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Thread: Template Question (No FS Skills?)

Daker-Naritus
Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:41 am
#1

I am asking this question of the Bounty Hunters, as you guys are generally really knowledgable regarding templates...


While Commando is (STILL) getting fixed, I have playing with mixing and matching professions, and have been recently been working through the BH trees (BH is one of the few professions that mixes and matches well with everything, even commando).


In reading through all the template threads on this board, something has struck me as odd: VERY few templates incorporate FS skills.



The reason I see this is odd, is that (aside from the fact that you have to grind massive amounts of xp to skill up, FS skills seem to be a really good deal to me. For 8 Skill Points, you can get +12 Ranged Defense and +12 Melee Defense. For 4 more, you can pick up either +12 Ranged Speed or Accuracy. For 4 more, you can get the same healing efficiency as the Novice CM box for less skill points.


However, most people do not seem to be including FS skills in their templates. My guess as to why that is, is that either (1) grinding non-FS skills is easier, and people don't want to grind that much XP on their BH, or (2) because of effectiveness "caps" (I know there are not true caps now, just marginal effectiveness increases) that make the FS skills a bad deal.



Anyone have any insight on this? If I am willing to grind the xp, is there some reason that picking up FS skills (defense/speed/accuracy/healing) over regular skill boxes is a bad idea?
bmill
Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:58 am
#2

FS aren't bad per say, but to most of us, they equate to not having enough SP to make our templates whole. For instance a 4444 Rifleman is just not as good as a Master. The same with every template. Though most of us do have FS skills, we just do not advertise it. The majority of templates do allow at least 3 or 4 extra SPs avail:


MBH+1RangedMaster+4xxxCM = 3 extra SP


MBH+MCM+1LineRanged = 3 Extra SP


MBH+MDoc+1LineRanged = 3 Extra SP


Some leave 4 open, some of the more "exotic" templates leave none open.



I actually had to drop 5 FS boxes to get my template. I didn't really mind it since they were not combat skills. I have 3 SPs invest in Ranged Accy though.



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prtzlboy
Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:04 am
#3

yeah, most of us have 3 pts in ranged accuracy, since most templates leave 3 extra sp. It's kind of a given anymore. I wouldn't gear a template around fs skills, though.
bmill
Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:20 am
#4

No certarinly not. The FS skills are nice, but not as nice as AA's and CA's. You can get MUCH better results with them and at no cost to your SPs too.


For instance, buying a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt with 4 sockets open for speed/accuracy is a much better alternative than spending at least 12 SPs for the same result.





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Daker-Naritus
Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:56 am
#5

Let me give an example to illustrate the kind of dilemma I am toying with:


Take one of the more popular templates (with carbine): MBH, MCarbine, 4000 CM, 0300 FS Combat Prowess (+9 speed). That gives the BH:


Carbine Accuracy 65


G. Ranged Accuracy 160


Carbine Speed 50


G. Ranged Speed 64


Carbine Defense 40


Melee Defense 165


Ranged Defense 190


Healing Efficiency 65



Now compare that to a FS Template with: MBH, MCarbine, 1000 CM, 0400 FS Combat Prowess (+12 speed); 4400 FS Enhanced Reflexes (+20 Ranged/Melee Defense). That gives the BH:


Carbine Accuracy 65


G. Ranged Accuracy 160


Carbine Speed 50


G. Ranged Speed 67


Carbine Defense 40


Melee Defense 175


Ranged Defense 205


Healing Efficiency 25



Using the latter template, you get +3 Speed, +10 Melee Defense, and +15 Ranged Defense. However, you also lose +40 Healing Efficiency and Advanced Bacta Toss (you get only Improved Bacta Toss).


The tradeoff would be healing ability for some additional defense. I don't know how much +40 efficiency increases heals, or how much a decrease of +10/15 defense matters, and I guess that is what I am really asking...

Daker-Naritus
Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:04 pm
#6






bmill wrote:

No certarinly not. The FS skills are nice, but not as nice as AA's and CA's. You can get MUCH better results with them and at no cost to your SPs too.


For instance, buying a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt with 4 sockets open for speed/accuracy is a much better alternative than spending at least 12 SPs for the same result.








Playing devil's advocate though, you could also buy a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt to wear WITH the +20 melee/ranged refense you get for 8SP from the FS lines and have a +36 point increase.


Wearing a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt also prevents you from wearing a +25 healing efficiency shirt, which decreases the effectiveness of your healing.



At least at the moment, I am ignoring shirts because they stack with everything...I will worry about that complication next...


bmill
Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:43 pm
#7






Daker-Naritus wrote:





bmill wrote:

No certarinly not. The FS skills are nice, but not as nice as AA's and CA's. You can get MUCH better results with them and at no cost to your SPs too.


For instance, buying a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt with 4 sockets open for speed/accuracy is a much better alternative than spending at least 12 SPs for the same result.








Playing devil's advocate though, you could also buy a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt to wear WITH the +20 melee/ranged refense you get for 8SP from the FS lines and have a +36 point increase.


Wearing a +16 melee/ranged defense shirt also prevents you from wearing a +25 healing efficiency shirt, which decreases the effectiveness of your healing.



At least at the moment, I am ignoring shirts because they stack with everything...I will worry about that complication next...







Ok... so on that note: You obviously can't drop MBH... MRM? Sure... you could drop MRM, and lose Adv Sniper Shot, armor mitgation, defense, speed, etc. Is that worth the added bonus of investing in FS skills? It *could* be, but I suspect not. Try it out and let us know, it's an interesting question though!



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