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Thread: 'Hunters: for the good of the game . . . Lay off the Paddies for the next few weeks . . .
Im a BH and im glad jedi are in the game. It's fun to hunt them. That is how it should be and that is why it was put in the game. In the GCW, do you get mad and scream at the rebel or imperialthat killed you? I don't, and many people i know don't, thats because its a game and the GCW makes the game more interesting. Same with BH vs Jedi, its a game that is supposed to be fun and make things more interesting, BHs actualy hunting targets, and Jedi being hunted. Yet both sides have to find one reason or another to flame the other. I really don't see the problem between the two and yet you guys continue to scream at eachother. Maybe if you spent less time arguing and more time playing the game, itwill be much more fun, as it was intended to be.
(By the way, if you read the Starwars books, you will learn that Boba Fett did survive falling into the pit.)
Damn, this guy used a lot of colors. I'll use white to respond...
Aikes wrote:
Everyone wants to be a jedi. IF they give up on going for jedi for any reason, the never-ending grind, the resources needed, or any number of other reasons that make jedi so hard to get, it is common for that person to create a Bounty Hunter so they can try to be near what they envy.
Umm... speak for yourself. Not EVERYYONE wants to be a Jedi. I can think of a half dozen players I talk to on a daily basis who aren't interested in being Jedi. I can prolly namea dozen more who I know who aren't interested in being Jedi. My goals coming into SWG were to try out the various aspects of the game: crafting, social (entertainer), and combat. Also, I wanted to run a successful buisness in SWG, maybe start up a successful guild, make a player city. I had a long list of goals... and yes, Jedi was on the list, but it was also considered VERY low priority. Not because it was hard, but because I knew a large majority of the players would be driving for Jedi and I like to be different.
Your first statement alone shows that you think everyone else thinks as you think. You think Jedi are the end-all, be-all of Star Wars. This game isn't about Jedi. If it was it would be called: Star Wars Galaxies: Jedi Wars or something like that. But its not. It's called: Star Wars Galaxies An Empired Divided. This game is about the GCW. However, bounty hunters, smugglers, droids, and yes, even Jedi are part of the Star Wars mythos. BUT Jedi is just ONE aspect of the game. Quit assuming everyone is like you; because, we aren't. And I'm proud that I'm different than the 'average' player.
They say lesbians have p#nis envy, well it seems most Bounty Hunters have Saber envy and if they cant have it they must hate and lash out at it
Please. Anyone could have unlocked by now if they wanted to. 20 weeks of COMBAT grinding. Oh, how hard. Give me a break. Try grinding out Master Ranger or a crafting profession... or god forbid, grinding entertainer AT THE KEYBOARD. Guess what? I've done all three. I grinded to Novice Musician (all the further I wanted) AT THE KEYBOARD. If I can survive THAT grind, I'm sure I can survive the FS grind. We could have it, we just choose not to.
And since you brought up the whole p#nis envy thing. I'm not the one who is running around a video-game world with what an ex-girlfriend of mine referred to as: the ultimate phallic symbol. So, who's really suffering from p#nis envy? My wife is pretty happy with mine. I've never felt inadquate. How about you?
Oh I know not all BHs are like that, but from the level of venom in your posts, many of you do. I started as a BH long ago in the game and then became a Mayor, a guild leader, a doc, and finaly a jedi. I find it funny when BHs cry because there are too many of them now. Going to what has been said in MANY posts by MANY BHs in this forum about jedi, BH is a small part of the story and should be limited to only a few. Bobba Fett died pretty easy in a hole on Tatooine, so why is it that BH is so strong now? Because you whined and cried about how weak you are compaired to what is supposed to be the strongest profession in the game or story until they decided to let everyone be BH and made it something desirable.
How many Jedi did we see in the original three movies? Yoda, Vader, Luke, Ben. How many bounty hunters did we see in ESB? 4 or 5, at least. Then Leia dressed up as in Return. Plus there were several others at Jabba's palace. Geedo (HAN FIRED FIRST) and let's not forget about the one that Han ran into between ANH and ESB. Lots more BHs than Jedi.
As for BHs being weak. Boba Fett was killed for a few minor laughs as he's taken out by the blind Han Solo. Lucas has admitted that if he had known Fett was so popular, he wouldn't have killed him off. Fett died due to script and nothing else. Jango Fett died to establish just how BASSAFT Mace Windu is (let's not forget that Mace Windu uses a lightsaber form few Jedi even attempt to learn the basics of... much less master). Also, if you watch the special edition DVD with the compantary... its mentioned that he's trying to drop the damaged jetpack when Windu comes after him. And let's not forget about good old Jedi MASTER Coleman Trebor, gunned down by Jango Fett with ease. And before you bring up EU, see my signature... EU doesn't count as SW gospel...
Simple fact is that most of us just want some semblance of balance in this game. I think 50% superior to a combat template is 'fair'. But don't think just because you grinded out a bunch of stuff means you earned an 'i win' button. You 'earned' the chance to play the iconic profession of Star Wars: a Jedi. That should be more than enough for ANY true Star Wars fan.
No crafters, no docs, no entertainers, no jedi, and no players, only a bunch of BHs who couldnt do much more then give up on being jedi. Yea I was proud of my BH, but I am even more proud to be JEDI!!
My Starsider character will still be around, so at least one crafter will be left. I've seen a number of new armorsmiths, weaponsmiths, etc lately so I don't think there will be a shortage of those. They just need to learn how to work around the level issue with the CURB. Speaking of. Jedi don't care about crafters because Jedi don't need anything from them except for food. Bounty Hunters, on the other hand, buy weapons, food, armor, droids, etc. If anyone is killing crafters, its everyone going JEDI.
Entertainers? Umm... yeah. Well, I'll admit the number of AFK entertainers has dropped. But the ATK ones are still around. And they are enjoying the game more now because its easier to socialize without all the buffbot spam in the way. Guess how I sell most of my loot? Through ATK entertainers who talk to other people when they come in.
You make many assumptions. Most of which are wrong. BHs are NOT going to kill this game. The CURB isn't going to kill this game. It's childish people who want god mode and the ability to solo krayts dragons that almost killed this game.
Be proud of your Jedi. Of your list of accomplishments, I'd list that as rather low, in my opinion. Any moron with enough time can grind a Jedi. I'd be more proud of being a guild leader and/or successful mayor. But hey, what do I know? I'm a nobody since I don't want a Jedi. God, I'm glad I'm a nobody; because, when I look at the world, I don't want to be like EVERYONE else.
heapum wrote:My Starsider character will still be around, so at least one crafter will be left. I've seen a number of new armorsmiths, weaponsmiths, etc lately so I don't think there will be a shortage of those. They just need to learn how to work around the level issue with the CURB. Speaking of. Jedi don't care about crafters because Jedi don't need anything from them except for food. Bounty Hunters, on the other hand, buy weapons, food, armor, droids, etc. If anyone is killing crafters, its everyone going JEDI.I'm calling BS on the comments in red. Jedi are pretty self sufficient. however I had to expend a large sum of money for multiple structures to act as rat holes to hide from the growing BH menace. Don't forget that droid detection devices are needed in these homes to prevent those pesky MSE droids from sneaking past the door to blow me up. Also alot of jedi characters are also pilots so they rely on shipwrights as well.Every profession id dependent on the other ones to some extent. its just looks like jedi is independent. think about it from a crafters perspective. they are the independent variable in the crafter combat relationship. yank them out of the picture and combat profs suffer bad. in terns of independence the ranger/CH wins out over all the profs. ranger is the walking harvester and with CH post CU its very possible to kill critters weaponless.
What Jedi buy:
10 houses (one time purchase)
10 droid detection units (one time purchase)
5 droids of combat, storage, or stimpack variety (one time purchase)
food (multiple purchases)
Ship (multiple purchases)
resources (multiple purchases, however diminishing return. Once a Jedi has his highest generation lightsaber made with the best resources ever available, no longer purchases)
Bounty Hunter
Might buy houses
5 droids of combat, storage, etc (one time purchases)
Probe droids (multiple purchases)
Seeker droids (multiple purchases)
food (multiple purchases)
Ship (multiple purchases)
weapons (multiple purchases)
Armor (multiple purchases)
Bomb Droids (multiple purchases)
The difference:
Jedi buy 10 houses. They buy SOME resources.
BHs buy probe droids, seeker droids, bomb droids, weapons, armor. 'Normal combatants' have pretty much the same list as Bounty Hunters except without the specialized droids; TKA also go without armor and (sometimes) weapons, now.
However. For the BH to get his repeat purchases, the crafters need to buy harvesters and factories. Those crafters buy more resources than Jedi do. How many units of materials go into a lightsaber? For a 2-handed 4th generation: 200 gas, 78 metal, 40 gemstone, 28 chemical, 20 mineral, 20 steel, and 12 copper according to swgcraft.com. That's 398 units of materials. My droid engineer uses that to sell seekers in a DAY. How long does a lightsaber (not the crystals) last? Oh, yeah... forever. And that's without an ADK to keep the crystals from decaying...
Also, I've been a CH/Ranger. I still bought armor, I still bought food, I still bought weapons. And I was always buying that next best bio-Engineered creature. I bought lots of level 10 ones to sell to other people. Granted, this was pre-CU. But, even under the current system I'd STILL have armor just in case. But I'll grant you that CH/Ranger and TKA are probably as self-sufficient as Jedi are. Although neither of them can battle fatigue (without spending points that don't count towards that all important CL, I believe there is BF healing in the Jedi Healing 'profession'. And CH/Ranger doesn't have state recoveries either, I believe.
EDIT: Let's also establish that my point isn't that Jedi don't do anything for the community. My point is that Mister Aikes thinks Bounty Hunters just worry about themselves. He seems to believe that BHs would be happy if they were the only profession around. I'm just stating that compared to Jedi we have more invested in the other players.
Now, if this discussion continues it will go like this:
You bring up your alt does all this stuff to get crystals for you Jedi.
I bring up the fact that your alt would be buying all that stuff if you didn't have a Jedi because you'd be out after loot or credits; and therefore again, being a Jedi doesn't add much more than what's currently listed on my list of purchases. End of discussion.
Message Edited by RunningRoutes on 05-03-2005 02:53 AM
SLEIBHEEN wrote:
YOU got on the terms so YOU had best deal with it and don't gimme the crap about having to get vis.It was YOUR choice to get xp faster and get the vis.
how many pages back did you find this thread?