Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Overt Jedi can escape BH into bases: Is this intended?
Vandent wrote:
diepa wrote:
Because you are playing a BH to force PvP on another player, at the same time you are refusing to participate in PvP, Thats what is hypocritical. Work for who you want, but pick a side and PvP.
I can understand where you are coming from, but here's the problem. The reason I'm attacking the Jedi to begin with is because he failed to abide by the visibility rules and got a bounty put on his head. Anybody who willing runs around with a lightsaber and does force powers in public should know full well that they are going to get hunted. Having a mission on you is a penalty.
The bounty hunter class is unlike other professions. Our terminals give us live people to kill. Our affiliation shouldn't matter. However, bounty hunters aren’t truly neutral. All missions given to us are from the Bounty Hunter's Guild. All Spynet NPCs refer to us as being in the Bounty Hunter's Guild as well. So, in actuality, we are part of a faction with our own agenda that is separate from the Rebels and the Imperials. We fight for ourselves. We don’t fight for the Empire or the Rebellion. Joining one of those factions doesn’t really benefit our goals or us.
We force you into PvP for not playing by the rules. I didn’t design the game this way, so it isn’t my fault. This is what I’m intended to do. If you don’t want to be hunted, walk around public places with a blaster in your hand. Don’t wear Jedi robes. Don’t put a Jedi tag under your name. You should be aware of the consequences before you choose to take on the role of a Jedi. You are supposed to hide your abilities. My best friend is a fairly low-level Jedi padawan that’s yet to be hunted because he follows the rules.
Well I have a solution for you, find a smuggler on both sides...buy +200 fp and head out...If your mark hides in a base..then join the reb/imp become a combatant and go in after him...after the mission resign..and by some more FP..200 fp will cost you about 20k.
diepa wrote:
Corvett wrote:
daetalus wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
Just got word that it was an exploit, CSR was by me and saw him in base, But Mark Logged out cowardly when he was about to get busted.So he was exploiting tef while i was onleave and he was combatant/sf.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs40&d=05312&f=factionbaseexploit.JPG
Message Edited by StormTroopercpt0 on 08-02-200512:07 AM
Funny how the CSR's contrict each other. I was told by a CSR that it was not exploiting for a SF jedi to run into a PVE/SF base while they were overt and the BH was onleave. The bases are not considered player structures b/c they are factional extensions. Even though they are placed by a player and take the base lots from a player, they arent really controled by the person who droped them.
P.S. how did you get a csr to log in to witness this? No ticket i have ever placed has ever called a csr to respond ingame.
QFE
I have had 4 different CSR's say different things way back when the PSG LS resists was an issue. Some said yes some said no, I even had one ask if there was even such a thing....lol
No contradiction, the screen shot just says he /report the jedi for abusing the TEF exploit, that is old and has been fixed, the CSR doesnt know what he is talking about. In any PvP Jedi/bh or normal PvP, the base is ALWAYS a safe haven. If you want to kill the player in the base, you have to go in and get them. God, the pissing and moaning from BH's never stop, he isnt in a house...you can get in the base. You chose to go on leave so you would not have to deal with npcs, the Jedi choose to go SF so he could enter the base if he needed too. No exploit....
Actually your both wrong,MY ticket said that the jedi Was Abusing BH TEF By going in and out Faction Base as Combatant/SF while i was onleave.IT is an EXPLOIT, He was abusing Tef, are you saying your word is over an CSRs? sorry bud but it isnt.
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
diepa wrote:
Corvett wrote:
daetalus wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
Just got word that it was an exploit, CSR was by me and saw him in base, But Mark Logged out cowardly when he was about to get busted.So he was exploiting tef while i was onleave and he was combatant/sf.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs40&d=05312&f=factionbaseexploit.JPG
Message Edited by StormTroopercpt0 on 08-02-200512:07 AM
Funny how the CSR's contrict each other. I was told by a CSR that it was not exploiting for a SF jedi to run into a PVE/SF base while they were overt and the BH was onleave. The bases are not considered player structures b/c they are factional extensions. Even though they are placed by a player and take the base lots from a player, they arent really controled by the person who droped them.
P.S. how did you get a csr to log in to witness this? No ticket i have ever placed has ever called a csr to respond ingame.
QFE
I have had 4 different CSR's say different things way back when the PSG LS resists was an issue. Some said yes some said no, I even had one ask if there was even such a thing....lol
No contradiction, the screen shot just says he /report the jedi for abusing the TEF exploit, that is old and has been fixed, the CSR doesnt know what he is talking about. In any PvP Jedi/bh or normal PvP, the base is ALWAYS a safe haven. If you want to kill the player in the base, you have to go in and get them. God, the pissing and moaning from BH's never stop, he isnt in a house...you can get in the base. You chose to go on leave so you would not have to deal with npcs, the Jedi choose to go SF so he could enter the base if he needed too. No exploit....
Actually your both wrong,MY ticket said that the jedi Was Abusing BH TEF By going in and out Faction Base as Combatant/SF while i was onleave.IT is an EXPLOIT, He was abusing Tef, are you saying your word is over an CSRs? sorry bud but it isnt.
Thats not what your screen shot said...Also I know plenty of people that have used this and never been warned or dealt with in anyway. The csr that told you it was an exploit was a moron.
MasterARP wrote:
N-Breen wrote:
Stop crying. Its a military base, jedi or not. You think that soldiers in bases around the world don't use them for protection? oh wait...
From dictionary.com :
A center of organization, supply, or activity; a headquarters.
1. A fortified center of operations.
2. A supply center for a large force of military personnel.
Get over it, if he's using a military base to provide him protection, id say its working as intended.
a quote from Episode 2 seems to fall in here somewhere...
"we are not soldiers, we are keepers of the peace" jedi council member cant remember his name
Yes and the game follows the movies...in old FRS to become a knight you had to pick a side and go permaovert...but of course they Jedi are not to get any benefit from being overt......You whinners are unbelievable
diepa wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
diepa wrote:
Corvett wrote:
daetalus wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
Just got word that it was an exploit, CSR was by me and saw him in base, But Mark Logged out cowardly when he was about to get busted.So he was exploiting tef while i was onleave and he was combatant/sf.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs40&d=05312&f=factionbaseexploit.JPG
Message Edited by StormTroopercpt0 on 08-02-200512:07 AM
Funny how the CSR's contrict each other. I was told by a CSR that it was not exploiting for a SF jedi to run into a PVE/SF base while they were overt and the BH was onleave. The bases are not considered player structures b/c they are factional extensions. Even though they are placed by a player and take the base lots from a player, they arent really controled by the person who droped them.
P.S. how did you get a csr to log in to witness this? No ticket i have ever placed has ever called a csr to respond ingame.
QFE
I have had 4 different CSR's say different things way back when the PSG LS resists was an issue. Some said yes some said no, I even had one ask if there was even such a thing....lol
No contradiction, the screen shot just says he /report the jedi for abusing the TEF exploit, that is old and has been fixed, the CSR doesnt know what he is talking about. In any PvP Jedi/bh or normal PvP, the base is ALWAYS a safe haven. If you want to kill the player in the base, you have to go in and get them. God, the pissing and moaning from BH's never stop, he isnt in a house...you can get in the base. You chose to go on leave so you would not have to deal with npcs, the Jedi choose to go SF so he could enter the base if he needed too. No exploit....
Actually your both wrong,MY ticket said that the jedi Was Abusing BH TEF By going in and out Faction Base as Combatant/SF while i was onleave.IT is an EXPLOIT, He was abusing Tef, are you saying your word is over an CSRs? sorry bud but it isnt.
Thats not what your screen shot said...Also I know plenty of people that have used this and never been warned or dealt with in anyway. The csr that told you it was an exploit was a moron.
SpunkyKuma wrote:
Here's a killer for you, tracked down a knight and noticed he was an overt Reb standing outside a SF base and I had him down to 1/3 health after attacking and he rushes into the base so I ran to the nearby PVE base and went Reb (and overt) and called over some overt Imps to stand guard outside the base while I run in so the Jedi had to fight me whether he liked it or not and if he went outside he'd be ganked.
I think that sums it up for being an evil (and smart?) BH.
nah not smart... just stubborn. But thats ok. I dont use GCW bases to GET away.. I use them to turn the tide in my favor. If i can force a BH into close quarter combat and take away his ranged advantage, I will. That's all there is too it. So yeah.. come in after me bucko.
Doesn't bother me, close combat is my style as I use pistols, I rarely kite so it doesn't make a difference for me when I run into a base.
Vicci A'Tivo - Elder "in your face" Bounty Hunter
diepa wrote:
Because you are playing a BH to force PvP on another player, at the same time you are refusing to participate in PvP, Thats what is hypocritical. Work for who you want, but pick a side and PvP.
I can understand where you are coming from, but here's the problem. The reason I'm attacking the Jedi to begin with is because he failed to abide by the visibility rules and got a bounty put on his head. Anybody who willing runs around with a lightsaber and does force powers in public should know full well that they are going to get hunted. Having a mission on you is a penalty.
The bounty hunter class is unlike other professions. Our terminals give us live people to kill. Our affiliation shouldn't matter. However, bounty hunters aren’t truly neutral. All missions given to us are from the Bounty Hunter's Guild. All Spynet NPCs refer to us as being in the Bounty Hunter's Guild as well. So, in actuality, we are part of a faction with our own agenda that is separate from the Rebels and the Imperials. We fight for ourselves. We don’t fight for the Empire or the Rebellion. Joining one of those factions doesn’t really benefit our goals or us.
We force you into PvP for not playing by the rules. I didn’t design the game this way, so it isn’t my fault. This is what I’m intended to do. If you don’t want to be hunted, walk around public places with a blaster in your hand. Don’t wear Jedi robes. Don’t put a Jedi tag under your name. You should be aware of the consequences before you choose to take on the role of a Jedi. You are supposed to hide your abilities. My best friend is a fairly low-level Jedi padawan that’s yet to be hunted because he follows the rules.
SpunkyKuma wrote:
Perhaps it's fine that a Jedi can run into a faction base, but as far as I know BH vs Jedi locks you out of the GCW, which should ALSO lock you out of the bases- an overt Jedi that's being attacked by a BH cannot be helped by his fellow overt groupmates, so why should a base help him?
It does not lock you out of the GCW. It does lock you out of entering Private structures and some public ones. Faction Bases are part of the GCW and if you are overt you can go in and get him. He can't hide in there.
I am confused here. No PC is able to come out and kill you unless you are overt. So isn't that a 1 on 1? I know you can't be talking about NPC's when so many BH's use that to their advantage everyday to kill their mark. So plz help me understand. Bases are part of GCW. You stated here that the TEF should prevent any player from entering any structure that can restrict his hunter from following, hmmm, arrogance on your part to assume any time you attack there MUST be a battle and they are not allowed to escape, however, FACT is you CAN enter any base. I know I know you can't do it on your terms so this bothers you but you can enter if you wish. Next time go combatant or come overt up to you but Who said hunting Jedi was easy anyway?
Grimjakk wrote:
diepa wrote:
No contradiction, the screen shot just says he /report the jedi for abusing the TEF exploit, that is old and has been fixed, the CSR doesnt know what he is talking about. In any PvP Jedi/bh or normal PvP, the base is ALWAYS a safe haven. If you want to kill the player in the base, you have to go in and get them. God, the pissing and moaning from BH's never stop, he isnt in a house...you can get in the base. You chose to go on leave so you would not have to deal with npcs, the Jedi choose to go SF so he could enter the base if he needed too. No exploit....
Except that it circumvents the 1-on-1 nature of the bounty hunt itself... in the same way that having the names on the terms allowed bounty hunters to gang up on a Jedi. (And don't bring up the fact that one or two Jedi have reported 2-on-1's... the odds are WAY stacked against that happening.) To counter the base-sitter, the BHhas to either hunt same-faction or to take on the base AND the Jedi as an enemy combatant. Note, the only bases I'm seeing Jedi hide in are PvE bases. GCW Factionbases are PLAYER structures. They aren't random spawns. Theyare being placed near grinding points with just this situation in mind. Most BH's don't hunt same faction Jedi... whether through personal qualms or guild rules... so functionally they're no different than setting up a private house and exploiting the old TEF bug. (Or being able to pull out a dozen faction pets at a time... if the BH is combatant.)
I'm not saying its an exploit per se. But I am saying that its an "unintended consequence" of the way the GCW and the BH/J systems are intersecting here. If they're running SF and retreat to an SF base... I wouldn't have a problem with that. They've got more than just BH's to look out for in that case. But when I see this, every time so far, it's a Jedi running combatant and a PvE base.
In my opinion, a BH TEF should prevent a player from entering ANY structure that can restrict his hunter from following. I don't have a problem with a Jedi trying to kite a combatant enemy into a base full of NPC's as long as I can continue to attack the Jedi.
Message Edited by Grimjakk on 08-02-2005 08:18 AM
Message Edited by Corvett on 08-03-2005 08:22 AM
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
diepa wrote:
Corvett wrote:
daetalus wrote:
StormTroopercpt0 wrote:
Just got word that it was an exploit, CSR was by me and saw him in base, But Mark Logged out cowardly when he was about to get busted.So he was exploiting tef while i was onleave and he was combatant/sf.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs40&d=05312&f=factionbaseexploit.JPG
Message Edited by StormTroopercpt0 on 08-02-200512:07 AM
Funny how the CSR's contrict each other. I was told by a CSR that it was not exploiting for a SF jedi to run into a PVE/SF base while they were overt and the BH was onleave. The bases are not considered player structures b/c they are factional extensions. Even though they are placed by a player and take the base lots from a player, they arent really controled by the person who droped them.
P.S. how did you get a csr to log in to witness this? No ticket i have ever placed has ever called a csr to respond ingame.
QFE
I have had 4 different CSR's say different things way back when the PSG LS resists was an issue. Some said yes some said no, I even had one ask if there was even such a thing....lol
No contradiction, the screen shot just says he /report the jedi for abusing the TEF exploit, that is old and has been fixed, the CSR doesnt know what he is talking about. In any PvP Jedi/bh or normal PvP, the base is ALWAYS a safe haven. If you want to kill the player in the base, you have to go in and get them. God, the pissing and moaning from BH's never stop, he isnt in a house...you can get in the base. You chose to go on leave so you would not have to deal with npcs, the Jedi choose to go SF so he could enter the base if he needed too. No exploit....
Actually your both wrong,MY ticket said that the jedi Was Abusing BH TEF By going in and out Faction Base as Combatant/SF while i was onleave.IT is an EXPLOIT, He was abusing Tef, are you saying your word is over an CSRs? sorry bud but it isnt.
Now this is a funny statement. You are wrong, I spoke with a CSR and he told ne that it wasn't and that it is part of the GCW. CSR's contridict each other and that is my point.
Nathanielstarr wrote: Actually Vader hired the BHs in TESB to hunt Luke. Han Solo just happened to be there.
I notice you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Luke was not yet a Jedi during 'Empire' and had in fact barely begun the basics of training with Yoda at the time Vader announced the mark to the hunters.
Unless you're seriously trying to suggest that multiple elite Bounty Hunters should be sent after Padawans?
As for the whole "Jedi hiding in faction bases" thing - yes, it is exploiting the system to the Jedi's advantage. Much as using various roots, snares and paralysation effects on the Jedi is a way for Bounty Hunters to exploit the system to prevent them hiding in the first place.
For the last time, "exploiting the system as it is designed to function" is not bad, damn it. The issue is people who use things that are broken or unintended to their advantage
This is completely different from Jedi entering private structures to hide from a BH. You are able to enter a faction base if you need to. There is no broken game mechanic that prevents you from doing so. You are allowed to join either faction, or not, at your discretion. If you do not want to join a faction, do not hunt factioned marks.
A lot of you tell the Jedi that they signed up for PvP by becoming a Jedi. Well, they don't get to pick and choose who comes after them. If you're going to come after them as an opposite factioned hunter, they've every right to call in friendly reinforcements. Or run away. Or run away to find friendly reinforcements.
If you don't want to have the problem, choose a neutral or same faction mark, bring friends to take care of any reinforcements, or shut the hell up.
(And for the record, before some dipstick says anything, I AM NOT A JEDI.)
Message Edited by Mythor on 08-27-2005 09:23 PM