Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: ENOUGH!
The above should read:
"1. the assumption that pistoleer is meant to be a high powered fullyself-sufficient combat profession without the help/addition of any other profession, and....
Was confusing, sorry its late.
'Nerf the Jedi!'
Actually the pistoleer works best in the open battlefield at range 60! ALWAYS Running
Fight a commando in a building and your most likely dead even inside a town.... you have to stay outside of range 50 to survive
Commandos freak out after they one shot a few dozen people in town then run off across the desert thinking they can do the same in the open.....All i do is smile whenn i see them comming
then i twirl my pistol 
If you meet a BH pistoleer with a scatter pistol in his hand prepare for a trip to the cloning center cause your gonna LOSE.........eye shot
If the dummy has his lightining gun in his hand he goes to the cloning center and I twirl my pistol 2 times!
Leva Oripa
Also to somone who said they got killed when they stood in front of a Commando with a flame thrower.....Please no class will compensate for not taking advanatage of things....
1.) Commando specials can only be used within 16 meters...Stay AWAY from them....In RL, or even in a movie you do NOT run up to somone with a heavy flame thrower.
2.) Commandoes have a lower rate of fire on their weapons, stay away and wait for them to fire at you, during their down time heal, and shoot....
Your skill tree does not give you the ticket to go toe to toe with every class, I would never try to punch a TKA to death, so why in gods name would stand in front of a commando and try to have a "most damage" duel?
"BH pistol skill points = 28 or so
Pistoleer pistol skill points = 92 or so
END OF STORY, THANX !"
BH SKILL points = 174 (for pistol 4)
Pistoleer skill points = 92 (to master pistoleer)
apparently not the "END OF STORY"...
Once againit's difficult to find any validityto this argument. I hope that the devs fix the broken aspects of pistoleers soon - as someone above said that really is going to make the biggest difference for pistoleers and should be what people are pushing for - not drastic class changes or nerfs.
'Nerf the Jedi!'
Cthulu his point was, you have 24 Skill Points in Pistol where we have 92 in Pistol. That if there was anybody who should be master of using a pistol it should be a pistoleer not a bounty hunter.
I have posted in here somewhere comparing experience that it takes to be a Master Pistoleer v. Master Bounty Hunter...makes for an interesting read.
You are...On paper...
The problem is not that BH's are better then you, its that you are horribly broken...
All the extra skill mods a pistoleer gets to make him the all around better gun fighter are broken.
Yes you do have more skill points in pistol than a BH does.
Those extra skill points give you defensive bonuses, different accuracy bonuses and about 12 specials compared to a bounty hunters 4. You can use your pistol in an offensive way, defensive way and a support way. A bounty hunter can only be offensive with his weapon.
So what's your point again?
A bounty hunter gets no defensive specials, ( think they get +10 ranged defense at master) no accuracy while moving bonuses, and no counter attack. The tradeoff is speed and accuracy which they get a ton of.
Again your mods are broken and your specials are broken sowhen those get fixed this will be a different story.
Remember a Bounty Hunter spends as much TOTAL weapon xp as you do. You do it with one weapon the bounty hunter does it with 3.
Your boxes go 175K each tier 1 box, 250K pertier 2 box, 350K pertier 3 box, 450K pertier 4 box. You have to fill 12 of those and the combat xp which comes automatically from filling the other boxes fills the other 4.
Bounty hunters have to fill 12 boxes also just with 3 weapons instead of one.
Also their tier 1 box is 150K as opposed to 175K.
I didn't want to drag this up...but you start in on the experience thing again:
Taken from the following thread: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=5837&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Keep in mind there have been a few changes since then including the fact that almost all the pistoleer specials do practically nothing of any sort of value and all those precious defensives you talked about don't work.
Please read everything I posted in there before flaming, but pay attention to the math I did:
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Comparing BH and Pistoleer is apples and oranges but please stop coming into these forums looking for fights. The valid point was made that a master of the Pistol not being able to use Pistols that a Novice Bounty Hunter can weild was wrong.
There is nobody here trying to nerf the bounty hunter class. In fact I'd like to see it brought more along the lines of what a real bounty hunter is:A No nonsense hunter of human beings.
With that being said, please please please stop whining about it taking 217 points to master BH and 98 for pistoleer. Yes it takes you 2 full trees to master before you can hit bounty hunter, but those are Basic trees that most people master ina matter of weeks.
Here is the biggest indication of why Pistoleers do have a point: The hardest XP to get in the game is Combat XP. It doesn't come in the high bunches of Scouting XP or weapon XP.
BH Combat Experience: 72550 (32550 in Basic and 40000 in Bounty Hunter)
Pistoleer Combat Experience: 442550 (32550 in Basic and 410000)
That is a difference of 370000 Combat Experience or 3.7 Million Weapon experience.
Factor in all your extra scouting and the two extra basic weapon trees it takes you and you still don't reach up to 3.7 million weapon experience.
The kicker to all of this? Lets compare weapon experience:
BH Weapon Experience: 3,873,000 (273000 in Basic 3,600,000 in BH)
Pistoleer Weapon XP: 3,691,000 (91000 in Basic, 3,600,000 in Pistoleer)
Difference: 182,000 Weapon XP or approx 18,200 Combat XP.
Lets subtract that from our current deficit still leaves a Pistoleer with 351,800 more combat XP to get or 3,518,000 weapon experience.
I'll give you investigation 1 for 1 with Combat...I'll admit I don't know how easy it is to get investigation XP. 34000 Investigation XP
That leaves pistoleers with 317800 Combat XP over Bounty Hunters.
Lets take this FURTHER.
I'll give you 1 for 1 Scouting XP v. Combat XP (and lets be honest, Scouting is a lot easier than Combat..but I'm being fair)
Master Scout takes 129000 Scouting Related Experience.
After you factor in that, it still leaves you with
*drum roll*
188,800 Combat XP or 1,888,00 Weapon XP more that it requires to get our 90 some odd boxes compared to bounty hunter.
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In other words, to hit master, we still need more Combat XP than we do weapon XP. We require for our boxes more XP than the Bounty Hunter does....and the math above was favourable to the bounty hunters giving you 1 for 1 on Investigation and all Scouting XP.
Your arguments are old, Bounty Hunters have been fixed quite well and coming in and trying to hold down the pistoleer class by using a tired argument is just wrong.
LOL 1 for 1 investigation exp.....
May I have some more of your charity?
Ignorance like this is only equaled by the bounty hunters who think they should be as strong as Jedi's..
But let me give you an example...
I have completed 100 bounty missions...
In that time I have earned this much exp just from missions....
800k Pistol exp (only from missions)
80k Combat exp (only from missions)
200k carbine exp (only from missions)
200k LLC exp(Only from missions)
In that time, that it took me to get ALL this exp...I have earned DRUMROLL PLEASE!!!
4500 bounty hunter experience....
Some other things you should look at...
Something most of you may or may not have already put together...Combat exp=10% of whatever weapon exp you gained...
So in just mastering you Pistol boxes you gain 370k combat exp, which means, just by using your gun to get master you get 83% of your total combat exp...
I have earned enough exp in total to master two pistol lines, and half of the combat exp line, in the same time I have not even earned enough BH exp to get Leveltwo investigation. AND IT GETS BETTER...
As you go up in difficulty in the investigation tree these wonderful things happen.
You PAY money to find marks, you no longer make any.
45% of the time marks are white or unatackable.
Marks will jump off planets, costing you 2k-4k more to find them....
Eachhigh level bh mission can take over30 minutes and only yield 80 Bounty hunter exp...
BTW yes30 minutes isNOT anaverage, it is my fastest mission time 
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The person who posted the 1 for 1 thing had no idea what he spoke of....(which he does say so)
I will say this, the investigation line will take me longer to master alone then the entire pistoleer tree, infact I will probably achieve enough exp to almost master pistoleer while doing investigation....Not that I can use it because I only have 33 points left...
But then again any argument with exp is moot, because frankly a trained chimp could get exp in this game .
BH pistol skill points = 28 or so
Pistoleer pistol skill points = 92 or so
END OF STORY, THANX !
We NEVER meant to do more dmg than a BH with a LLC or a COmmando with his Death Star, we WANT to be VIABLE with a pistol, what is the word you actually don't understand here ?
YES, we can do something else but NOTHING of what we can do is even half equal of BH and Commando powers, got it ?
I am Master CH / Master Pistoleer, this should allow me to be more powerful than a SIMPLE Novice BH, right ? Read this : THIS IS NOT THE CASE !
Just because you can instant kill me and fear my pets or just kill them while tanking, not to mention most of you are RETARDED enought to death blow them, which simply prevent me to use them if I am stupid enought to enter a PvP fight.
This gets me kinda nervous now...why a pistoleer should be a lesser pistol user ?
'Cthulu his point was, you have 24 Skill Points in Pistol where we have 92 in Pistol. That if there was anybody who should be master of using a pistol it should be a pistoleer not a bounty hunter.'
I understand what he was trying to say - though I disagree with that conclusion. Some argue that because pistoleers have more skill points that use Pistol xp and Combat xp, they should somehow be better at PvP then a bounty hunter. People who use this argument must specifically be talking about PvP, because we already know that the Pistoleer is far superior in PVE when usinga pistol than the BH using a pistol, even in its broken state.
So, this entire argument isfocusedon PvP.One might even say specificaly against bounty hunters.
I can only then draw this conclusion -
Pistoleers are masters of the pistol. Bounty hunters are masters of PVP (yes, even when using a pistol).
Which, if the above is true (and the game, in its current state, seems to indicate that it is) then if you wanted to be both the master of the pistoleer (what many people who post here seem to want to be) AND the master of PvP (also something that many people here seem to want to be) then it only seems logical to do both. Take BH pistol and master pistoleer. Sure it takes a lot of time and work, but that is a powerful combination and if you are going to spend the time/effort you should kick butt.
Or don't, and just complain that you can't be all things when you've achieved master pistoleer.
'Nerf the Jedi!'
I want an answer about what development is doing RIGHT NOW to stop this defensive nonsense, and improve this profession to where it should be.
And I intend to cancel this account if they can't get in here and show their faces for once, this has gone on long enough!
ENOUGH!
ENOUGH holocrons.
ENOUGH uber templates.
ENOUGH hair styles, ENOUGH melons, ENOUGH arguments.
ENOUGH NERFS!
I want action.
What WORK are they doing to improve us, right now, and if nothing what do they intend to do to change this unacceptable situation?
If i can't actually hear a reasonalbe response from them for once, then there is no reason to continue paying for this service.