Bounty Hunter Archive

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I think on average we have more to lose than the jedi because the full templates while they do lose experience the loss doesn't mean anything since their template is finished. Even if they want to change their template most of the full template jedi I know are all experience capped so its nothing to them.

Now what do we lose? Well lightsabers devour our armor....and good armor is hard to come by (since all the AS either quit or went Jedi) not to mention our best weapons condition. I've lost 10000 condition on an ubese helmet before in one fight with a jedi because these fights can go on for over an hour.

So while it's true that the xp loss for less than full template jedi still hurts them....I haven't fought anything less than a full template in 2 weeks and Ive taken about 12 jedi missions in that time. I'm starting to think that every jedi has finished their template.

Bring on the flames

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well this is what makes the economy flow a bit...

but perhaps the condition damage should be toned down just at little bit...

if i'm battling a 1 chevron boss mark, i'm cl 62, he's cl 69... my psg have taken nearly half it's condition in damage after the fight...

so i use my 99% repair kit, and get the usual "you have only managed to repair it a little", meaning that my condition has been reduced, and my armor been repared a bit... 2-3 boss marks, and it's a new psg for me... and that's not including other armor pieces...

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littlefish666666 wrote:
first thing spend 16 mil on armor second thing why should we get peniliazed for dying when its the jedi's fault they are on the terms since they can now hunt with out group members giving vis no excuse and before that you can grind byyourself

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Runner up for 'Retard post of the year!'

have you ever tried to solo something post-CU?
The Force bar regens at an extremely slow rate. Killing something to get exp will use up a lot of force. Not every jedi has channel or meditate.

on top of that, accidents happen.
You can be out in the middle of no-where and yea, someone will blast by on a speeder. sabers cant be turned on/off at will, it takes time thus gaining vis. What about random NPC's that spawn on top of you?
No Group vis is a good thing but vis can still be generated. someone decides they need to leave and drop group immediatly during a fight/whatever giving vis. or those that are meeting up to group. instead of stopping a short distance aways and waiting for group invite, they blast straight there giving vis.

Okay.... is it me, or is it retarded in here. First of all, to the thread starter.... WHO CARES. You are doing nothing but encouraging more arguments to widen the gap in player base.

Also, someone said that SWG Jedi are about as far from SW movie jedi as a Nuna is from a Krayt dragon..... in fact that is kind of true... since Krayts aren't even Krayts.... they are supposed to have like 6 legs and live UNDER the sand most of the time.

However.... compare SWG Jedi differences with the differences of other things in game and you will see that a MLS / MDef with some enhancer or powers is actually very similar to movies as far as their styles go. Now take Smuggler for instance, if Han was a SWG Smuggler he could have used concussion shot to EASILY stall the baddies. Any time they got in danger. Also, a charecter being able to EASILY solo an AT-ST is about as far from the movies as you can get.

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Vcardossk wrote:

Funny thing is you don't "need" these stuff to win.

Boba fett in the EU books always took pride in his equipment and made damn sure he had the best of what he needed to do his job and kept everything in tip top shape.

Others who spent less and didn't take care of equipment were successful, but nothing compared to him.

And we're not forcing you to attack, that's always been the bh's choice. Therefore this argument is pointless.

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Sometimes younot only "need" this stuff to win, but even with all the uber foods, armor, spice, weapons you will STILL lose to an experienced full template jedi.

1. NOT THE EU (therefore argument is flawed)

2. We are not Bobba/Jango Fett and can't be.... if we were, we'd have wristflame throwers, be able to shoot a jedi dead in a few shots (balcony scene EP II), launch rockets off of our backs, and hunt in groups /hunt in JTL(Bobba Fett firing at Obi-Wan from Slave 1 [KSE Firespray] in EP II).

Agreed!!!

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Mirthain wrote:

I think it's funny that the Force Monkey's get upset when we compare losing credits to losing XP.

Of course the difference is that we at least support other professions when we lose (which is why I don't ADK my stuff) as opposed to them.

And of course, doing so many group missions with the payout being like the XP, full pay for each member, they are making credit's hand over fist.

Force Monkey's lose XP, we lose items/credits. Looks fair to me.

-Talen-

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romanbeef wrote:

I think that the OP idea is a bit moot.

for one, Bounty Hunters are the ones who DECIDE to initiate combat with a jedi. A jedi can not do that.

its not anyones fault but your own for it getting damaged.

Jedi are forced to be hunted. That is a plain fact and agree with it 100%.

If your armor loss upsets you then maybe deciding not to engage a target that will damge it may be your solution.

It all falls in your hands on whether you want your armor damaged or not. If the foods you buy are worth it.

You are the ones initiating all of it. You took the mission. So expect your armor to get worn a bit.

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

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Eldrikk wrote:

Not a very bright remark considering that you dont lose armor condition on pvp, unless you are triple incapped and if you do then explain to me why my PSG didnt lose one condition point while fighting a Jedi?

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Your armor loses condition when you fight jedi. It loses condition rapidly and repairs seldom work these days. Also psgs do not protect against lightsabers so therefore they do not lose any condition.

In fact you don't lose condition in pvp from a triple incap anymore either....

I made this post because I'm sick of Jedi acting like we lose nothing and take no risks and I do feel the tables are turned in that respect when we fight full templates which these days IS the majority of the time.

Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 08-21-200510:53 PM

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Hello McFly.... PSGs no longer guard against Light Saber... they are only good against RANGED energy damage.

Message Edited by Algren_Earth-Stormer on 08-22-2005 02:32 AM

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I think on average we have more to lose than the jedi because the full templates while they do lose experience the loss doesn't mean anything since their template is finished. Even if they want to change their template most of the full template jedi I know are all experience capped so its nothing to them.

Now what do we lose? Well lightsabers devour our armor....and good armor is hard to come by (since all the AS either quit or went Jedi) not to mention our best weapons condition. I've lost 10000 condition on an ubese helmet before in one fight with a jedi because these fights can go on for over an hour.

So while it's true that the xp loss for less than full template jedi still hurts them....I haven't fought anything less than a full template in 2 weeks and Ive taken about 12 jedi missions in that time. I'm starting to think that every jedi has finished their template.

Bring on the flames

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Yes, the terms are 90% full templates at least since grinding Jedi can grind and not get on the terms (and most think doing so is a smart choice).
Xp loss is xp loss and has the same effect on a full template than it has on a grinding Jedi - the Jedi either has to grind out of a hole wasting time doing so, or he already grinding and now that grinding time is wasted because the xp gained in the time is taken away. The only time that it doesnt affect a Jedi is when he already is at negative 10 million because he doesnt lose anymore (although this seems to be bugged for some Jedi and they still lose xp). Some Jedi say they dont care about xp loss because they wont ever change their template again, but those are the same Jedi who cry and want their negative xp reset to zero as soon as one of their skills is balanced (read: nerfed) and they want to change templates. The second FRS will be turned on you will see a lot of those posts on the Jedi forum.

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

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Yoshiyuki wrote:

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I think on average we have more to lose than the jedi because the full templates while they do lose experience the loss doesn't mean anything since their template is finished. Even if they want to change their template most of the full template jedi I know are all experience capped so its nothing to them.

Now what do we lose? Well lightsabers devour our armor....and good armor is hard to come by (since all the AS either quit or went Jedi) not to mention our best weapons condition. I've lost 10000 condition on an ubese helmet before in one fight with a jedi because these fights can go on for over an hour.

So while it's true that the xp loss for less than full template jedi still hurts them....I haven't fought anything less than a full template in 2 weeks and Ive taken about 12 jedi missions in that time. I'm starting to think that every jedi has finished their template.

Bring on the flames

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I can buy a full suit of ubese 7150 engery 43k cond for 350k on Lowca, armor break slice cost me 600k(that was before the Elite BH mission and loot drops I'm sure this is much lower now)

8000 engery resist is not worth the extra money 2% resits is meaningless whne your taking 350k or 2,000k for a set of armor that will break.

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Well armor seems hard to find on my server....and what about your attachments etc..and even health modifiers in your armor? Also some of the other items needed to slice for armorbreak are still difficult to come by.

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Does not concern me. The cost of attachments and health inhancers + the fact armor breaks too quick do not justifiy the cost.

V=Vendor search Shock absorber and Reactive Micro I see stuff as low as 50k on Lowca. for 300k you can armor break slice your 3 main pieces of armor

You know, it's hard to have a reasonable talk on these forums, since the most vocal participants in any discussion ride the short bus to school.

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romanbeef wrote:

I think that the OP idea is a bit moot.

for one, Bounty Hunters are the ones who DECIDE to initiate combat with a jedi. A jedi can not do that.

its not anyones fault but your own for it getting damaged.

Jedi are forced to be hunted. That is a plain fact and agree with it 100%.

If your armor loss upsets you then maybe deciding not to engage a target that will damge it may be your solution.

It all falls in your hands on whether you want your armor damaged or not. If the foods you buy are worth it.

You are the ones initiating all of it. You took the mission. So expect your armor to get worn a bit.

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Agreed. But also.......

Jedi are the ones who decide to become an Initiate. It's not anyones fault but your own for taking that path (which you knew would lead to BH pvp)

No one forced you to be a jedi, but by becoming a jedi you accept that possibility that you will be engaged in PvP (similar to accepting the upgrade to SF). Further more, it is completely your choice when and how you use your force abilities. So it is your own fault if you get Viz. If you decide to power grind or heal somone in a starport... then you have just made that choice (Yes sir, I'm certain I would like to go Special Forces). No one forced that on you.

If your xp loss upsets you, then maybe deciding not to engage in a proffesion that can have unexptected PvP may be your solution

You became a Jedi. So expect your toon to get hunted a bit.

Message Edited by Algren_Earth-Stormer on 08-22-2005 02:32 AM

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Did I once complain about getting hunted? Your posting to something that really makes no sense to the OP. The OP was griping about losing armor and how he had more to lose. I told him the truth.

Your response had nothing to do with anything but to try and come up with something clever in response to it.

Look at my history. I never gripe about being hunted. You also colorized the parts you wanted to answer. not the whole response.

so in essence, you just proved my point on how correct I am.

and so you do not misunderstand what I was saying.

I know what I did when I became a jedi. Apparently if a bounty Hunter complains about losing armor. then well we say that they should have known that when they got into the business.

again, if you don't want to lose armor, don't attack anyone who will damage it. otherwise just get used to it. it's part of being a bounty hunter. its the profession you chose. So yoyu actually have a good choice. Stay the course or drop Bh and take a less damaging profession like pistoleer, or rifleman where you can fight NPCs.

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Nathanielstarr wrote:

I think on average we have more to lose than the jedi because the full templates while they do lose experience the loss doesn't mean anything since their template is finished. Even if they want to change their template most of the full template jedi I know are all experience capped so its nothing to them.

Now what do we lose? Well lightsabers devour our armor....and good armor is hard to come by (since all the AS either quit or went Jedi) not to mention our best weapons condition. I've lost 10000 condition on an ubese helmet before in one fight with a jedi because these fights can go on for over an hour.

So while it's true that the xp loss for less than full template jedi still hurts them....I haven't fought anything less than a full template in 2 weeks and Ive taken about 12 jedi missions in that time. I'm starting to think that every jedi has finished their template.

Bring on the flames

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ROFL.... haha, funny guy. Keep them coming.