Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: A TIMELINE CORRECT, JEDI-FREE SERVER OPTION?
JoBoFedderish wrote:
But I do feel 90% of players have Jedi powers these days.
This was taken from the Jedi forums, I hope this is an exaggeration but I do see many heading this direction.
Well lets see, maybe I can break this down into simpler terms for you.....
Return to canon, timeline where there were 4 jedi including sith. Give us a CHOICE of server. This means those that want to play on jedi filled servers can and those that want a timeline correct server can have that choice as well. That way we can have GCW without mass jedi, or go overt without jedi gank squads trashing all "norms". Go read other threads about the same ideas and you will see its not me but many other players who wish to play Star Wars not KOTOR. I have fun playing the game but its difficult if not impossible to participate in the GCW without seeing more jedi that non-jedi. Dont worry bout me, Im not mad, just fed up with all the breaks and abandonment of the timeline.
If A jedi were asking for a BH free server you guys would be flamering from now till
Perdition freezes over. Who cares if people don't like jedi. Jedi don't like a lot of BH's
either. You talk about 4 jedi, two being sith, well, I'm quite sure that 90% of the galaxy's
population didn't hold a BH's license. People just hate what they can'thandle.
But there in lies the problem. By asking to remove BHs you'd be removing a non-alpha class. The reason for wanting a server without Jedi is not just for the timeline but because it would help settle PvP as well. With the current state of things, PvP is Jedi vs Jedi. As far as I see, it's just the FRS without the ranks. I could be off with my analogy, but the point is that PvP is far overrun by Jedi. By eliminating the alpha class you allow PvP to become more dynamic.
Also, by making a BH free server, you wouldn't really have a basis behind it. Because then you wouldn't be hunted? I think that sounds a bit silly to create a new server to remove one feature of the game. To create one server to remove something people see as a major hindrance in PvP and timeline wise, though, is a larger goal that seems more apt.
As for your comment on 90% of the galaxies population being BHs. There could be quite a few reasons behind this you know. One of them being that many people are BHs for the Jedi. They perhaps want to hunt jedi and feel that you're on more fair footing in that regards to PvP then they would be walking up combatant or /duel. In other words, who's to truly say what the percentage of BHs would be on a server in which Jedi's don't exist. That aside though, a lot of the EU that I've dug through actually seems to hint that Bounty Hunting is a very profitable business during the time of the Civil War and was encouraged by the Imperials as well as the New and Old Republic. This being what I've gleaned from it all, it seems that the number of bounty hunters are far greater then what one would imagine it would be. The difference comes in the fact that not many are successful.
In relation to that point, I would not mind seeing the difficulty of being a bounty hunter and a successful one at that being increased. It wouldcull the numbers and make the class as a whole more challenging. But I feel for that to take place there would have to be quite a few changes with key systems that the devs would be less inclined to do.
All that being said, I feel that a Jedi free server would benefit the community in a few ways both jedi and non-jedi alike. More over, I could see that server becoming a fairly decent hub for PvP if there was the ability to transfer to said server for free for a time being. The reason I say that is because I believe they currently charge as well as the fact that people are less inclined to leave their characters behind for social reasons as well as achievements. By allowing characters to be transferred at no cost it would allow people the free choice to start a life elsewhere without having to destroy everything they had. More over, it would allow the movements of whole communities allowing the server to get a jump start so to speak.
Now, to be honest, I believe the entire thing is completely a pipe-dream. It's obvious that SOE wants to make Jedi the draw to the game and make it appear as the end-game to many people. They also want to promote it and use it as the draw to pull people into SWG. If you need any proof of this... well.. I'll feel kinda sorry for you. But the best place to lookis around the site. The main video they have,is one example. Not to mention that whole press release on the new expansion. The entire thing kept referring to Jediand only gave a somewhat side-ways glance towards the rest. What this all means, is that they would never create a Jedi free server. As far as I see it, they wouldn't for a couple reasons.One, because it wouldn't have their 'cash cow' on it. Two, I feel that a lot of people would get up and leave to that servergiven the chance.
I know a lot of roleplayers on my server would probably up and leave and with the strong community ties these games tend to have, that means the rest of that facet of the community would follow. From how much Bounty Hunters on these boards seem to bemoan over Jedi, I wouldn't doubt that quite a few would leave just so they don't have to deal with them anymore. From there, if there's enough, PvP might indeed start up with a new vigor and that in turn would draw more people. In essence, I could see a server like that becoming quite a large one assuming enough things were put in motion.
I should digress though... I feel completely removing Jedi is not entirely the answer. In truth I wish that there was a better way for Jedi to be chosen and that it started with Force Sensitives. The quests they had to complete would be long and arduous and this was simply to unlock one simple force sensitive line. The system would then continue on, each box requiring a new quest. When you reached a certain point, considered random and pretty much a minute point anyway, you would be able to start the quest for the jedi. At which point you would have to seek out your jedi master, different for each person and could spawn anywhere and moves about on occasion. In essence, to achieve Jedi could take years solely to start the quest to become one. This point though, is incredibly off-topic.
Message Edited by RavonDark on 08-28-2005 04:51 PM
Why can't you Jedi understand that you're not playing a regular character? Jedi are a very exceptional part of Star Wars and should be incorporated into the game as such. Yes the timeline was trashed long ago, but why does it have to be? BHers, Smugglers, CMs, Artisans, etc... all belong here, Jedi DO NOT! It has been made very very clear that Jedi are all but extinct. The opportunity to play in a more accurate SWG would be great.
I, as well as many other people here (not enough imo), bought this game because we favor the timeline it was supposed to take place in. Most true StarWars fans do. This jedi craze is a fad brought on by 3 cheeseball movies that shall remain nameless... and it will pass, leaving only us real fans. Unfortunately, by then jedi will continue to be the 'norm' in SWG that you MMO powergamers will be too accustomed to playing, and will be too late to bring down to a more reasonable level. Somethinghas tobe done NOW, and you jedi have to realize that you're portratying somethng very important in SW lore.
A Jedi free server, although an excellent idea I would jump all over if given the opportunity, would probably not be practical for the devs to incorporate, despite the idea's popularity. Instead, we should think about reasonable solutions on ALL servers to make everyone happy, with continuity apriority element.
Of course not everyone will be happy, and I'm probably gonna get the torch for this, but the feelings of jedi should be a secondary concern. You are given an alt, something the rest of us have to pay $15/mo for. If you don't like the restrictions placed on your jedi, you can always playyour character that actually belongs in the SWU at this time.
PS: Please stop comparing this game to WoW, EQ, or others. The reason is because the StarWars universe has already been created, it has a serious following of fans and inconsistencies in FACTare insulting. Most other MMO'scan't have continuity issues because theres nothing for them to have to adhere to.
RavonDark wrote:
If A jedi were asking for a BH free server you guys would be flamering from now till
Perdition freezes over. Who cares if people don't like jedi. Jedi don't like a lot of BH's
either. You talk about 4 jedi, two being sith, well, I'm quite sure that 90% of the galaxy's
population didn't hold a BH's license. People just hate what they can'thandle.
But there in lies the problem. By asking to remove BHs you'd be removing a non-alpha class. The reason for wanting a server without Jedi is not just for the timeline but because it would help settle PvP as well. With the current state of things, PvP is Jedi vs Jedi. As far as I see, it's just the FRS without the ranks. I could be off with my analogy, but the point is that PvP is far overrun by Jedi. By eliminating the alpha class you allow PvP to become more dynamic.
Also, by making a BH free server, you wouldn't really have a basis behind it. Because then you wouldn't be hunted? I think that sounds a bit silly to create a new server to remove one feature of the game. To create one server to remove something people see as a major hindrance in PvP and timeline wise, though, is a larger goal that seems more apt.
As for your comment on 90% of the galaxies population being BHs. There could be quite a few reasons behind this you know. One of them being that many people are BHs for the Jedi. They perhaps want to hunt jedi and feel that you're on more fair footing in that regards to PvP then they would be walking up combatant or /duel. In other words, who's to truly say what the percentage of BHs would be on a server in which Jedi's don't exist. That aside though, a lot of the EU that I've dug through actually seems to hint that Bounty Hunting is a very profitable business during the time of the Civil War and was encouraged by the Imperials as well as the New and Old Republic. This being what I've gleaned from it all, it seems that the number of bounty hunters are far greater then what one would imagine it would be. The difference comes in the fact that not many are successful.
In relation to that point, I would not mind seeing the difficulty of being a bounty hunter and a successful one at that being increased. It wouldcull the numbers and make the class as a whole more challenging. But I feel for that to take place there would have to be quite a few changes with key systems that the devs would be less inclined to do.
All that being said, I feel that a Jedi free server would benefit the community in a few ways both jedi and non-jedi alike. More over, I could see that server becoming a fairly decent hub for PvP if there was the ability to transfer to said server for free for a time being. The reason I say that is because I believe they currently charge as well as the fact that people are less inclined to leave their characters behind for social reasons as well as achievements. By allowing characters to be transferred at no cost it would allow people the free choice to start a life elsewhere without having to destroy everything they had. More over, it would allow the movements of whole communities allowing the server to get a jump start so to speak.
Now, to be honest, I believe the entire thing is completely a pipe-dream. It's obvious that SOE wants to make Jedi the draw to the game and make it appear as the end-game to many people. They also want to promote it and use it as the draw to pull people into SWG. If you need any proof of this... well.. I'll feel kinda sorry for you. But the best place to lookis around the site. The main video they have,is one example. Not to mention that whole press release on the new expansion. The entire thing kept referring to Jediand only gave a somewhat side-ways glance towards the rest. What this all means, is that they would never create a Jedi free server. As far as I see it, they wouldn't for a couple reasons.One, because it wouldn't have their 'cash cow' on it. Two, I feel that a lot of people would get up and leave to that servergiven the chance.
I know a lot of roleplayers on my server would probably up and leave and with the strong community ties these games tend to have, that means the rest of that facet of the community would follow. From how much Bounty Hunters on these boards seem to bemoan over Jedi, I wouldn't doubt that quite a few would leave just so they don't have to deal with them anymore. From there, if there's enough, PvP might indeed start up with a new vigor and that in turn would draw more people. In essence, I could see a server like that becoming quite a large one assuming enough things were put in motion.
I should digress though... I feel completely removing Jedi is not entirely the answer. In truth I wish that there was a better way for Jedi to be chosen and that it started with Force Sensitives. The quests they had to complete would be long and arduous and this was simply to unlock one simple force sensitive line. The system would then continue on, each box requiring a new quest. When you reached a certain point, considered random and pretty much a minute point anyway, you would be able to start the quest for the jedi. At which point you would have to seek out your jedi master, different for each person and could spawn anywhere and moves about on occasion. In essence, to achieve Jedi could take years solely to start the quest to become one. This point though, is incredibly off-topic.
Message Edited by RavonDark on 08-28-2005 04:51 PM