Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: 1 Bounty Hunter vs. Me?: The Views of a Jedi
EvilAztec wrote:
Let me guess, you're a MDEF FOTM.
For the few, brave, non-defenders, we aren't PvP Destroyers. We will win, at best,2 of5 fights. Even less if the BH is actually skilled.
BH can complain about cloak, or about how they're being nerfed. Jedi hasbeen nerfed repeatedly since it came out, each time losing more power. At one point I would have been able to take out 6 BH at the same time (with a bit of work) and I'm no PvP deity. Now I would be lucky to win a 2v1 fight.
Good or Ill, this nerf bat has hit BH because it smacked Jedi before. The old adage, after all,is: What goes around, comes around.
im all for full temp being able to take on 6 BH at a time.....if the brought back PERMADEATH, but all you "iwinnowkthx" jedi wouldnt want that.
Jedi asked for nerfs with their constant whining to get and stay a jedi be easier. And you still havent learned your lesson, but i guess SoE is about ready to sell out and make jedi the absolute main focus of this game, ruining it in the process.
Schnoob wrote:
So some of the new patch notes have pleased the low level Jedi. No names, similar prices and such, and more importantly, 1 on 1.
Tbh I don't think this is fair. For a Knight such as myself, we know we can kill a bh alone, unless the Jedi is unskilled or the BH is very skilled then it shouldn't be too difficult, even if they had doc/cm. I haven't had a BH in ages, and when one over confident noob bh who thinks he can kill anyone shows up, it disapoints me to send them to the cloner, because he never stood a chance.
I think there should be a way for us to gain different visibility, and get our names on the terms. Here's a quick solution.
Kill a Bounty Hunter - Assassinate a Jedi
Ok, so a BH takes a mission and proceeds to attack the Jedi. Whithin 2 minutes the BH is clicking the clone button.
30 minutes Later, another BH shows up for the same Jedi. He wins again.
Each time a BH is killed by that a new form of visibility should be created as word of this killing machine gets around. I'm sure you all know the mission title A Jedi Assassin, then these missions should display the name of the Jedi, so the 5 Bounty Hunters can group and stand a much better chance vs the Jedi. This could hardly be any harm to low level Jedi, if they can kill 1 BH there's a chance they can kill multiple, and it could add a certain amount of roleplay, and give the real assassin's their job back.
Missions with this title should have a substantially higher reward, similar to the current prices a full template is worth. This would be enough to cover the threat level of the mission. It would also mean that if BH do group, they would get the similar amount of cash they do from the normal missions, only with less xp.
Once at this level, the Jedi would stay there until they are killed, just like they do currently, but maybe a slight price increase for each BH they kill, which I beleive they are adding in anyway.
Unfortunately, there is no information on the new FRS and how it will effect the new Bounty Hunter changes, but this is the idea I have for the current changes being made. Please comment in a friendly and orderly manner, perhaps Jedi and BH can work together to make the confrontations more fun
With your scenario you have set up a absolute loss for the Jedi at some point with little in it for the Knight or 225 or 226k paddyexcept grief. I would go with your idea if there was actually something in it for the Knight like perhaps....after a certain kill he gets off the terms. Or is awarded a badge. But as long as there is no incentive for Knights to fight then Ideas like this fall by the wayside.
Speaking of badges....Why don't BH get a kill badge? like:
"Has Killed a Knight and has helped cleanse the universe. Lord Vader thanks you."
"Has been awarded the badge of skill for 20 Jedi deaths"
"Has been awarded the badge of the Empire for 50 Jedi Killed"
And so on. Maybe at a certain level of kills they could be awarded a special skill like some avoidance mods. And they could make the awards Jedi level sensitive....like only being awarded when a Jedi is over 150 SP and a real challenge?
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Schnoob wrote:
So some of the new patch notes have pleased the low level Jedi. No names, similar prices and such, and more importantly, 1 on 1.
Tbh I don't think this is fair. For a Knight such as myself, we know we can kill a bh alone, unless the Jedi is unskilled or the BH is very skilled then it shouldn't be too difficult, even if they had doc/cm. I haven't had a BH in ages, and when one over confident noob bh who thinks he can kill anyone shows up, it disapoints me to send them to the cloner, because he never stood a chance.
I think there should be a way for us to gain different visibility, and get our names on the terms. Here's a quick solution.
Kill a Bounty Hunter - Assassinate a Jedi
Ok, so a BH takes a mission and proceeds to attack the Jedi. Whithin 2 minutes the BH is clicking the clone button.
30 minutes Later, another BH shows up for the same Jedi. He wins again.
Each time a BH is killed by that a new form of visibility should be created as word of this killing machine gets around. I'm sure you all know the mission title A Jedi Assassin, then these missions should display the name of the Jedi, so the 5 Bounty Hunters can group and stand a much better chance vs the Jedi. This could hardly be any harm to low level Jedi, if they can kill 1 BH there's a chance they can kill multiple, and it could add a certain amount of roleplay, and give the real assassin's their job back.
Missions with this title should have a substantially higher reward, similar to the current prices a full template is worth. This would be enough to cover the threat level of the mission. It would also mean that if BH do group, they would get the similar amount of cash they do from the normal missions, only with less xp.
Once at this level, the Jedi would stay there until they are killed, just like they do currently, but maybe a slight price increase for each BH they kill, which I beleive they are adding in anyway.
Unfortunately, there is no information on the new FRS and how it will effect the new Bounty Hunter changes, but this is the idea I have for the current changes being made. Please comment in a friendly and orderly manner, perhaps Jedi and BH can work together to make the confrontations more fun
With your scenario you have set up a absolute loss for the Jedi at some point with little in it for the Knight or 225 or 226k paddyexcept grief. I would go with your idea if there was actually something in it for the Knight like perhaps....after a certain kill he gets off the terms. Or is awarded a badge. But as long as there is no incentive for Knights to fight then Ideas like this fall by the wayside.
Speaking of badges....Why don't BH get a kill badge? like:
"Has Killed a Knight and has helped cleanse the universe. Lord Vader thanks you."
"Has been awarded the badge of skill for 20 Jedi deaths"
"Has been awarded the badge of the Empire for 50 Jedi Killed"
And so on. Maybe at a certain level of kills they could be awarded a special skill like some avoidance mods. And they could make the awards Jedi level sensitive....like only being awarded when a Jedi is over 150 SP and a real challenge?
or maybe some decent BH only armor, or something besides some cash + whine.
FettandhisVett wrote:
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Schnoob wrote:
So some of the new patch notes have pleased the low level Jedi. No names, similar prices and such, and more importantly, 1 on 1.
Tbh I don't think this is fair. For a Knight such as myself, we know we can kill a bh alone, unless the Jedi is unskilled or the BH is very skilled then it shouldn't be too difficult, even if they had doc/cm. I haven't had a BH in ages, and when one over confident noob bh who thinks he can kill anyone shows up, it disapoints me to send them to the cloner, because he never stood a chance.
I think there should be a way for us to gain different visibility, and get our names on the terms. Here's a quick solution.
Kill a Bounty Hunter - Assassinate a Jedi
Ok, so a BH takes a mission and proceeds to attack the Jedi. Whithin 2 minutes the BH is clicking the clone button.
30 minutes Later, another BH shows up for the same Jedi. He wins again.
Each time a BH is killed by that a new form of visibility should be created as word of this killing machine gets around. I'm sure you all know the mission title A Jedi Assassin, then these missions should display the name of the Jedi, so the 5 Bounty Hunters can group and stand a much better chance vs the Jedi. This could hardly be any harm to low level Jedi, if they can kill 1 BH there's a chance they can kill multiple, and it could add a certain amount of roleplay, and give the real assassin's their job back.
Missions with this title should have a substantially higher reward, similar to the current prices a full template is worth. This would be enough to cover the threat level of the mission. It would also mean that if BH do group, they would get the similar amount of cash they do from the normal missions, only with less xp.
Once at this level, the Jedi would stay there until they are killed, just like they do currently, but maybe a slight price increase for each BH they kill, which I beleive they are adding in anyway.
Unfortunately, there is no information on the new FRS and how it will effect the new Bounty Hunter changes, but this is the idea I have for the current changes being made. Please comment in a friendly and orderly manner, perhaps Jedi and BH can work together to make the confrontations more fun
With your scenario you have set up a absolute loss for the Jedi at some point with little in it for the Knight or 225 or 226k paddyexcept grief. I would go with your idea if there was actually something in it for the Knight like perhaps....after a certain kill he gets off the terms. Or is awarded a badge. But as long as there is no incentive for Knights to fight then Ideas like this fall by the wayside.
Speaking of badges....Why don't BH get a kill badge? like:
"Has Killed a Knight and has helped cleanse the universe. Lord Vader thanks you."
"Has been awarded the badge of skill for 20 Jedi deaths"
"Has been awarded the badge of the Empire for 50 Jedi Killed"
And so on. Maybe at a certain level of kills they could be awarded a special skill like some avoidance mods. And they could make the awards Jedi level sensitive....like only being awarded when a Jedi is over 150 SP and a real challenge?
or maybe some decent BH only armor, or something besides some cash + whine.
The more I think about it...Why dont you guys push for badges or some other award like Armorother than Cash? Sadely I think a badge for a Jedi killing a BH would be bad....especially for those Jedi trying to blend in....if you know what I mean?
Could work out like this....(and this coming from a Jedi who does not have a BH alt..how Ironic)
1. 10 Jedi Kills (total Armor repair kit 5 uses)
2. 20 Jedi Kills (Ris Gloves ...not being BH I am not sure what armor you can wear....)
3. 50 Jedi Kills (Kataarn Armor (sp) )
4. 75 jedi Kills (+10 tracking Skill Tape for tracking droid)
5. 100 Jedi Kills (+10 Weapon Accuracy)
6. 150 Jedi Kills (Infared goggles that allow you to see and track Cloaked Jedi and perhaps add a mod that allows the Jedi to be knocked out of cloak and make this goggle NON-TRADEABLE.) I just added this one because of the calls to nerf Cloak. Guys...look for ways to enhance your own profession and stop calling to nerf others!!! PLEASE!
Those are just some rough draft ideas. But you get the idea. I think if done right it would give BH incentive to try and take on Knights if the award system was based on Level Sensitivity...like for instance you have to have kills over a certain level to qualify. And since the terms are going to be annonymous I dont see how it could be exploited. But if they do something like this for BH they need to give some sort of incentive to Jedi to ballance it out.
Message Edited by Corina_Deepstarr on 07-09-2005 08:29 AM
I think this might be a good way to provide some risk for visibility and encourage BH to keep on taking bounties in the new system. But I also think finished Jedi will need some non visibility end content, FRS, 4th tier Jedi shadow war or something because it would be unfair to give jedi nothing to do but PvP which would eventually make them targets to this type of bounty. But I think jedi needs that anyways, something other then the GCW because most of the jedi / non jedi animosity starts with the affect Jedi has had on regular players in the GCW.
Also noticed the idea of rewards for the jedi surviving this type of mission. That's a good idea and tying this whole thing into FRS system somehow could be workable. FRS is supposed to be hardcore PvP and 2-5 BH's vs. one jedi is hard core.
BaccaChewOs wrote:
lol zephner u have only just finished your temp thou..
i've been full temp since Just after CU started... I'm on my 5th template now, that I've grinded and not respecced, check your info before you flame fatty.
oh and as for not being Knight, you missed the whole bit about me having another Jedi last november, DJK from pre 9.
noob tbh
Message Edited by Schnoob on 07-10-2005 12:06 AM
EvilAztec wrote:Let me guess, you're a MDEF FOTM.
For the few, brave, non-defenders, we aren't PvP Destroyers. We will win, at best, 2 of 5 fights. Even less if the BH is actually skilled.
BH can complain about cloak, or about how they're being nerfed. Jedi has been nerfed repeatedly since it came out, each time losing more power. At one point I would have been able to take out 6 BH at the same time (with a bit of work) and I'm no PvP deity. Now I would be lucky to win a 2v1 fight.
Good or Ill, this nerf bat has hit BH because it smacked Jedi before. The old adage, after all, is: What goes around, comes around.
have you actually read my sig?
Non defender
I had defender last year and hated it, I got it for CU and hated it. and to say I can stand up agaisnt not only groups of BH, but also Mdef, you should really look into fighting a decent Jedi tbh.
Not all non defenders suck, in fact, I'd say the non defenders are the better. They can put more points to powers/sabers to do more damage, as well as ranged KD. They can have better force control with more enhancer. I wont say better healing cos healer is just broken
ObiQuixote wrote:
Interesting idea, how do you see it working? Jedi gets a bunch of BH kills under their belt they generate an assassinate mission. BH gets a mission that they can pass on to the allowed number of players they want to bring along? Or just other BH's? (via trade maybe) I think this would work best, no name just that it's an assassinate mission and the number of mercenaries you can bring along.
I think this might be a good way to provide some risk for visibility and encourage BH to keep on taking bounties in the new system. But I also think finished Jedi will need some non visibility end content, FRS, 4th tier Jedi shadow war or something because it would be unfair to give jedi nothing to do but PvP which would eventually make them targets to this type of bounty. But I think jedi needs that anyways, something other then the GCW because most of the jedi / non jedi animosity starts with the affect Jedi has had on regular players in the GCW.
Also noticed the idea of rewards for the jedi surviving this type of mission. That's a good idea and tying this whole thing into FRS system somehow could be workable. FRS is supposed to be hardcore PvP and 2-5 BH's vs. one jedi is hard core.
I think it should stick to BH only, that's where the griefing would come back into play. If you think about it, a BH could just bring 4 CM friends and spam Area Heal, they all practically invulnerable and the Jedi doesn't stand a chance, or at least may just run becuase he's a noob.
at least when a BH comes and is either master CM'Doc, or has 1 tree in either, it feels more balanced. When there's 5 people who can outheal Jedi on one guy, the Jedi would either run. Or for those who do actualyl stand and fight, they would prob just lie down ready
EvilAztec wrote:
Nope, then I would want my 20X power back! Oh and I wouldn't complain about perma - if they fixed the crash to desktop issue, and gave everyone equal, unbreakable high-speed net connections. One of the recent times I was "killed" was due to the client crashing. Nothing more irritating than some idiot bragging "hhahahaha I pwned you Jedi!" when you just get back in game - dead.
FettandhisVett wrote:
EvilAztec wrote:
Let me guess, you're a MDEF FOTM.
For the few, brave, non-defenders, we aren't PvP Destroyers. We will win, at best, 2 of 5 fights. Even less if the BH is actually skilled.
BH can complain about cloak, or about how they're being nerfed. Jedi has been nerfed repeatedly since it came out, each time losing more power. At one point I would have been able to take out 6 BH at the same time (with a bit of work) and I'm no PvP deity. Now I would be lucky to win a 2v1 fight.
Good or Ill, this nerf bat has hit BH because it smacked Jedi before. The old adage, after all, is: What goes around, comes around.
im all for full temp being able to take on 6 BH at a time.....if the brought back PERMADEATH, but all you "iwinnowkthx" jedi wouldnt want that.
Jedi asked for nerfs with their constant whining to get and stay a jedi be easier. And you still havent learned your lesson, but i guess SoE is about ready to sell out and make jedi the absolute main focus of this game, ruining it in the process.
YAY! Glowy for me