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Thread: Jedi damage output and the new SL changes
Thassk wrote:
Its alright if you don't believe me, because i'm surely not going to dig up CU post. i hate to admit i live in this crappy system. a lvl 42 having much defense against accuracy? i wouldn't know, lvl 57 is a single complete mastery isn't it? so i suppose it depends on what template they have, and what they are going against. either way, 18k of damage is SICK. anyway you cut it, you could probably use math and try to taper that to someone that is higher level, i doubt it'd do much.
ill put it this way .. no way in heck if that guy was level 80 would you have done 17828 ( or whatever it was ) ...
it also could have been a glitch or something ... im not denying it could have been a bug ..
but bug or not .. higher levels = less damage
imho of course
I hate to be the one to tell you, but CL does not matter in PvP.
It has an indirect effect because a higher level player will have more max health and more accuracy and defense.
It has no direct effect like it does in PvE though.
You would hit another player more or less based on your accuracy and their defense but it caps at a certain point once you reach your weapons max damage.
He shot at someone with little defense and probably achieved his max on weapon. However just the fact that the guy was CL 42 doesnt really matter.
I am sure I could make a CL 75 or so template with more defense than certain CL 80 templates. Amor being Equal the CL 75 will take less damage becausae he has more defense.
If CL had a direct part in PvP the CL 80 would take less damage. Now if you take the same 2 players and throw them out in PvE, the CL 80 will take less damage because of the CL bonus in PvE
Message Edited by Sidalo on 10-21-2005 10:28 AM
roundwallking wrote:
Ramblin
I submit that you were fighting someone with the new SL enhancement that allows them to BYPASS your armor (not ab it but a complete bypass) and if you add a damage sl buff and a speed sl buff you would probably have seen an even faster fight.
Message Edited by Parnakido on 10-22-2005 03:47 AM
Anyway I was hitting a BH for 550 with head hit leghit combo without useing AB because I forgot, he was a MBH/MCM . I had a sl buff as we were testing the new stuff in our city when he turned up. Didnt seem to make that much difference maybe 50 odd damage. Nothing Id go out of my way to try and achieve as I can do enough with AB applied and a KD obviously. With AB applied i can get about 450-650 damage depending on the BH armour with a max 1000 plus on kd and power attack.
Saber is
619-719 for reference.
chewboywa wrote:
-Keno- wrote:
By the way my armour is 8k energy resists with 75% AB slice plus defensive foods and he still cut thru me like hot butter.
My lightsaber is over 730 max with 219 elemental damage and against that kind of armor I am lucky to land 520 to 550 damage depending on attack, did he have squad leader buffs on his bar when he was getting 700 past that armor?
then you can't use your template.do you armourbreak or use powerhit?
Mythrindir wrote:
chewboywa wrote:
-Keno- wrote:
By the way my armour is 8k energy resists with 75% AB slice plus defensive foods and he still cut thru me like hot butter.
My lightsaber is over 730 max with 219 elemental damage and against that kind of armor I am lucky to land 520 to 550 damage depending on attack, did he have squad leader buffs on his bar when he was getting 700 past that armor?
then you can't use your template. do you armourbreak or use powerhit?
I know very well how to fight, but I was not including power attack.
Sidalo wrote:
Thassk wrote:
Its alright if you don't believe me, because i'm surely not going to dig up CU post. i hate to admit i live in this crappy system. a lvl 42 having much defense against accuracy? i wouldn't know, lvl 57 is a single complete mastery isn't it? so i suppose it depends on what template they have, and what they are going against. either way, 18k of damage is SICK. anyway you cut it, you could probably use math and try to taper that to someone that is higher level, i doubt it'd do much.
ill put it this way .. no way in heck if that guy was level 80 would you have done 17828 ( or whatever it was ) ...
it also could have been a glitch or something ... im not denying it could have been a bug ..
but bug or not .. higher levels = less damage
imho of course
I hate to be the one to tell you, but CL does not matter in PvP.
It has an indirect effect because a higher level player will have more max health and more accuracy and defense.
It has no direct effect like it does in PvE though.
You would hit another player more or less based on your accuracy and their defense but it caps at a certain point once you reach your weapons max damage.
He shot at someone with little defense and probably achieved his max on weapon. However just the fact that the guy was CL 42 doesnt really matter.
I am sure I could make a CL 75 or so template with more defense than certain CL 80 templates. Amor being Equal the CL 75 will take less damage becausae he has more defense.
If CL had a direct part in PvP the CL 80 would take less damage. Now if you take the same 2 players and throw them out in PvE, the CL 80 will take less damage because of the CL bonus in PvE
Message Edited by Sidalo on 10-21-2005 10:28 AM
im not really stating it from CL standpoint .. im stating that with the skill boxes necessary to get to CL 80 the added defense putted agaisnt the attackers accuracy would have brought the weapon much closer to minimum damage?
i would have though that sense would have prevailed and protrayed my point in my statement .. but i can be detailed as well if debate persists
Theres been a change to armor break I think. Even with 75% AB resist slices my armor was reduced by 15%. Somethings been changed. A new full temp Jedi (he told me himself and I'd never heard of him before) hit me for almost 800 (it was just over 1300 initial hit) and I was wearing 8108 energy armor with 6000 elemental resists. My ranged defense (with ranged def drink) was 435.
Somethings changed so right now it's only feasible to do the snare long range kill on Jedi.
Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 10-21-2005 05:27 PM
Yes something must have changed with Pub 24 because I seem to take more of a beating now. Before I could stand toe-to-toe with a Jedi, now it seems like they are doing way more damage than before and I am forced to kite.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Theres been a change to armor break I think. Even with 75% AB resist slices my armor was reduced by 15%. Somethings been changed. A new full temp Jedi (he told me himself and I'd never heard of him before) hit me for almost 800 (it was just over 1300 initial hit) and I was wearing 8108 energy armor with 6000 elemental resists. My ranged defense (with ranged def drink) was 435.
Somethings changed so right now it's only feasible to do the snare long range kill on Jedi.
Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 10-21-2005 05:27 PM
What's your ranged defense? What kind of armor were you wearing at the time? Were you using any defense foods?
OhBuggah wrote:
Tanks wrote:
-Keno- wrote:
Tonight I was fighting a jedi that was hitting me around 700+ on a consistant basis, at one point he hit me for 1200 points of damage! I was healing like mad just to stay alive but needless to say he got me in the end. Now I have the best equipment and used to fighting fully temp jedi so Iusually last alot longer. I noticed he had some Squad Leader icons uner his name, so I can only assume he was grouped with a Squad Leader at the time. Could that be the reason for his insane damage output?
Message Edited by -Keno- on 10-19-2005 05:16 PM
Is this a joke post? 700+ is not an insane amount of damage by any stretch of imagination.
700+ after mitigation on a BH with high defenses and armor rating IS an insane amount of damage. i really don't think you know what you're talking about.