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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

We chose to play a profession that appealed to us for reasons having nothing at all to do with the game mechanics surrounding it... said game mechanics could be used to impose forced pvp on us by the immature BH's in the game, we knew that and we still felt that the pros outweighted the cons. The game mechanic was flawed, it's pretty clear to see that it didn't work just due to the animosity and anger that it generated, not to mention the constant whining to the devs about lack of balance. The game could have been fine if they had designed an opt-out to the player bounties... but the BH's didn't support that. This is why player bounties were eliminated... this is why BH's will soon only have NPC marks and special forces status as their only choices. Yet you still don't acknowledge that imposing forced pvp on others was a poor choice. Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

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You know...I can accept, and even agree with pretty much everything you say, except for the "imposing forced pvp" on others bit. You made your choice, you admitted it, and you made it with full knowledge, and you said that the pros of being a Jedi outweighed the cons. You willingly accepted that you could be hunted when you began your journey down the path of a Jedi. Yet you insist that pvp was forcibly imposed on you. Though it was obviously not forced on you, because you said yourself that you knew it was there, and you weighed the pros and cons and made a conscious decision to accept that it was a possibility. Its like saying you went to a restaurant and ordered a steak to get some protein in your diet. After weighing the pros and cons of eating red meat you went ahead and told the server to bring it to you. When it was placed in front of you, you consumed it but the flavor of meat was "forcibly imposed" on you.

You want to make an issue of the fact that BH's didn't have to take the missions. True, they made the choice to pull that mission from the terminal. But neither did you have to choose to put yourself in a situation where you could be the name on the mission. Just like BH's could have chosen to not hunt you and "forcibly impose" pvp on you, you could have also chosen not to be a Jedi and have the possibility looming over you. If you want to hand out servings of guilt over this issue, be sure to fill your own plate too.

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Being attackable and being subjected to forced pvp are two different things. If you were a Jedi in Test Center, the game mechanic was still there, just as in live, but the BH's didn't attack Jedi unless the Jedi consented to being hunted. And as a result, you had a much friendlier community than on any live server... so it wasn't the game mechanic, it was BH's willingness to use it on those who didn't care for pvp.

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Test Center is for testing the next publish, not for PvP'ing simply for the sake of pvp'ing. Anyone that knows anything about TC is aware of that unwritten standard of BH missions. It would hardly have been efficient for Jedi to be testing Jedi skills and whatnot if they had to fend off an attack every 20 minutes. Expecting players on a live server to follow that same standard, and not exercise their right to access a game feature, however much it may have been disliked by you, me, or whomever, is imposing a playstyle on them, just as much as you say they imposed pvp on you.

Those that didn't care for pvp (as well as those that did) made a choice when they unlocked Jedi. We all knew that it was a possibility, and we decided to go ahead and follow the path of the Jedi just the same. We all accepted that it was there, that it could, and probably would, happen. Now you're attempting to lay the responsibility for your choice to that commitment, and the possible consequences of gaining visibility, off on another player. Stating that they were imposing their playstyle on you. Again, I think your expectations that they should not hunt you, simply because you didn't want to be hunted, is as much of an imposition of playstyles as you say theirs was.

It seems as if your sense of entitlement makes you believe that you should have been able to break the rules of visibility without the consequences we all knew existed for it, and then blame the other players in the game for playing their game just like you were. If you didn't like the BH missions, why blame the BH's for it? They didn't code them into the game, they didn't forcibly impose a Jedi character on you, and they didn't make you use force powers in a manner that would get you enough visibility to be put on the terminals. Obviously SOE coded the game. But you, yourself, made the decision to be a Jedi, despite knowing that it had drawbacks to being one that you, apparently, greatly disliked. Its your own fault, Pussycat, that you were hunted. I'm sorry, but thats how it is.

As a matter of interest, and nothing more, if you were roleplaying your Jedi, why were you getting visibility? Roleplaying a Jedi during the time of the Empire should mean that you were going out of your way to stay out of sight and out of mind. Ala Obi-Wan in "A New Hope".

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Absolutely not true.. the test center server was there to test anything that might affect live players if new publishes had bugs or unintended effects... the best way to contribute to the test center was to go on doing most of the things you'd do in a live server... the only difference was that instead of using the player bounties to engage in forced pvp, the folks in the Test Center made player bounties into a consensual thing, eliminating forced pvp from the server and allowing the community to not be affected by the animosity and hatred that it created on live servers.

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Ok, I'm going to ask the question everyone here is dying to know. Who the hell cares about standards set in TC? Sure, it's there to test game mechanics. Why are you bringing up points based on a TC experience when everyone else is playing live? I'm sorry but we didn't have the same things you had on TC because...*gasp* you're on a TC! A controlled environment!

The farther this conversation goes on, the less sense you make to anyone.

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fyreblayd28 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There are no "real" BH's... everybody who had a BH toon could use it for pvp, pve, or both, and the choice doesn't make it any more or less "real".

Did you (BH'S who took Jedi missions) engage in pvp with players who did not want to pvp? YES No if you became a jedi you knew darn well there was PvP with BH's involved.
Did it ever bother you to engage in pvp with players who perhaps didn't care for it? NO Not at all cause once again you chose to be the elite class and all that came with it.
Did you feel it was OK because the game mechanics allowed you to get away with it? YES No I felt it was ok because that is what BH was about. That is what gave the best money. The best XP. You guys had the best of it. But you had to take the bad with it and it just burned you all up. You wanted to be untouchable GODS with no downside. We were your down side. Now you are going to be a normal profession and no one to blame but yourselves for it.
Would you do it again if you had the chance? YES YOU WOULD You bet your booties that every single one of us on this forum would.
Would it have killed you to ask for an opt-out option so that all of your marks would be Jedi who actually enjoyed being hunted? NO Actually that idea has been brough up numerous times. And it is still being brought up with the NGE. With the old system we did not want it because we did not want you to be the Alpha class with no down side. Like I have said we were what helped making your templates harder. That was what we were meant to do and why there was the BH vs. Jedi. We have even said that you should not lose xp but even that was not good enough. You did not want PVP then you should not have become a jedi plain and simple.

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Just because something is an end all class does not mean you had to become it. How many of us BH's do you think could have had the chance to be a jedi ten times over. You could have stayed out of PvP by not being a jedi. You became one then complained because you were hunted and you all knew that it would happen.

No matter what you say there kitten you are wrong. You are stuck up just like 90% of the jedi out there. You want it easy. Well now you got easy. Now you got your lame butt jedi in the NGE. I have played the BH in the TC and we are still a good prof. I tried jedi and let me tell you.......HAHAHA serves you all right for all the moaning.

You think it was just us that hated you? Go to every profession thread and look up jedi. Everyone hated you because you all cried like babies. You all complained because we could take the same persons missions and they changed that and you found something else. You hunted in places you could not even be attacked in and went AFK. Not all mind you but where do you think alot of our paddy kills came from.....that is righ Kash. You all found exploits and used them. We did not. We were smart. We waited, watched, stalked. Then when you were nearly out of force and nearly dead from fighting we would pounce. That is the mark of a good Bounty Hunter. Knowing your prey and waiting for them to be weak before you strike. Maybe you call it underhanded. I called it ......

My Job

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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fyreblayd28 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There are no "real" BH's... everybody who had a BH toon could use it for pvp, pve, or both, and the choice doesn't make it any more or less "real".

Did you (BH'S who took Jedi missions) engage in pvp with players who did not want to pvp? YES No if you became a jedi you knew darn well there was PvP with BH's involved.
Did it ever bother you to engage in pvp with players who perhaps didn't care for it? NO Not at all cause once again you chose to be the elite class and all that came with it.
Did you feel it was OK because the game mechanics allowed you to get away with it? YES No I felt it was ok because that is what BH was about. That is what gave the best money. The best XP. You guys had the best of it. But you had to take the bad with it and it just burned you all up. You wanted to be untouchable GODS with no downside. We were your down side. Now you are going to be a normal profession and no one to blame but yourselves for it.
Would you do it again if you had the chance? YES YOU WOULD You bet your booties that every single one of us on this forum would.
Would it have killed you to ask for an opt-out option so that all of your marks would be Jedi who actually enjoyed being hunted? NO Actually that idea has been brough up numerous times. And it is still being brought up with the NGE. With the old system we did not want it because we did not want you to be the Alpha class with no down side. Like I have said we were what helped making your templates harder. That was what we were meant to do and why there was the BH vs. Jedi. We have even said that you should not lose xp but even that was not good enough. You did not want PVP then you should not have become a jedi plain and simple.

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Just because something is an end all class does not mean you had to become it. How many of us BH's do you think could have had the chance to be a jedi ten times over. You could have stayed out of PvP by not being a jedi. You became one then complained because you were hunted and you all knew that it would happen.

No matter what you say there kitten you are wrong. You are stuck up just like 90% of the jedi out there. You want it easy. Well now you got easy. Now you got your lame butt jedi in the NGE. I have played the BH in the TC and we are still a good prof. I tried jedi and let me tell you.......HAHAHA serves you all right for all the moaning.

You think it was just us that hated you? Go to every profession thread and look up jedi. Everyone hated you because you all cried like babies. You all complained because we could take the same persons missions and they changed that and you found something else. You hunted in places you could not even be attacked in and went AFK. Not all mind you but where do you think alot of our paddy kills came from.....that is righ Kash. You all found exploits and used them. We did not. We were smart. We waited, watched, stalked. Then when you were nearly out of force and nearly dead from fighting we would pounce. That is the mark of a good Bounty Hunter. Knowing your prey and waiting for them to be weak before you strike. Maybe you call it underhanded. I called it ......

My Job

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What if auto insurance companies took on this "you chose this so you deserve that" mentallities.

You get into an accident, and when you file a claim, your insurance company tells you, "You knew full well the risks of driving, and that you could get into an accident... therefore, it's all on you. DEal with it!"

And yet still continued to charge the monthly premiums from you.

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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fyreblayd28 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There are no "real" BH's... everybody who had a BH toon could use it for pvp, pve, or both, and the choice doesn't make it any more or less "real".

Did you (BH'S who took Jedi missions) engage in pvp with players who did not want to pvp? YES No if you became a jedi you knew darn well there was PvP with BH's involved.
Did it ever bother you to engage in pvp with players who perhaps didn't care for it? NO Not at all cause once again you chose to be the elite class and all that came with it.
Did you feel it was OK because the game mechanics allowed you to get away with it? YES No I felt it was ok because that is what BH was about. That is what gave the best money. The best XP. You guys had the best of it. But you had to take the bad with it and it just burned you all up. You wanted to be untouchable GODS with no downside. We were your down side. Now you are going to be a normal profession and no one to blame but yourselves for it.
Would you do it again if you had the chance? YES YOU WOULD You bet your booties that every single one of us on this forum would.
Would it have killed you to ask for an opt-out option so that all of your marks would be Jedi who actually enjoyed being hunted? NO Actually that idea has been brough up numerous times. And it is still being brought up with the NGE. With the old system we did not want it because we did not want you to be the Alpha class with no down side. Like I have said we were what helped making your templates harder. That was what we were meant to do and why there was the BH vs. Jedi. We have even said that you should not lose xp but even that was not good enough. You did not want PVP then you should not have become a jedi plain and simple.

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Just because something is an end all class does not mean you had to become it. How many of us BH's do you think could have had the chance to be a jedi ten times over. You could have stayed out of PvP by not being a jedi. You became one then complained because you were hunted and you all knew that it would happen.

No matter what you say there kitten you are wrong. You are stuck up just like 90% of the jedi out there. You want it easy. Well now you got easy. Now you got your lame butt jedi in the NGE. I have played the BH in the TC and we are still a good prof. I tried jedi and let me tell you.......HAHAHA serves you all right for all the moaning.

You think it was just us that hated you? Go to every profession thread and look up jedi. Everyone hated you because you all cried like babies. You all complained because we could take the same persons missions and they changed that and you found something else. You hunted in places you could not even be attacked in and went AFK. Not all mind you but where do you think alot of our paddy kills came from.....that is righ Kash. You all found exploits and used them. We did not. We were smart. We waited, watched, stalked. Then when you were nearly out of force and nearly dead from fighting we would pounce. That is the mark of a good Bounty Hunter. Knowing your prey and waiting for them to be weak before you strike. Maybe you call it underhanded. I called it ......

My Job

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Roflmao, you lost any credibility with that phrase right there.

Gorik

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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JenniferAmidala wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

We chose to play a profession that appealed to us for reasons having nothing at all to do with the game mechanics surrounding it... said game mechanics could be used to impose forced pvp on us by the immature BH's in the game, we knew that and we still felt that the pros outweighted the cons. The game mechanic was flawed, it's pretty clear to see that it didn't work just due to the animosity and anger that it generated, not to mention the constant whining to the devs about lack of balance. The game could have been fine if they had designed an opt-out to the player bounties... but the BH's didn't support that. This is why player bounties were eliminated... this is why BH's will soon only have NPC marks and special forces status as their only choices. Yet you still don't acknowledge that imposing forced pvp on others was a poor choice. Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

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You know...I can accept, and even agree with pretty much everything you say, except for the "imposing forced pvp" on others bit. You made your choice, you admitted it, and you made it with full knowledge, and you said that the pros of being a Jedi outweighed the cons. You willingly accepted that you could be hunted when you began your journey down the path of a Jedi. Yet you insist that pvp was forcibly imposed on you. Though it was obviously not forced on you, because you said yourself that you knew it was there, and you weighed the pros and cons and made a conscious decision to accept that it was a possibility. Its like saying you went to a restaurant and ordered a steak to get some protein in your diet. After weighing the pros and cons of eating red meat you went ahead and told the server to bring it to you. When it was placed in front of you, you consumed it but the flavor of meat was "forcibly imposed" on you.

You want to make an issue of the fact that BH's didn't have to take the missions. True, they made the choice to pull that mission from the terminal. But neither did you have to choose to put yourself in a situation where you could be the name on the mission. Just like BH's could have chosen to not hunt you and "forcibly impose" pvp on you, you could have also chosen not to be a Jedi and have the possibility looming over you. If you want to hand out servings of guilt over this issue, be sure to fill your own plate too.

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Being attackable and being subjected to forced pvp are two different things. If you were a Jedi in Test Center, the game mechanic was still there, just as in live, but the BH's didn't attack Jedi unless the Jedi consented to being hunted. And as a result, you had a much friendlier community than on any live server... so it wasn't the game mechanic, it was BH's willingness to use it on those who didn't care for pvp.

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Test Center is for testing the next publish, not for PvP'ing simply for the sake of pvp'ing. Anyone that knows anything about TC is aware of that unwritten standard of BH missions. It would hardly have been efficient for Jedi to be testing Jedi skills and whatnot if they had to fend off an attack every 20 minutes. Expecting players on a live server to follow that same standard, and not exercise their right to access a game feature, however much it may have been disliked by you, me, or whomever, is imposing a playstyle on them, just as much as you say they imposed pvp on you.

Those that didn't care for pvp (as well as those that did) made a choice when they unlocked Jedi. We all knew that it was a possibility, and we decided to go ahead and follow the path of the Jedi just the same. We all accepted that it was there, that it could, and probably would, happen. Now you're attempting to lay the responsibility for your choice to that commitment, and the possible consequences of gaining visibility, off on another player. Stating that they were imposing their playstyle on you. Again, I think your expectations that they should not hunt you, simply because you didn't want to be hunted, is as much of an imposition of playstyles as you say theirs was.

It seems as if your sense of entitlement makes you believe that you should have been able to break the rules of visibility without the consequences we all knew existed for it, and then blame the other players in the game for playing their game just like you were. If you didn't like the BH missions, why blame the BH's for it? They didn't code them into the game, they didn't forcibly impose a Jedi character on you, and they didn't make you use force powers in a manner that would get you enough visibility to be put on the terminals. Obviously SOE coded the game. But you, yourself, made the decision to be a Jedi, despite knowing that it had drawbacks to being one that you, apparently, greatly disliked. Its your own fault, Pussycat, that you were hunted. I'm sorry, but thats how it is.

As a matter of interest, and nothing more, if you were roleplaying your Jedi, why were you getting visibility? Roleplaying a Jedi during the time of the Empire should mean that you were going out of your way to stay out of sight and out of mind. Ala Obi-Wan in "A New Hope".

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Absolutely not true.. the test center server was there to test anything that might affect live players if new publishes had bugs or unintended effects... the best way to contribute to the test center was to go on doing most of the things you'd do in a live server... the only difference was that instead of using the player bounties to engage in forced pvp, the folks in the Test Center made player bounties into a consensual thing, eliminating forced pvp from the server and allowing the community to not be affected by the animosity and hatred that it created on live servers.

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Ok, I'm going to ask the question everyone here is dying to know. Who the hell cares about standards set in TC? Sure, it's there to test game mechanics. Why are you bringing up points based on a TC experience when everyone else is playing live? I'm sorry but we didn't have the same things you had on TC because...*gasp* you're on a TC! A controlled environment!

The farther this conversation goes on, the less sense you make to anyone.

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pussycat wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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Nah, I'm sure we'll forget about forced pvp pretty soon after the player bounties are gone.

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Dlek_Krego wrote:

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

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Cerosis wrote:

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Grimjakk wrote:

Nevertheless... Jedi were PvP characters. There's only one person rationalizing anything here. If you didn't want to PvP, there were still many professions that your Force Sensitive skills could have benefitted you in.

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As I said, there were many opt out options for Jedi themselves so that they didn't have to PvP:
1. Drop Jedi skills. Pick up CM 4/0/0/0, Master Fencer, Master swordsman and you have the same look, just your sword doesn't glow.

2. Delete your character. There you go, no more PvP to have to worry about.

3. Keep your jedi offline except for RPG experiences. Don't hunt with him/her, don't kill things.

4. DON'T GET ON THE TERMINALS. I can't emphisize this enough. If you don't get on the terminals you WILL NOT GET HUNTED. PERIOD.

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You are a little bit behind the times... come Nov. 15th, we can enjoy the game any way we want AND WE WILL NOT GET HUNTED! PERIOD!

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Notice the tense I wrote in, please. And yes... I imagine you'll be able to "enjoy" the game just fine... as long as you don't mind not being able to solo even con creatures with your newly spayed and neutered Jedi.

But this is my last post here. 4 accounts canceled.

Good night, Gracie.

Message Edited by Grimjakk on 11-10-2005 10:17 PM

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Yes, I will enjoy the game just fine, I never cared to be "uber" and I will definitely appreciate the peace and tranquility of being able to play without the trigger-happy yahoos wanting to engage in forced pvp all the time.

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You say that word like it's imprinted on your soul, always there, a chip on your shoulder.

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is it as much of a chip as "jedi is a PVP profession." is?

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North2Chilastra wrote:

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fyreblayd28 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There are no "real" BH's... everybody who had a BH toon could use it for pvp, pve, or both, and the choice doesn't make it any more or less "real".

Did you (BH'S who took Jedi missions) engage in pvp with players who did not want to pvp? YES No if you became a jedi you knew darn well there was PvP with BH's involved.
Did it ever bother you to engage in pvp with players who perhaps didn't care for it? NO Not at all cause once again you chose to be the elite class and all that came with it.
Did you feel it was OK because the game mechanics allowed you to get away with it? YES No I felt it was ok because that is what BH was about. That is what gave the best money. The best XP. You guys had the best of it. But you had to take the bad with it and it just burned you all up. You wanted to be untouchable GODS with no downside. We were your down side. Now you are going to be a normal profession and no one to blame but yourselves for it.
Would you do it again if you had the chance? YES YOU WOULD You bet your booties that every single one of us on this forum would.
Would it have killed you to ask for an opt-out option so that all of your marks would be Jedi who actually enjoyed being hunted? NO Actually that idea has been brough up numerous times. And it is still being brought up with the NGE. With the old system we did not want it because we did not want you to be the Alpha class with no down side. Like I have said we were what helped making your templates harder. That was what we were meant to do and why there was the BH vs. Jedi. We have even said that you should not lose xp but even that was not good enough. You did not want PVP then you should not have become a jedi plain and simple.

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Just because something is an end all class does not mean you had to become it. How many of us BH's do you think could have had the chance to be a jedi ten times over. You could have stayed out of PvP by not being a jedi. You became one then complained because you were hunted and you all knew that it would happen.

No matter what you say there kitten you are wrong. You are stuck up just like 90% of the jedi out there. You want it easy. Well now you got easy. Now you got your lame butt jedi in the NGE. I have played the BH in the TC and we are still a good prof. I tried jedi and let me tell you.......HAHAHA serves you all right for all the moaning.

You think it was just us that hated you? Go to every profession thread and look up jedi. Everyone hated you because you all cried like babies. You all complained because we could take the same persons missions and they changed that and you found something else. You hunted in places you could not even be attacked in and went AFK. Not all mind you but where do you think alot of our paddy kills came from.....that is righ Kash. You all found exploits and used them. We did not. We were smart. We waited, watched, stalked. Then when you were nearly out of force and nearly dead from fighting we would pounce. That is the mark of a good Bounty Hunter. Knowing your prey and waiting for them to be weak before you strike. Maybe you call it underhanded. I called it ......

My Job

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Roflmao, you lost any credibility with that phrase right there.

Gorik

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Mystix17 wrote:

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pussycat wrote:

There are no "real" BH's... everybody who had a BH toon could use it for pvp, pve, or both, and the choice doesn't make it any more or less "real".

Did you (BH'S who took Jedi missions) engage in pvp with players who did not want to pvp? YES No if you became a jedi you knew darn well there was PvP with BH's involved.
Did it ever bother you to engage in pvp with players who perhaps didn't care for it? NO Not at all cause once again you chose to be the elite class and all that came with it.
Did you feel it was OK because the game mechanics allowed you to get away with it? YES No I felt it was ok because that is what BH was about. That is what gave the best money. The best XP. You guys had the best of it. But you had to take the bad with it and it just burned you all up. You wanted to be untouchable GODS with no downside. We were your down side. Now you are going to be a normal profession and no one to blame but yourselves for it.
Would you do it again if you had the chance? YES YOU WOULD You bet your booties that every single one of us on this forum would.
Would it have killed you to ask for an opt-out option so that all of your marks would be Jedi who actually enjoyed being hunted? NO Actually that idea has been brough up numerous times. And it is still being brought up with the NGE. With the old system we did not want it because we did not want you to be the Alpha class with no down side. Like I have said we were what helped making your templates harder. That was what we were meant to do and why there was the BH vs. Jedi. We have even said that you should not lose xp but even that was not good enough. You did not want PVP then you should not have become a jedi plain and simple.

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Just because something is an end all class does not mean you had to become it. How many of us BH's do you think could have had the chance to be a jedi ten times over. You could have stayed out of PvP by not being a jedi. You became one then complained because you were hunted and you all knew that it would happen.

No matter what you say there kitten you are wrong. You are stuck up just like 90% of the jedi out there. You want it easy. Well now you got easy. Now you got your lame butt jedi in the NGE. I have played the BH in the TC and we are still a good prof. I tried jedi and let me tell you.......HAHAHA serves you all right for all the moaning.

You think it was just us that hated you? Go to every profession thread and look up jedi. Everyone hated you because you all cried like babies. You all complained because we could take the same persons missions and they changed that and you found something else. You hunted in places you could not even be attacked in and went AFK. Not all mind you but where do you think alot of our paddy kills came from.....that is righ Kash. You all found exploits and used them. We did not. We were smart. We waited, watched, stalked. Then when you were nearly out of force and nearly dead from fighting we would pounce. That is the mark of a good Bounty Hunter. Knowing your prey and waiting for them to be weak before you strike. Maybe you call it underhanded. I called it ......

My Job

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What if auto insurance companies took on this "you chose this so you deserve that" mentallities.

You get into an accident, and when you file a claim, your insurance company tells you, "You knew full well the risks of driving, and that you could get into an accident... therefore, it's all on you. DEal with it!"

And yet still continued to charge the monthly premiums from you.

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I fail to see how this applies to the topic at hand.

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It applies to the topic at hand because it's a perfect analogy for your rationalization of forced pvp.

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pussycat wrote:

We chose to said game meplay a profession that appealed to us for reasons having nothing at all to do with the game mechanics surrounding it... chanics could be used to impose forced pvp on us by the immature BH's in the game, we knew that and we still felt that the pros outweighted the cons. The game mechanic was flawed, it's pretty clear to see that it didn't work just due to the animosity and anger that it generated, not to mention the constant whining to the devs about lack of balance. The game could have been fine if they had designed an opt-out to the player bounties... but the BH's didn't support that. This is why player bounties were eliminated... this is why BH's will soon only have NPC marks and special forces status as their only choices. Yet you still don't acknowledge that imposing forced pvp on others was a poor choice. Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

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Oh had to get this one too. You bought the game correct? You paid to play the game correct? You did not mind the game till jedi correct? Well you are paying to play by the game mechanics set forth by the company that made the game. You can not pick and choose what to have in the class. You wanted to RP a jedi with nothing fighting you then you should have gone out and bought the table top RPG Star Wars where you could have that. You took the jedi here and all that came with it within the game mechanics. You can not blame us for playing our class as it was supposed to be played. The empire wanted your light extinguished from the galaxy. We were the enforcers that got paid good money for it too. Yeah I saw alot of those same jedi that all complained about being hunted. You know where I saw them? At the front of a huge attack force when they had thier dual masters. They did not want to be in PvP till thier template was complete because they lost xp and it was a pain in the butt. You said it yourself the pros out weighed the cons. You knew we were part of the cons and you still took it. You have no right to complain. Your class is nerfed. Ours lost one thing. Jedi hunting. We are still great killers. I will miss the hunts because it was exciting. But I will not miss the hate tells made by the jedi afterwards. I will not miss hate tells from his friends and guild. I will not miss being bashed on the boards. I will still enjoy myself. Now you will be weak. You can RP your butt too. We can RP and we will still be strong. Think all in all and when all is said and done.....

WE WIN