Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: New proposed Terminal changes kill Real Bounty Hunters
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RAMBOW
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:27 am
#1
Tanks wrote:
Posted on the correspondent forum for discussion with the devs.
Blix: "The Jedi names and mission amounts should not show on the terminals"
Rebuttal:
Rebuttal:
- If the names are truly anonymous it would be very possible to get the same mission on a Jedi that is on Kasshyk or sitting in a Cantina, AFK, in a player city, over and over again.
- It would be also very possible to keep getting missions on Jedi that a solo BH has no chance of defeating (see rebuttle above). Obviously, no grouping would be possible.
- It would also not be possible to ascertain a Jedi is online or know the faction of the Jedi.
- It would also take away from the RP aspects of bounty hunting.
- Kashyyyk has become Jedi grinding spot now, so BHs will not be able to hunt Jedi via PC informants there either (will cause even more resentment in the BH community).
- BHs will not be able to use /tar Jediname when they get to their querry.
Solutions:
- Make it so a Jedi is assigned a pseudonym when his mission is created. This way if he is on Kashyyyk or AFK in a player structure, the BH can pick another mission.
- List only online Jedi missions on a SEPARATE PC Bounty tab along with their faction.
- Allow the Arakydn droid toreveal the Jedi's real name along with the planet location so the BH can use his targeting macros later on, or abort the mission if he wishes at that point.
- Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.
- Add BH terminals on Kashyyk that will list only Jedi that are currently online, and on that planet, seeing that we would no longer be able to use PC informants. This way at least we'd be able to start looking for them (still would take a long while to manually search each instance).
One thing to consider before making any changes, if any, is that a lot of the complaints to date have been due to the fact that a lot of newbie Jedi had never PvPed, and also were under the impression that they had to drop non-Jedi skills to level effectively due to CL levels and Padawan effectiveness in solo play. So, when they started grouping and getting visibility, they got wasted.
Now, people are used to CU. Jedi are picking up skills like Rifleman/TK/Swordsman along with Jedi healing and defenses. As a result low level Padawans are actually MORE dangerous adversaries than mid-level Jedi.
It might not be necessary to make any changes to the BH/Jedi system to solve the problem of BHs picking on low level Padawans, as the problem seems to be solving itself for the most part.
I am ready to discuss any of these issues or possible solutions.
Sorry in advance if reading this post you think im being a bit harsh... But I have been a BH for a long time and I dont want to see the professions I love to get dulled down because of the jedi constent whining about us killing them.
On my server, Chilastra, We have probably some of the best Bounty Hunters in the game... I dont say that lightly either. Im not talking about kill counts or fighting ability, Im talking about the actual "hunting". We have a long history of keeping tabs on all jedi on the server. It started with a list of jedi names started way back when jedi first unlocked... We had the first ever completed jedi mission on our server with some of the foundations for the BH system we have developed in place.
Recently most of these Bounty Hunters were united under 1 PA <MD>. While in this guild and watching us work together you really get a feel for what I always though BH should be. One of our newer more unexperienced members would ask about a certain jedi, and the vets would be able to tell him... Where the jedi hunts, what PA he is in, what faction, where his houses are that he might run to ect ect ect.... Vital Information for a true BH.
The fact is we do have these lists... We know everything we can about hundreds of jedi on our server. We have the Waypoints of there houses, cities, ect in our datapads.
If you take away our right to see thier names at the terminal, you will make us nothing but nameless waypoint chasers. Even if you give us names when we get the probe droid back.. it isnt the same at all.
The jedi say its unfair that BHs can pick and choose padawans and "bottom feed" once again, It seems to me the Jedi are blaming US for them being on the terms. Im all for giving them a Master/Aprentice system or perhaps no Visablity for groups ect.... Personally I like to hunt padawans because they still have something to loose. (now all the jedi will say im just in it to grief another player ect). What fun is jedi if you have nothing to loose? What fun is BHing against a mark that has nothing to loose? That would just be normal PvP, which I can find alot more of just by joining a group and going SF.
Please dont ruin the Bounty Hunter system by making us nothing but waypoint chasers.
Ezar
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:33 am
#3
Amen brother.
SOE needs to stop catering to the whiny jedi and start paying attention to the rest of their broken game.
I heardthat pub 19 is a mostly jedi patch. I rest my case.
- Ezar
Saruun_Mortuus
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:38 am
#4
Exactly! But oh well... I guess I don't mind, so long as the Jedi heals actually get a mind cost... But it better be a big one...
RAMBOW
Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:47 am
#5
Bump because people dont get it.... No names is a very bad thing... just makes things easier and easier for jedi
runingbird
Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:07 am
#6
so your saying jedi should not have fun grinding with other people or in there guild becuse bh ar egoign after lower level jedi some jedi are just dong jedi for pve reason or rp gameing and plus wjop pays for there game play is it you no it is them that pays for there game play soem work hard maybe like 60hrs a week and might have a familey and somre of the players on here probably don't have a familey or has no better time on there hands other then play the game all day and if a low level jedi get to far in the hole then with everything else goign on in real life it taks them for ever to get out the hole..
Actairr
Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:27 am
#7
runingbird wrote:
so your saying jedi should not have fun grinding with other people or in there guild becuse bh ar egoign after lower level jedi some jedi are just dong jedi for pve reason or rp gameing and plus wjop pays for there game play is it you no it is them that pays for there game play soem work hard maybe like 60hrs a week and might have a familey and somre of the players on here probably don't have a familey or has no better time on there hands other then play the game all day and if a low level jedi get to far in the hole then with everything else goign on in real life it taks them for ever to get out the hole..
Umm we pay the same price that they pay and we only get ONE toon. People of every prof have families not just jedi. Yea jedi should have fun, this IS a game, but so should BHs right? I have been playing for two years and spent most of that time grinding so does that mean that now I can be uber? No. Why cause I did not grind jedi. If you want to get the BONUS of being a jedi knight (full template) then you have to earn it.
RAMBOW
Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:37 am
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runingbird wrote:
so your saying jedi should not have fun grinding with other people or in there guild becuse bh ar egoign after lower level jedi some jedi are just dong jedi for pve reason or rp gameing and plus wjop pays for there game play is it you no it is them that pays for there game play soem work hard maybe like 60hrs a week and might have a familey and somre of the players on here probably don't have a familey or has no better time on there hands other then play the game all day and if a low level jedi get to far in the hole then with everything else goign on in real life it taks them for ever to get out the hole..
well IF you would have read my post... I said I agree with no Vis from group members.... but IMO jedi shouldnt be forced to group to level....
Other then that.... just another jedi whining about how hard Jedi is... It is suppost to be hard... people like you have made it into easy mode that it is now.
Krendor
Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:54 am
#11
The irony here is people like the guy you bash are a pretty big majority of the player base now so the minority BH's that get nothing more but joy out of griefing because thats all it is when you cause another player to loose exp. Are runeing the game not only for others but for sony as well because as the more people quit this game the less you eventualy have to play with until they pull the plug for good. This game right now brings in probly abit more then 3 mil before cost a month from subscriptions as that starts to drop lower you will see more radical changes to entice old players to come back. I just came back last week after a year break if it wasn't for the last 2 expansions and overall lack of satisfaction with WoW's poorly emplemented high end game I wouldn't have given it a 3rd chance. Right now I'm currently working through the village quest myself and I can tell you the system sickens me as a paying customer. Like Ive posted in other spots I think the system needs negatives for the BH's to truely ballance it out if a Jedi can loose exp and hours of work ie, rl time then the players behind the BH's need to have equal concern for there actions. I mean seriously most BH's gank when folks are grped because thats when they get vis trying to gain exp and most times the Jedi is already low life from mobs or healing there grp the system is in serious need of refinement. I was talking with some guild members last night I think one of the best thoughts Ive heard was giveing everyone the Jedi is grped with a Temporary TEF against that BH so they can heal the Jedi and help out I mean realy its kind of silly for them to stand there helplessly when this is a cooperative game, I think that one change would be enough to keep BHers in check a bit more. I also think this would make it alot more challenging for the BH's that realy enjoy playing there class they would have to use survallance, and be alot more carefull on just flying into a grp hoping off there mount dropping the Jedi and rolling out.
Message Edited by Krendor on 06-26-2005 11:00 AM
GlargTheKelfn
Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:57 am
#12
the whole concept of not knowing the name of the person you are hunting is just stupid. really not a lot more than that can be said about it.
RAMBOW
Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:00 am
#13
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the whole concept of not knowing the name of the person you are hunting is just stupid. really not a lot more than that can be said about it.
more does need to be said though because some of these respec BHs just dont get it... and if nothing changes im guessing we WILL loose names on the terminals.
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