Bounty Hunter Archive

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FanofFlaw wrote:
The decay came from triple incap death. Game treats it like a PVE death as you arent technically slain.

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Finally getting some intelligent responses, thank you for enlightening me on this PvP bug.

So far we've had confirmation of a KD, Root/Stasis (part of stasis effect is a root so I can see how this would be the same) bug which is what I encountered anda bug involving 3 pvp incaps being the same as PvE.

These are obviously repeatable as it happened to me twice in one battle and needs to be fixed.

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Musicmaestro wrote:

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Daivan wrote:

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RemoMoxey wrote:

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Musicmaestro wrote:

Just had a fight against a Master Saber, Master Enhancer Jedi. I lucked out as a BH just started a fight so I get up and break cover (MBH/MRM, 4000CM) to go attack and use the other BH to my advantage. Well, the other BH died before I could even get a shot off... At first I simply assumed he was a new BH with poor gear... I was wrong.

She immediately used Adv Saber throw to knock me down then followed with Stasis. Np, a free hit while I was down no big deal... NOT QUITE!..

"You are still too disoriented and cannot get up at his moment."

I could not get up. Stasis was either not breaking on being hit like it's supposed to or the effect was lingering somehow.

Finally managing to get up, just in time to die. The Jedi let the incap timer expire...

I got up, healed and attempted to get off a KD to get some breathing room.

This time was even worse. I was knocked down again:

"You are still too disoriented and cannot get up at his moment."

"You are still too disoriented and cannot get up at his moment."

"You are still too disoriented and cannot get up at his moment."

There was about 12 attacks from the last stasis the jedi used.

Then, as if this wasn't enough of an exploit/bug to deal with...

"You cannot knockdown recover while knocked down."

Ok, I'm pissed off... but then my equipment takes damage at the cloner. PvP you're not supposed to take damage at the cloner... nice SOE.

So, this KD/Stasis bug is disgusting. While this Jedi I'm sure is bragging about taking down two BH in about a minutes time the exploit/bug involved was disgusting and needs immediate attention.

I tend to do very well against most Jedi. Some veterans of over 100 BH battles I last a good 15-20min. I've never lost this fast yet. This reminded me of pre-CU with TKM KD fights.

My Gear:

Assault Bowcaster

spd: 1.4 (effective)

dmg: 515-1173 (Kinetic)

sac: 82

Armour:

Kashyyykian Ceremonial (Recon)

8020 Energy resist w/ AB slices.

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Some advice for you:

1-You were dizzied, that's why you couldn't get up ("you are still too disoriented and cannot get up at this moment" is the dizzy system message). You were hit by the Jedi with a dizzy while stasised (the free hit was a dizzy). You have dizzy recovery......use it next time .

2-The "can't knockdown recover while knocked down" is a lag/spam bug, CAUSED BY YOU!! When you get KDed, if you have another special loaded and use KD recover the special you have loaded takes preference. This causes you to get the message (althought is should say "you can't use Full Autowhile knocked down" or whatever special you had loaded). If you don't try to spam KD recover and wait 2-3 seconds and use KD recover you will stand right back up (let the yellow highlight on you toolbar disappear before hitting KD recover). You make it worse by hitting KD recover then an attack, wait until you stand up before spamming your next attack. DO NOT SPAM SPECIALS........that's what killed you. This is one of the new CU "highlights" .

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Clear, concise, excellent discription of what *really* happened during this fight.

Thank you so much for posting this and not letting another one of these "GAME BREAKING!!! DEFCON 1" threads go on and on and putting misinformation and fear and hatred into a SWG community that already has to much of this crap.

***** Five stars for you my friend.

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Huh? You're talking Pre-CU...

Dizzy now simply reduces defenses.

Stun reduces defenses and slows attack.

Blind reduces attack skill.

Go test dizzy/kd yourself if you don't believe me, Dizzy does not effect KD or KD recovery at all. Pre-CU yes it did... Post-CU not at all.

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I have tested it, and dizzy DOES affect your ability to KD recover.

Nice quote about states there........right from the Devs mouths. We all know the Devs have NEVER screwed anything up..........lol (maybe the old dizzy has somehow bled through to the CU?).

Since the Devs have never addressed this issue, we can't tell if it's a "bug/exploit" or if it's "working as intended".

Andit is not justJEDIbut ANY template with a kd, root, dizzy combo that can pull this off. Until I see a Dev post otherwise this is "working as intended".

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Musicmaestro wrote:

She immediately used Adv Saber throw to knock me down then followed with Stasis. Np, a free hit while I was down no big deal... NOT QUITE!..

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UMMM chief, u were KD'd THEN stasis'd, acts much like the old KD STarle Shot exploit, except this one isnt a exploit as stasis is ment to freeze u rofl

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XanKrieger wrote:

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Musicmaestro wrote:

She immediately used Adv Saber throw to knock me down then followed with Stasis. Np, a free hit while I was down no big deal... NOT QUITE!..

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UMMM chief, u were KD'd THEN stasis'd, acts much like the old KD STarle Shot exploit, except this one isnt a exploit as stasis is ment to freeze u rofl

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He's just another BH that thinks Stasis is a sploit. He sounds like the type of person that accused me of using Stasis on a turret the other night.

Praeses, I'm not ignoring every post that disagrees with me. The problem is that alot of people are coming here having already made up their mind what the problem is.

Now, let me try to make you understand. I have only been effected by the KD bug once before, EVER. This was the second time. I'm a very calm PvPer, not one who spams commands or even uses macros that can get in the way of the situation.

But this is not a KD bug "You cannot knockdown recover while knocked down." that I'm discussing. It is "You are too disoriented to get up at this time."

Unless you have had this effect where you cannot get up because: "You are too disoriented to get up at this time." You should just as Praeses puts it "Will the uninformed please just sit down, shut up..." Because you don't know what you're talking about.

As for decay on my items, No I have not died in PvE and forgot to insure. I haven't died in PvE... for months. But of course we'll just keep on making up reasons why it ISN'T a bug instead of actually discussing it and testing it.

A previous poster mentions Dizzy again, I'm sorry but I don't take the word of the devs as anything more than rhetoric. I tested dizzy, stun and blind with knockdown to see if any states or combinations of states effect the speed at which they allow KD recover. No effect at all. Go tell anyone who actually PvPs that you use Dizzy to keep opponents knocked down and they'll laugh. Dizzy reduces defenses

My bet is that this is the same bug as the KD/Startle Shot bug that can be reproduced using stasis.

Message Edited by AlxanderDoM on 09-08-2005 08:55 AM

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AlxanderDoM wrote:

I remember Someone posted about Stasis a while back on a another forum, he said it was superb againstBH's !

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Found What he wrote:

"We have tested this for the last hour useing jedi in our guild that have stasis.
They can make it so you can not attack,heal and can do damage to you. this is how it is done.

/SaberThrow;
/pause 2;
/Stasis;

They hit you with saber throw then stasis. stasis last 30 seconds. Cooldown for stasis is less than 30 seconds. Once cooldown goes thru for stasis they repeat.
This will not let you heal,attack and will let them damage you. Once they damage you they instantly put stasis on you and you can not heal this damage or fight back. Also they can put stasis on all the bh attacking them and kill one guy at a time because stasis last 30 seconds. Also if you are knocked down and they put stasis on you, you can not get back up.

Message Edited by AlxanderDoM on 09-08-2005 08:55 AM

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also stasis costs alot of force - chaining it for more than 2-3 times.. will flaten most forcebars

I just love how the OP ignores EVERY post but the ones agreeing with him, just shrugs them all off.

99% of the time where people scream and yell KD bug, its their own stupidity really. You lag, you get KD'ed same time you try to execute a special, special stays in que for ages before it clears, you'll normally either see a yellow box around the attack you tried to use when you got KD'ed or it will be blacked out like it is still executing.

Forget the /dump or /sit;/stand macros, hit escape twice, clears all your moves in que, hit kd recovery again, bam your up.

In over 100 bounties hitting escape twice has always cleared the "kd bug" problem everyone seems to talk about as well as in normal day to day pvp on my jedi.

Will the uninformed please just sit down, shut up and worry about REAL issues instead of screaming STASIS EXPLOIT!!!

As far as decay at clone, even when triple incapped I dont have the decay problem, normally if you think back you probably died in PvE at some point and forgot to reinsure (insurance is lost at PvE death) and you will get decay in pvp if uninsured.

Message Edited by Praeses on 09-08-2005 12:11 AM