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Thread: Serious question for the Devs about Jedi vis...NO PERSONAL OPINIONS INSIDE!
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Tucheck
Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:38 pm
#1
With the recent changes to the Jedi and Bounty Hunter profession, I would like to know what actually contributes to Jedi "vis".
How is this calculated and how much "vis" is needed before a Jedi ends up on the Bounty Hunter mission terminals?
If a Jedi sees another Jedi (both ungrouped with eachother) using a lightsaber of Force powers, does this contribute to Jedi "vis"?
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals?
Is it as simple as seeing a Jedi with a lightsaber equipped, or seeing a player wearing a Jedi robe?
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run?
All in all, I just really want to understand this new system of "vis". Simple things like, "Can Jedi generate "vis" for a Jedi they are NTO groupped with"?
Please respond to this thread...with all the changes going on, many Jedi in these forums "rubbing our noses in it", and an entire professions morale lower then I've ever see it, I think it would do wonders just to understand what "getting vis" now means.
Thank you...
Other may wish to answer, however, unless you have a "red name" I believe it will be pure speculation. Feel free though to contribute...you pay the same each month that I do.
Tubeck Idos
I WILL be the last Master Bounty Hunter on my server!
Hey Garva, can I have my sig option back now? So I can stop the copy and paste of EVERY post.
How is this calculated and how much "vis" is needed before a Jedi ends up on the Bounty Hunter mission terminals?
If a Jedi sees another Jedi (both ungrouped with eachother) using a lightsaber of Force powers, does this contribute to Jedi "vis"?
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals?
Is it as simple as seeing a Jedi with a lightsaber equipped, or seeing a player wearing a Jedi robe?
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run?
All in all, I just really want to understand this new system of "vis". Simple things like, "Can Jedi generate "vis" for a Jedi they are NTO groupped with"?
Please respond to this thread...with all the changes going on, many Jedi in these forums "rubbing our noses in it", and an entire professions morale lower then I've ever see it, I think it would do wonders just to understand what "getting vis" now means.
Thank you...
Other may wish to answer, however, unless you have a "red name" I believe it will be pure speculation. Feel free though to contribute...you pay the same each month that I do.
Hey Garva, can I have my sig option back now? So I can stop the copy and paste of EVERY post.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:35 pm
#2
Tucheck wrote:
With the recent changes to the Jedi and Bounty Hunter profession, I would like to know what actually contributes to Jedi "vis".
How is this calculated and how much "vis" is needed before a Jedi ends up on the Bounty Hunter mission terminals? [I've never seen a definitive answer on this]
If a Jedi sees another Jedi (both ungrouped with eachother) using a lightsaber of Force powers, does this contribute to Jedi "vis"? [Yes, if they're within 32m]
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals? [Depending on how much time elapses between arrival and joining. Chances are, probably not.]
Is it as simple as seeing a Jedi with a lightsaber equipped, or seeing a player wearing a Jedi robe? [Nope]
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run? [No. Now if they watched him activate FR, that's a different story.]
All in all, I just really want to understand this new system of "vis". Simple things like, "Can Jedi generate "vis" for a Jedi they are NTO groupped with"? [Yes.]
Please respond to this thread...with all the changes going on, many Jedi in these forums "rubbing our noses in it", and an entire professions morale lower then I've ever see it, I think it would do wonders just to understand what "getting vis" now means.
Thank you...
Other may wish to answer, however, unless you have a "red name" I believe it will be pure speculation. Feel free though to contribute...you pay the same each month that I do.
Tubeck Idos
I WILL be the last Master Bounty Hunter on my server!
Hey Garva, can I have my sig option back now? So I can stop the copy and paste of EVERY post.
Quote of a quote from a dev (warning it's a bit dated):
How does Jedi visibility work in regard to Bounty Hunter terminals?
Each of the following Jedi-related actions has an associated Jedi Visibility Modifier:
Each of the following Jedi-related actions has an associated Jedi Visibility Modifier:
-Equipping a Lightsaber.
-Initiating Combat with a Lightsaber equipped.
-Using any Jedi-related skills that consume Force power.
All PCs and all non-animal NPCs that observe a Jedi performing any of the above stated actions (observed as defined as within 32 meters) will contribute to an increase in the Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV).
-An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
-A Neutral PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
-A same-faction PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 25 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained.
Source: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=696122#M696122
Sirisandir
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:46 pm
#3
Tucheck wrote:
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals? [Depending on how much time elapses between arrival and joining. Chances are, probably not.]
Wookies are NPCs, so they'll have full vis before the jedi comes
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run? [No. Now if they watched him activate FR, that's a different story.]
Force Run has a constant drain, I think this means constant vis.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:51 pm
#4
Sirisandir wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals? [Depending on how much time elapses between arrival and joining. Chances are, probably not.]
Wookies are NPCs, so they'll have full vis before the jedi comes
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run? [No. Now if they watched him activate FR, that's a different story.]
Force Run has a constant drain, I think this means constant vis.
Point 1: True. But that wasn't the question. 
Point 2: Yah, that could be. Haven't seen anything definitive by the devs stating that. It could be that because the power was initiated out of sight no vis.
Point is, even Jedi aren't certain on some of the finer points of what generates vis.
Hnglka
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:54 pm
#5
Sirisandir wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals? [Depending on how much time elapses between arrival and joining. Chances are, probably not.]
Wookies are NPCs, so they'll have full vis before the jedi comes
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run? [No. Now if they watched him activate FR, that's a different story.]
Force Run has a constant drain, I think this means constant vis.
force run is not a constant drain. its x amount per tick. yes you can gain vis using force run but its not going to be a whole lot if you are moving. Stand still with fr active at the MO on a busy night and ya you'll probably get on the terms.
Hnglka
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:58 pm
#6
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Sirisandir wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals? [Depending on how much time elapses between arrival and joining. Chances are, probably not.]
Wookies are NPCs, so they'll have full vis before the jedi comes
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run? [No. Now if they watched him activate FR, that's a different story.]
Force Run has a constant drain, I think this means constant vis.
Point 1: True. But that wasn't the question.
Point 2: Yah, that could be. Haven't seen anything definitive by the devs stating that. It could be that because the power was initiated out of sight no vis.
Point is, even Jedi aren't certain on some of the finer points of what generates vis.
very true. with some of the changes in the way powers are used now some of the old adages on vis are no longer true. But I can tell you that many of us knew enough about vis to grind over a half template without getting on the terms even once pre cu. Some folks did the whole grind without hitting the terms. It takes a hell of a lot more than the average paranoid paddy thinks to end up on the terms. The whole reason that you end up on the terms in no time flat when grouping is each vis gaining incident is multiplied by 7 sightings not counting any mobs that would add to your vis.
Tucheck
Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:03 am
#7
Tucheck wrote:
With the recent changes to the Jedi and Bounty Hunter profession, I would like to know what actually contributes to Jedi "vis".
How is this calculated and how much "vis" is needed before a Jedi ends up on the Bounty Hunter mission terminals?
If a Jedi sees another Jedi (both ungrouped with eachother) using a lightsaber of Force powers, does this contribute to Jedi "vis"?
If a Jedi decides to join a group grinding XP on Kashyyyk and comes upon a group of 7 Jedi using all kinds of Jedi powers (BEFORE the Jedi joins the group), does this generate enough Jedi "vis" that the entire group will end up on the Bounty Hunter terminals?
Is it as simple as seeing a Jedi with a lightsaber equipped, or seeing a player wearing a Jedi robe?
If I see a Jedi using Force Run across Theed, would THAT be enough Jedi "vis"....what if 12 players saw the Jedi using Force Run?
All in all, I just really want to understand this new system of "vis". Simple things like, "Can Jedi generate "vis" for a Jedi they are NTO groupped with"?
Please respond to this thread...with all the changes going on, many Jedi in these forums "rubbing our noses in it", and an entire professions morale lower then I've ever see it, I think it would do wonders just to understand what "getting vis" now means.
Thank you...
Other may wish to answer, however, unless you have a "red name" I believe it will be pure speculation. Feel free though to contribute...you pay the same each month that I do.Tubeck Idos I WILL be the last Master Bounty Hunter on my server!
Hey Garva, can I have my sig option back now? So I can stop the copy and paste of EVERY post.
FREE bump for me....
What about "burning off" JVV? Does a Jedi have to be online? Does sitting in a house AFK really help? I have had missions on some house sitting Jedi for well over 4 or 5 days just WAITING for them to move. Just how long does it NOW take to remove full JVV? If a Jedi kills a BH with their mission, will it now FINALLY remove that Jedi from the terminals?
Thanks alot LNoA...I really hope the Devs answer this thread...
BenkeiHami
Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:15 am
#8
Tucheck wrote:
FREE bump for me....
What about "burning off" JVV? Does a Jedi have to be online? Does sitting in a house AFK really help? I have had missions on some house sitting Jedi for well over 4 or 5 days just WAITING for them to move. Just how long does it NOW take to remove full JVV? If a Jedi kills a BH with their mission, will it now FINALLY remove that Jedi from the terminals?
Thanks alot LNoA...I really hope the Devs answer this thread...
if nothing else has changed.
No they don't need to be online line to burn off vis.
AFK makes no difference.
It will take 3 weeks to reduce vis from fullto 0, if they had less then the max (whatever that is) it would take less than three weeks.
Thats a tough one, without knowing the actual numbers we can't tell if the jedi was always being removed but getting back on immedietly from aquiring vis quickly or if its just broked.
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