Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: PROPOSAL: Enhance Jedi vs. BH Gameplay -- Reward Jedi and Penalize BH's for defeat
Chriox
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:10 pm
#53
Not even saying they need to be evened out. I kind of like the fight against Jedi. It makes us use our full potential: To hunt them, hunt them some more, watch them, stalk them, and kill them. It makes it challenging, as opposed to a lot of other things about this game. If I didn't want a challenge, I could go cookie-cutter template on something else, or even stick to PvE.
I'm just saying his ideas could make the fight a lot more fun.
theEwokDude
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:12 pm
#54
This is the worst idea since Spandex. Like so many people have already mentioned, they professions aren't even on par with eachother. I'd go on but I think it has been covered how bad of an idea this is. Good use of paragraphs though.
Chriox
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:16 pm
#55
Ewok,
The professions may not be on par with one another, but you knew that when you went BH, right? Now, if they *were* on par with one another, EVERYBODY would be BH. "Hey, I need some quick cash. Lemme just go kill a couple Jedi so I can afford (x)." This would also cause the end of anything happening when we kill a Jedi (bye bye any thought of perma-death again, bye bye exp loss, bye bye FUN).
littlefish666666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:21 pm
#56
all i know is all you noob jedis dont get vis and if you know your gonna lose take it like a man/woman cause your the on that can show off when there isno risk then big mr.bh rolls up and ana ls you and you run away...... i might have had something else to say just blanked out if i do dont mindthedouble post
littlefish666666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:28 pm
#57
ohbuggah wrote
. BH Gaining Visibility and getting on the terms: If you get on the terminals from losing to a Jedi then so what. You get hunted by another BH and are inconvenienced for a couple of minutes. There are no penalties for PvP death and you do not lose XP. This pales in comparison to the Jedi's penalties for death.
2. BH Debt: If you lose to a BH and incur BH Debt then all you will get is reduced payouts for one or two missions until you dig yourself out of debt. This pales in comparison to the Jedi's penalties for death.
3. BH Maiming: a 10% debuff for 24 hours doesn't affect the typical combatant -- he won't even notice it. The only ones who care about being at 100% combat readiness are the elite hardcore PvP'ers who most likely will not die to a BH anyways. lol no this is not a joke im just tired and want to nerf my proffesion
lol bh debt so you get payed less then someone else would because you got killed before makes no sense
gaining vis still retart ed why get vis for doing your job jedis dont have to show off and for dying once you can potentially be killed again
umm... yea
Chriox
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:31 pm
#58
bikebum wrote:
The only reason I do a Jedi mission now is because I really don't have anything to lose by having some pvp fun.
LOL. This is the EXACT reason why my proposal is needed, and why the Jedi have a legitimate complaint: they have A LOT to lose, whilst the BH "(doesn't) have anything to lose" (paraphrased using your own words).
Bounty hunters have no penalties for losing. They should have some. The penalties I propose are very, very small.
1. BH Gaining Visibility and getting on the terms: If you get on the terminals from losing to a Jedi then so what. You get hunted by another BH and are inconvenienced for a couple of minutes. There are no penalties for PvP death and you do not lose XP. This pales in comparison to the Jedi's penalties for death.
2. BH Debt: If you lose to a BH and incur BH Debt then all you will get is reduced payouts for one or two missions until you dig yourself out of debt. This pales in comparison to the Jedi's penalties for death.
3. BH Maiming: a 10% debuff for 24 hours doesn't affect the typical combatant -- he won't even notice it. The only ones who care about being at 100% combat readiness are the elite hardcore PvP'ers who most likely will not die to a BH anyways.
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"Hey, I'm gonna go have some PvP fun, and kill a Jedi and make him re-grind for days. Oh? What if I lose? SO WHAT! Nothing happens to me, sans a couple minutes of time."
Besides, it takes usmaybe a couple of days to grind out to MBH. How long does it take a Jedi to get one skill box? We could have a whole tree (probably more) done by then.
Besides, it takes usmaybe a couple of days to grind out to MBH. How long does it take a Jedi to get one skill box? We could have a whole tree (probably more) done by then.
Think sensibly everyone. I know we all hate the Jedi with everything we possibly can. I know we all have a screenshot of a Jedi dead, by our hands as our background. Okay, maybe not. But if things stay the way they are, exp-loss completely is bound to be gone. THEN we can just run to the terminals and grab a mission for some good PvP fun.
Xalya_Shadowalker
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:31 pm
#59
littlefish666666 wrote:
lol bh debt so you get payed less then someone else would because you got killed before makes no sense
gaining vis still retart ed why get vis for doing your job jedis dont have to show off and for dying once you can potentially be killed again
umm... yea
Boba Fett gets paid more than Joe Schmoe BH because he doesn't suck.
Joe Schmoe BH gets paid less than Boba Fett because Mr. Schmoe fails half his missions and no one can count on him.
If Joe wants to get paid more, he does a good job. If he screws up and fails, people know and they'll pay him less because he's not as dependable.
Chriox
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:34 pm
#60
lol bh debt so you get payed less then someone else would because you got killed before makes no sense
gaining vis still retart ed why get vis for doing your job jedis dont have to show off and for dying once you can potentially be killed again
umm... yea
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Most Jedi don't just show off like retards to get visibility. Ever been grinding something out, when someone just wanders past you? Now, you're a Jedi, and screwed. That random hunter didn't necessarily mean to give you visibility, but he did nonetheless.
OhBuggah
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:40 pm
#61
theEwokDude wrote:
This is the worst idea since Spandex. Like so many people have already mentioned, they professions aren't even on par with eachother. I'd go on but I think it has been covered how bad of an idea this is. Good use of paragraphs though.
Yes the professions are not on par with each other, but the BH penalties I propose are equally not on par with the Jedi penalties. Jedi are 1.5 times stronger than us. I've hunted and killed many so I KNOW this to be true. This means you should win roughly twice out of every five encounters, correct? Thus a BH's penalties would never come near the Jedi's penalties every five fights -- which is fair and balanced since BH power is not on par with Jedi power.
I enjoy hunting Jedi and it's not that I've had a change of heart regarding their penalties. I truly believe that their massive XP loss uponBH deathjustifies the power they receive when their templates are complete. I just think that it's kind of bogus that nothing happens to me on failure. In fact if the fight lasts too long and I get bored I just let the Jedi kill me and laugh it off. The Jedi gets a huge boost to his ego for defeating me, but I just saw it as a quick way to get back to the starport and hunt the next Jedi.
littlefish666666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:50 pm
#62
jedi is not a hard grind yet ivenever grinded it but i have friends who have done it in less then a month or gained 6 or more lvls in a few hours and the person who is paying for the bounty says how much they are going to pay everyone so you do the mission which realisticly you wouldget the same money cause if you can kill a sploiting jedi or wait 2 days for the jedi to stop hiding in there house or get them when they arent cloaked then why couldnt you kill the person who is paying....i shouldnt have to type all this because you can stop fighting easily when someone passes by
noobs
Xalya_Shadowalker
Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:55 pm
#63
I agree with the 'its not hard to not gain visibility' part.
Everything else about grinding so quick? Not as quick these days without double-xp, but remember, everyone else has access to the same grinding techniques, which mean if a Jedi takes X hours to grind, then any other profession will take X / 200 hours to grind because Jedi get 1/5 the XP and have roughly 18 times the xp requirements.
And realistically, if you lost to a Jedi, you'd be dead and wouldn't get any money. Ever.
littlefish666666
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:03 pm
#64
they both did it with out double xp and jedi should take longer for a few reasons:
they can avoid incapitation which could even help them escape death
they have strong weapons mostly jediwith money or older jedis not the noobs
they can cloak so basically avoid the bh or anyone else
they can rez there self without having a rez ring
and yes normal people can rez there self but only like once a day and only 50 times
no normal prof can cloak but rm can cover but it can be broken and people can still see you
yea we can have strong weapons butyou have to pay alot for it
normals cant avoid incap
Xalya_Shadowalker
Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:11 pm
#65
littlefish666666 wrote:
they both did it with out double xp and jedi should take longer for a few reasons:
they can avoid incapitation which could even help them escape death --- HAHAHAHAHA.... I'm a MDef, if I use AI in PvP, its over, i've lost. The snare means AI just delays the inevitable and the massive force cost is a killer.
they have strong weapons mostly jediwith money or older jedis not the noobs ---- So everyone that could actually put up a fight doesnt get hurt by the xp loss anyways?
they can cloak so basically avoid the bh or anyone else --- Only the ones with 0400 Powers, and they sacrifice defense to get it.
they can rez there self without having a rez ring ----- Only master enhancers.
and yes normal people can rez there self but only like once a day and only 50 times
no normal prof can cloak but rm can cover but it can be broken and people can still see you
yea we can have strong weapons butyou have to pay alot for it ---- a Capped rifle costs 5m. A decent LS costs 50m and up.
normals cant avoid incap --- They wouldnt want to.