we are supposed to kite them then we again are also lacking in skills required to accomplish this. Either way you go, we are lacking,severely.

I think we need gadgets too, Bomb droid are nice. I find them very useful but when it comes to hunting jedi often where we are lacking is what to do when you have surprise? Right now all we can do is wait for them to be hurt and still it's a big gamble. Boba used a grappling cable to keep them from fighting, in the books it was a common Bh tactic to use thermal detonators( we can't use these), Bhs fight dirty we need tools(gadgets) to better accomplish this. The cable launcher could be a speed debuff possibly. In my opinion a BH should be able to apply states, lower defenses, and control an opponents posture and movement speed. Our initial strike is crucial but eventually we are going to be tanking our target and right now we are NOT great tanks.

Often i see Jedi complaining that we can do 1k dmg plus when in reality i am often lucky to hit over 200 against them when at the very least they are hitting me for 500 plus per hit and more quickly due to having their own speed buffs.

Right now most of us are depending on a jedi either dueling and low on health and force or engaged in difficult pve activites that leaves them in a similar vulnerable state. Simply put we are lacking, simply having first strike is not enough, we have to basically let others or mobs(npcs)hurt the Jedi for us.

I still feel we are unfinished as a profession.

Message Edited by Keito_Temreh on 08-29-2005 12:25 AM

Keito Tarmeh Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer Valcyn : Retired
Brant Hogan Master Combat Medic/Master Carbineer Bloodfin : Retired
Notam Vavaso Master Pilot/Master Carbineer/Master Bounty Hunter Chilastra : Active

Sundal

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:29 am

#2

Some of the scout trapping would have been nice. Too bad they are worthless to use, and never land. That's my ideal BH, someone who plans ahead for every possible situation. Laying traps and luring the mark into a state of confusion.

Keito_Temreh

Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:37 am

#3

Sundal wrote:

Some of the scout trapping would have been nice. Too bad they are worthless to use, and never land. That's my ideal BH, someone who plans ahead for every possible situation. Laying traps and luring the mark into a state of confusion.

I totally agree, i posted ideas like that 2 years ago lol. But instead we got 2 jedi publishes and basically no fixes or addons to existing professions other than Jedi. I really truly think they want us all to be Jedi. Starting to wonder why they just don't remove every profession but Jedi from the game as it seems they don't want any of the rest of us to have any value or to be desirable to play.

Keito Tarmeh Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer Valcyn : Retired
Brant Hogan Master Combat Medic/Master Carbineer Bloodfin : Retired
Notam Vavaso Master Pilot/Master Carbineer/Master Bounty Hunter Chilastra : Active

Ifisa

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:16 pm

#4

You are describing what a Smuggler is supposed to be. Crowd Control expert. According to what the professions were supposed to be with the CU, Bounty Hunter had a very low Crowd Control level if I remember correctly. To raise our Crowd Control skills we would have to 1) pick up smuggler (I have tried mbh/msmuggler myself and must say it lacks speed and accuracy, but otherwise is pretty nice) or 2) drop our defensive and offensive capabilities to make up for it.

Keito_Temreh

Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:20 pm

#5

Ifisa wrote:
You are describing what a Smuggler is supposed to be. Crowd Control expert. According to what the professions were supposed to be with the CU, Bounty Hunter had a very low Crowd Control level if I remember correctly. To raise our Crowd Control skills we would have to 1) pick up smuggler (I have tried mbh/msmuggler myself and must say it lacks speed and accuracy, but otherwise is pretty nice) or 2) drop our defensive and offensive capabilities to make up for it.

Last time i checked I am a solo profession that must take on his marks ALONE. This doesnt have a single thing to do with any other profession as BHs are not a group profession. Smuggler sucks against Jedi. I am a master carbineer too, guess what? It's a crowd control profession and it is still lacking what is needed to really take a full template Jedi on. One Jedi isnt a crowd, it is one opponent, I dont want aoe cc skills which is what a smuggler, a group profession, should have. BHs need single opponent posture controlling abilities, that isnt crowd control.

Keito Tarmeh Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer Valcyn : Retired
Brant Hogan Master Combat Medic/Master Carbineer Bloodfin : Retired
Notam Vavaso Master Pilot/Master Carbineer/Master Bounty Hunter Chilastra : Active

Tekcasualty

Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:20 am

#6

Crowd control does not necessarily mean "used against a crowd" its a tactic, a gameplay method.

Please tell me which smuggler ability does an AOE, I've been dying to use it =P

You are asking for the end all be all profession, and since we jedi already have that you can't (joking joking)

Seriously though man, your asking for all professions abilities minus crafting and healing, and even that is covered by stims.

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Keito_Temreh

Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:39 am

#7

Tekcasualty wrote:
Crowd control does not necessarily mean "used against a crowd" its a tactic, a gameplay method.

Please tell me which smuggler ability does an AOE, I've been dying to use it =P

You are asking for the end all be all profession, and since we jedi already have that you can't (joking joking)

Seriously though man, your asking for all professions abilities minus crafting and healing, and even that is covered by stims.

I've dealt with many different crowd control classes in many rpgs. Everquest, Ultima, Daoc. Crowd control abilities are not used against single opponents. Hence the name crowd control, the purpose to crowd control is to be able to take on one very difficult opponent at a time, allowing the group to focus on one rather than fight less efficiently against several. Jedi marks are single opponents, posture control and states are not crowd control hence why smugglers dont really get many of these types of skills.

Combat medics have a snare, a root, and several debuffs. The very things you need to take on a Jedi, hence the popularity of the bh/cm template. I guess you think cms are also treading on smuggler territory?

I personally chose carbineer to give me my bang for the buck. Snares, knockdowns, very good damage output. Now I will make my point one more time, either Bhs are tanks and should be able to stand toe to toe with their marks or we are supposed to kite and applie states and posture changes. Either way you go our skills are not sufficient to accomplish either goal.

I chose CM for the heals, so two of my 3 chosen professions are serving their intended purpose but the last one, BH is not 100% satisfactory and is seriously lacking. No fight against a single foe should last 90 mins, it should be over in 20 mins tops either in the Jedi's favor or the BHs. Right now typically it is either a very long fight that the BH usually loses in the end.

Oh and since you are being facetious, smugglers I said smugglers should have aoe crowd control skills, i didnt say they had them. Smuggler is also lacking the skills needed to accomplish their job. However smugglers are a group profession. BHs are a solo profession. How they are approached should be alot different.

Message Edited by Keito_Temreh on 08-29-2005 08:41 AM

Keito Tarmeh Master Bounty Hunter/Master Pistoleer Valcyn : Retired
Brant Hogan Master Combat Medic/Master Carbineer Bloodfin : Retired
Notam Vavaso Master Pilot/Master Carbineer/Master Bounty Hunter Chilastra : Active

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