Bounty Hunter Archive

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Kaemie wrote:

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jutm543 wrote:
Can I get an AMEN?

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AMEN!!

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AMEN!!!

You guys seem to fail to recognize why the names are being removed from the terminals. They want jedi vs BH to be mostly One on One.

They cannot restrict it the easy way, only allowing one mission per jedi as that would lead to bH alts locking out that jedis hunt.

They cannot make the tef only happen with one person at a time because... well what if a second unrelated BH came in on the fight, RP wise he would try to steal the kill.

So what do you think they do? They cannot completely remove the chance of a 1 on 1 encounter so they increase the odds to favor 1 on 1, hiding the names. By hiding the names one person will get the mission and will go attack. There is still the chance that an opposing BH might come after the same jedi, but it is highly unlikely that a five man group can all get the same mission.


I love how you guys say "We are not waypoint BH, we like to be strategist. This is just a lame excuse to keep your chart of easy pwnage jedi. If you are really these pvping information gathering gurus why do you have a problem with scoping out your target in real time? You say waypoint BH like its an easy mode made for fools, yet you want to be able to use your /tar macro because you can't just hit tab.(I haven't been able to hunt jedi since eh p.9 so I'm not positive if the name shows up in red, if not I appologize for the last statement).


I agree to putting on the terms Faction, online status, and approximate level. (A rating system, 1 being jedi currently worth 50-100k.. 2 being jedi that are currently worth 100-200k.. and 3 being jedi that are currently worth more then 200k

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Starcloud wrote:

Here's a possible solution.

Anonymity on the Bounty Hunter *terminals*, and no idea of the payout, is good. It discourages griefing and harassment.

However, there's no reason that the SpyNet Operative shouldn't give you the name of the Jedi in question when you go get the bio-sig. From that point, you can choose whether to keep on chasing or drop the mission.

You should not have a clue as to the payout until mission success.

Just a suggestion as to how this might work and yet still give useful information.

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uh, riiiight

if Jake the snake offers me 50k to take out a mark....and jabba the hutt offers me 150k.....i wonder who i'd work for

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Aeschyl wrote:


so every mission is worth the same amount? or remove amount as in we get paid nothing?

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Anonymintiy or however you spell it, I guess I could deal with, if payout was provided. I think a decent BH could tell who the jedi is (or at least the guild) just by the droid WP's, but if we dont even have droids!! There is no skill/point/enjoyment in hunting jedi and they might as well remove the missions entirely.

meh, i wouldnt be opposed to removing the ability to hunt down Jedi altogether- as this seems to be the direction the devs are moving

they must protect the "alpha class" from the "beta class" that seems to be finding ways to make the "alpha class" whine and b1tch every time something doesnt go their way

we're just too good for our own good

Grinding jedi are their only definite source of account renewals is what this boils down to

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Canadianjoo wrote:
Grinding jedi are their only definite source of account renewals is what this boils down to

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Sorry for jumping into the BH forum guys...Rambow, you make really good points and I actually agree with you on alot of them as well. The BH/Jedi system does need some fine tuning, but not in the way the devs are planning it....but I really came in here to asksomething....

If Jedi didn't receive an xp loss, would you still enjoy the hunting experience that you have? This is really the important issue at hand, as alot of BH's these days claim that the xp loss is necessary...I do think it helps control the jedi population somewhat, but really....if the xp loss is the only motivation you have, wouldn't this new system tailor to your needs just the same? I'm just trying to get some good answers on this one.....I prefer to hunt just to hunt, for the thrill of it. I have a BH on another server that is used for this purpose...I care not to hinder the jedi's progress...I only hunt to experience the hunt and receive the pay.

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RAMBOW wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

Posted on the correspondent forum for discussion with the devs.

Blix: "The Jedi names and mission amounts should not show on the terminals"
Rebuttal:

• If the names are truly anonymous it would be very possible to get the same mission on a Jedi that is on Kasshyk or sitting in a Cantina, AFK, in a player city, over and over again.


• It would be also very possible to keep getting missions on Jedi that a solo BH has no chance of defeating (see rebuttle above). Obviously, no grouping would be possible.


• It would also not be possible to ascertain a Jedi is online or know the faction of the Jedi.


• It would also take away from the RP aspects of bounty hunting.


• Kashyyyk has become Jedi grinding spot now, so BHs will not be able to hunt Jedi via PC informants there either (will cause even more resentment in the BH community).


• BHs will not be able to use /tar Jediname when they get to their querry.

Solutions:

• Make it so a Jedi is assigned a pseudonym when his mission is created. This way if he is on Kashyyyk or AFK in a player structure, the BH can pick another mission.


• List only online Jedi missions on a SEPARATE PC Bounty tab along with their faction.


• Allow the Arakydn droid toreveal the Jedi's real name along with the planet location so the BH can use his targeting macros later on, or abort the mission if he wishes at that point.


• Again, if you are not going to allow grouping or not list bounty amounts BHs should have the skills/mods to take on a full template Jedi.


• Add BH terminals on Kashyyk that will list only Jedi that are currently online, and on that planet, seeing that we would no longer be able to use PC informants. This way at least we'd be able to start looking for them (still would take a long while to manually search each instance).

One thing to consider before making any changes, if any, is that a lot of the complaints to date have been due to the fact that a lot of newbie Jedi had never PvPed, and also were under the impression that they had to drop non-Jedi skills to level effectively due to CL levels and Padawan effectiveness in solo play. So, when they started grouping and getting visibility, they got wasted.

Now, people are used to CU. Jedi are picking up skills like Rifleman/TK/Swordsman along with Jedi healing and defenses. As a result low level Padawans are actually MORE dangerous adversaries than mid-level Jedi.

It might not be necessary to make any changes to the BH/Jedi system to solve the problem of BHs picking on low level Padawans, as the problem seems to be solving itself for the most part.

I am ready to discuss any of these issues or possible solutions.

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Sorry in advance if reading this post you think im being a bit harsh... But I have been a BH for a long time and I dont want to see the professions I love to get dulled down because of the jedi constent whining about us killing them.

On my server, Chilastra, We have probably some of the best Bounty Hunters in the game... I dont say that lightly either. Im not talking about kill counts or fighting ability, Im talking about the actual "hunting". We have a long history of keeping tabs on all jedi on the server. It started with a list of jedi names started way back when jedi first unlocked... We had the first ever completed jedi mission on our server with some of the foundations for the BH system we have developed in place.

Recently most of these Bounty Hunters were united under 1 PA . While in this guild and watching us work together you really get a feel for what I always though BH should be. One of our newer more unexperienced members would ask about a certain jedi, and the vets would be able to tell him... Where the jedi hunts, what PA he is in, what faction, where his houses are that he might run to ect ect ect.... Vital Information for a true BH.

The fact is we do have these lists... We know everything we can about hundreds of jedi on our server. We have the Waypoints of there houses, cities, ect in our datapads.

If you take away our right to see thier names at the terminal, you will make us nothing but nameless waypoint chasers. Even if you give us names when we get the probe droid back.. it isnt the same at all.

The jedi say its unfair that BHs can pick and choose padawans and "bottom feed" once again, It seems to me the Jedi are blaming US for them being on the terms. Im all for giving them a Master/Aprentice system or perhaps no Visablity for groups ect.... Personally I like to hunt padawans because they still have something to loose. (now all the jedi will say im just in it to grief another player ect). What fun is jedi if you have nothing to loose? What fun is BHing against a mark that has nothing to loose? That would just be normal PvP, which I can find alot more of just by joining a group and going SF.

Please dont ruin the Bounty Hunter system by making us nothing but waypoint chasers.

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QFE

Woah, all i can say is excellent post. For me its all about knowing all you can about your marks. What the OP talked about his guild and how they conduct themselfs, seriously makes me want to do a character transfer and hope they'd accept me. Thats what its all about, everything he talked about is what it means to be a Bounty Hunter. I tried that on Bria, tried to organise BH's, at first got a great response, joined a guild and tried to do that, what happened, i left the guild due to not being able to do any of that, was told basically too much hassle. I dont want Bounty Hunting to be like normal missions, grab it off the terms, go out to a WP, boring.

I've been here 12months and been a BH the whole time, tried various templates, had fun. For a long time all i did was NPC marks, but i treated it like like a job, something to be proud of. I'd spend hours acting out all the things i wanted to be as a BH. Many said i was weak, or this that or the other cause i never hunted Jedi, to me it wasnt just about hunting Jedi, nope. To me, it was my choice what i hunted, i always stayed within character. Now i do hunt both and i enjoy spending time doing the Intel work, writing up stuff, even got to the point of making an online Intel network for Bria's BHs in flash, no one showed any interest. Hasnt stopped me working on it. I help out new Hunters, try to do what i can.

But if this goes thru, then it will be a sad day in this game and as the OP said it needs to be talked about.

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jimcabtv wrote:

Sorry for jumping into the BH forum guys...Rambow, you make really good points and I actually agree with you on alot of them as well. The BH/Jedi system does need some fine tuning, but not in the way the devs are planning it....but I really came in here to asksomething....

If Jedi didn't receive an xp loss, would you still enjoy the hunting experience that you have? This is really the important issue at hand, as alot of BH's these days claim that the xp loss is necessary...I do think it helps control the jedi population somewhat, but really....if the xp loss is the only motivation you have, wouldn't this new system tailor to your needs just the same? I'm just trying to get some good answers on this one.....I prefer to hunt just to hunt, for the thrill of it. I have a BH on another server that is used for this purpose...I care not to hinder the jedi's progress...I only hunt to experience the hunt and receive the pay.

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No I dont think Bhs control Jedi population very much at all... but i oppose getting rid of XP loss, its the only thing from keeping the grind some what exciting. Ask yourself if you really want jedi to be a normal profession? Because you cant ask for the power of an alpha class with no risks.

Well Im both a jedi and a bh. So I get to see both sides of it. Right now one of the best ways for bhs to get kills are to go down the Ryatt trails to see all the jedi who are down there. Specially if said jedi are AFK grinding. (One of the main reasons I miss buffs. Buffs set how long you can actually grind.)

And lots of times I pass that information on to other bhs so that they can go after marks down there. I really think that having the removal of the terminal names is just a bad idea. I dont mind bhs coming after me. Love the fight.