Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: So, why are kinetic weapons best
Enove_TF
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:39 pm
#27
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but BH mission looted Reinforced Casings are presumably bugged atm, as they don't seem to drop in stacks of 6 or more.
BloodMonk
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:43 pm
#28
ffs you moron did you see me mention 300DPS?
LEARN HOW TO READ
and stop posting your nonsense
blckrain
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:03 pm
#29
/GrabsaGlassOfColdWaterAndThrowsItOnBothOfYou
damn, chill out both of you. I appreciate the info but really do we need to have a pissing contest like this? I mean, when it comes to weapons it is a lot of hard work and determination to collect the resources that make a weapon but in the end a monkey with resources and loot items could make the weapon you both tout on about. The weaponsmith plays near no role in the outcome of the weapon other than collecting the crap to make it. And don’t start with the BS I can see right through it. WS was my first profession and I have never given it up. Do I make the most ***insertSomeChildishAcronymHere*** weapons ever possible... no but I do work hard and have fun. Stop with the pissing and get down to details and facts. Back the facts up with intelligent conversation and we will all benefit from this thread.
Thank you
BloodMonk
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:13 pm
#30
seems you can't even keep pistols from rifles/carbines....let me put it this way...
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a min dmg of approximately 360
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a max dmg of approximately 770 prior to being enhanced
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a low end sac of approximately 76
any somewhat decent WS can cap (or come close to) SAC on ASSEMBLY
any decent player also knows casings NEVER drop in a stack of 6
know let me slowly explain:
carbines take stocks
stocks can be crafted for up to -25sac
high -sac stock + sac exp. abph + sac exp barrel will cap sac on most rifles/carbines
BUT as this is a czerka, and since casing DO NOT drop in stacks of 6 (so you need to use shards) you might not be able to do it on this one (not gonna take too many points to cap it though)
the sac capped unenhanced scatter came out
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=setandget&tp=326123&poll_id=0&category_id=19&warned=y
sly
BloodMonk
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:00 am
#31
ok here we go to prove your ignorance.....
-average damage is min+max/2 and if you havent figured it out yet it determines the actual damage of your weapon.. unlike the days of old where it actually did hit randomly
-since they all have the same pre enhanced average dmg and you cannot raise the minimum dmg (and craft a decent weapon) thru enhancements....
average damage MEANS NOTHING, the damage you hit for depends on your acc vs his defense, when your acc= his defense then and only then will you hit a this avg. damage
also as you seem to think weapons need crappy sac you sure as hell can boost min damage by experimenting on damage on the comps....someone aiming for a decent, sac capped weapon however will not do this.
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a min dmg of approximately 360
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a max dmg of approximately 770 prior to being enhanced
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a low end sac of approximately 79
79 sac is not decent nor wel made you noob, no use trying to boost damage when you wont have any action to shoot it......
MINI POINT#3 - for the love of god know your weapon slice caps cuz most smugglers dont know what they are doing..and as you can see above slicing this weapon for dmg can be a total waste....ALWAYS CRIT SLICE you can do it and only it 3xs for a 10% crit chance...otherwise if you must slice for damage cap dmg then do crit and only do a speed slice if you have the customization points left after dmg is capped and you cant get another crit slice
most smugglers hate ignorant customers like you.....slices are VERY situational, there is no one single best slice you idiot....a crit slice adds appr. 2.5% damage (over a longer period of time), so in most if not all cases people will prefer speedslices
-featherweightFWG5's have a sac cap of 65, as with all pistols
-featherweightFWG5's can and should be made using advanced scopes from bh drops to make the accuracy mod even higher than 15 (defualt)
-a perfect featherweightFWG5 would be 360-966dmg (200+max dmg enhanced) sac 78-80 minus your reinforced casing enhancement
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH PERFECT = 78-80 SAC you sure YOU are not the one finding this crap on the bazaar?
a PERFECT f FWG5 wiill be 360-966dmg, 65 sac then sliced to the speedcap, effectively tripple capping it....
depending on the WS this ccan already be done with +180 -0.79 -8sac casings
-POINT#3 featherweightFWG5's will cap at an average KINETIC damage value of 661(ish) when made to perfection with one reinforced casing of 190ish max damage but fall slightly short of of the sac cap of 65. (to cap the sac get a bigger casing or drop the dmg)
190 dam. ahahahahahahahah, and again, listing avg damage is useless
FUN FACT SET #4 (CZERKA DART CARBINE)
-czerka dart carbine's can be made using weaponsmith crafted advanced rifle stocks, therefore making capping sac extremely easy if you know what your doing
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a min dmg of approximately 360
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a max dmg of approximately 770 prior to being enhanced
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a low end sac of approximately 76
any somewhat decent WS can cap (or come close to) SAC on ASSEMBLY
any decent player also knows casings NEVER drop in a stack of 6
NOTE: all of these weapons are assuming no powerup and crit slices which i prefer but it is key to note that you could still dmg slice them to raise the lower value 12% effectively giving a 3-4% average dmg boost...again choose what you like but a couple lucky crits can get a jedi on his back faster than anything
hey clueless...untill further notice the SPEED slice is 12%, damage slice is 8%
now, it nice of you the spew all these errors while claiming to be all knowing.....totally ignoring the fact that all these weapons will suck when fighting defenders....vs. defenders min. and elemental damage is ALL that counts, and my ol' pre-curb rep. blaster will even outdamage a double capped FWG on defenders....
try again
sly
runatic
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:11 am
#33
first the easy oneit wasnt an exploit .. they dropped, i used it , they fixed it.. do some research
kettmalice
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:12 am
#34
runatic wrote:
dude im not playing show me your d ick ill show you mine.. i told you search the forums... youll see that i was making weapons that sold on auctions for long long after i quit... i had 140dm unserialized schems and you will also find old posts that refer to them as well...just carry over to the weaponsmith forums and catch up on the game as it id played nowif you want to know about me .. use the main page and do a historical search for brayn.. i dont give a crap about you,... i can tell you and your weapons suck by what your saying, all i need to know
In other words he just said...
Hey cindy do you know what dreop (not a word) means? Yes I do charlie,
Well cindy whats it mean, im not going to tell you charile because you dont know what it means.
Dude lmao why dont you post something, or use the forum account your talking about. Or are you just saying something about a dude that quit awhile back and yoru gonna say that was you LMAO.
Your right dude, a Dx2 made with Exceptional Tissue, and Exceptional Barrel, and 34% dmg sliced sucks ass. 500 w/powerup is godly for a Dx2, and the Jawa I made ( will post pics when I get home form work) with legendary tissue and an exceptional barrel, I bet it sucks too huh.
kettmalice
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:16 am
#35
Okay then just explain this then, about the acc on the weapons IT DOESNT WORK so what do you have to say about that. Wow dude newbs look at his post and are like omg cool this guy is awesome, people that know something about it are like omg retard.
runatic
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:29 am
#36
ok here we go to prove your ignorance.....
-average damage is min+max/2 and if you havent figured it out yet it determines the actual damage of your weapon.. unlike the days of old where it actually did hit randomly
-since they all have the same pre enhanced average dmg and you cannot raise the minimum dmg (and craft a decent weapon) thru enhancements....
average damage MEANS NOTHING, the damage you hit for depends on your acc vs his defense, when your acc= his defense then and only then will you hit a this avg. damage
***true, but those values are set, and you cannot change them once the battle starts, i am saying kinetic is better against sheild users
also as you seem to think weapons need crappy sac you sure as hell can boost min damage by experimenting on damage on the comps....someone aiming for a decent, sac capped weapon however will not do this.
***the stats i feel are the goal stats are as i said and i agree.. cap sac and cap dmg whenever possible.. however with thenonenhancedffwg5 or anyother pistol this is nearly impossible as im sure you know
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a min dmg of approximately 360
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a max dmg of approximately 770 prior to being enhanced
-featherweightFWG5's when made well, have a low end sac of approximately 79
79 sac is not decent nor wel made you noob, no use trying to boost damage when you wont have any action to shoot it......
***reading comprehension again - im not saying i would use this pistol against a jedi im saying its preenhanced...ie.. add a very good casing 180dmg and -10sac and you have a capped weapon with 8 pts in dmg and 4 in effeciency.. but keep trying (comprehension is yhour friend)
MINI POINT#3 - for the love of god know your weapon slice caps cuz most smugglers dont know what they are doing..and as you can see above slicing this weapon for dmg can be a total waste....ALWAYS CRIT SLICE you can do it and only it 3xs for a 10% crit chance...otherwise if you must slice for damage cap dmg then do crit and only do a speed slice if you have the customization points left after dmg is capped and you cant get another crit slice
most smugglers hate ignorant customers like you.....slices are VERY situational, there is no one single best slice you idiot....a crit slice adds appr. 2.5% damage (over a longer period of time), so in most if not all cases people will prefer speedslices
**speed slices are a joke...try again
do some research youll see.. dont believe what your eyes are telling .. speed slice a weapon then crit slice an identical one then go shoot some stuff with your favorite macro and post the results.. but wait you wont.. cuz youll see im right.. and dont say situational blah blah blah cuz dmg is dmg unless you can tell us all of how you performed the perfect 0.0125 second click to root just intim to save yourself and then knockdown in 0.0123 followed by the 0.232 deathblow...stop bsing people
-featherweightFWG5's have a sac cap of 65, as with all pistols
-featherweightFWG5's can and should be made using advanced scopes from bh drops to make the accuracy mod even higher than 15 (defualt)
-a perfect featherweightFWG5 would be 360-966dmg (200+max dmg enhanced) sac 78-80 minus your reinforced casing enhancement
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH PERFECT = 78-80 SAC you sure YOU are not the one finding this crap on the bazaar?
*** once again see the point above reading comprehension is your friend get your liittle sister to sit down with her elmo book.. its a good starting point
a PERFECT f FWG5 wiill be 360-966dmg, 65 sac then sliced to the speedcap, effectively tripple capping it....
depending on the WS this ccan already be done with +180 -0.79 -8sac casings
**which is what the point below you said... if you could comprehend and actually a 180 -8wouldnt quite do it on a ffwg5 if you wanted double cap.. but good try ive made plenty with perfect resources
-POINT#3 featherweightFWG5's will cap at an average KINETIC damage value of 661(ish) when made to perfection with one reinforced casing of 190ish max damage but fall slightly short of of the sac cap of 65. (to cap the sac get a bigger casing or drop the dmg)
190 dam. ahahahahahahahah, and again, listing avg damage is useless
*comprehension again momo thats the casing
FUN FACT SET #4 (CZERKA DART CARBINE)
-czerka dart carbine's can be made using weaponsmith crafted advanced rifle stocks, therefore making capping sac extremely easy if you know what your doing
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a min dmg of approximately 360
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a max dmg of approximately 770 prior to being enhanced
-czerka dart carbine's when made well, have a low end sac of approximately 76
any somewhat decent WS can cap (or come close to) SAC on ASSEMBLY
any decent player also knows casings NEVER drop in a stack of 6
**lol once again this is preenhanced....with a -23sac why waste points on something the enhancement will take care of... and i wouldnt say never... but as youll see i capitalize that point noting it was extremely rare... your comprehension astounds me
NOTE: all of these weapons are assuming no powerup and crit slices which i prefer but it is key to note that you could still dmg slice them to raise the lower value 12% effectively giving a 3-4% average dmg boost...again choose what you like but a couple lucky crits can get a jedi on his back faster than anything
hey clueless...untill further notice the SPEED slice is 12%, damage slice is 8%
** great point i missed that.. if anyone needs any imp faction on intrepid shoot me a tell my master smuggler colonel can help you out
now, it nice of you the spew all these errors while claiming to be all knowing.....totally ignoring the fact that all these weapons will suck when fighting defenders....vs. defenders min. and elemental damage is ALL that counts, and my ol' pre-curb rep. blaster will even outdamage a double capped FWG on defenders....
**no no no its nic eof you to grace us all with your lack of reading comprehension...
**standing ovation
try again
sly
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runatic
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:34 am
#37
just keep using that gimpo scatter ketta...you know the one that couldnt be beat, that i showed you could in like one easy post lol, and your the one that refuted the accuracy mod with your uber 9000accuracy scope.. its a slot dude that takes a component that doesnt hurt the weapon in anyway.. and potentially help it.. find a real point or please go troll some other page
rishton
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:47 am
#38
not sure if anyones mentioned this yet but the kashyykian pistol looks like a bowcaster, and any species can use it, and its kinetic with elemental damage
runatic
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:50 am
#39
this is what i like about guys like blood, and proof of his reading comprehension problem
youll note his original post is edited 4times .. cuz what he was doing was the opposite of what we were taught in grade school.. he wasnt reading the whole document then responding he would read some respond read some respond...which is funny...
cuz then he tried to make a post refuting my weapons stats like i didint know what good weapon was....
however had his preschool notion to actually read the whole post he would saw
FUN FACT SET #6
-looking at those weapon differnces one kinetic weapon clearly stands out as the winner when made with the best of the best materials lets see which it is ...
NOTE: all of these weapons are assuming no powerup and crit slices which i prefer but it is key to note that you could still dmg slice them to raise the lower value 12% effectively giving a 3-4% average dmg boost...again choose what you like but a couple lucky crits can get a jedi on his back faster than anything
FFWG5
average kinetic dmg - 661 (added for bloods comprehension 360-770(+190) = 360-CAP and average dmg of 661)
sac - 65
accuracy mod - 15 + bh scope drop (30+)
items to gather: one insanely rare 190+ reinforced casing, one 15+ accuracy advanced scope drop from a bh mission and one non retarded weaponsmith
CZERKA
average kinetic dmg - 646 (added for bloods comprehension 360-770(+170) = 360-CAP and average dmg of 646)
sac - 73
accuracy mod - 15+ (bh scope drop)
items to gather: SIX, yes SIX 170+ reinforced casing, one 15+ accuracy advanced scope drop from a bh mission and one non retarded weaponsmith
TUSKEN/BERZERKER (you pick)
average kinetic dmg - 623 (638 with a very big casing and a bh stock)(added for bloods comprehension 360-770(+150) = 360-CAP and average dmg of 623)
sac cap - 82
accuracy mod - 15+ (bh scope drop)
items to gather: one gorax bone or reinforced casing of 150+ max damage, one 15+ accuarcy advanced scope drop from a bh mission and one non retarded weaponsmith
which oddly he chose not to comment on
or maybe he woulda said something like.. your avarage dmg values are confusing and unconfounded dmg doesnt worj that way.. but instead
he defualted to his 3rd grade reading skills....and then during he repost he realized everything he was trying to say was right there infront of his face
AT THE END OF THE STORY..MOMO
Message Edited by runatic on 10-11-2005 12:51 PM
Message Edited by runatic on 10-11-2005 12:55 PM