Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Is this an exploit?
DaTick
Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:43 am
#248
hell man I regularlyhave overts on /follow datick /duel ing eachother &throwing area attacks... it happens about 10 times a dayto me & sometimes bythesame peoplecomplaining about/duel tobreak stasis & no CRS will ever do anything tohelpyou they won't do anything when peopleslpoit touse stims every 15 secs theywont' doanythng when BH paralyze you & start throwing DOT onyouwhile cloaked (I knowBH that have this tricky macro to accomplish this)CSR just plain don't care to stop any sploits that are goingoninthe game. My advice just suck it up & deal with it.
Saereth
Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:05 am
#249
yes you can track a cloaked person with droids and he probably /follow 'ed you because that still works
Eskie
Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:47 am
#250
Tabby224 wrote:I don't know if this has been asked before (i'm sure it probably has been) the other night I was sitting cloaked at Jabba's waiting for a friend to do the vette when a bounty hunter same and stood right on top of me. since he was right on top of me and released a seeker droid i figured he was my bh'er. He is rebel and so am I so I sent a tell asking hm if his guild leader knew that he was hunting rebel jedi and he said that they encouraged it. At that time some guy walked up and I can only guess this bh'er sent him a tell to duel him because all of a sudden this guy became agroed and I was attacked cloaked. I stood up and ran and the bh'er followed me everywhere i went. And told me in tells that he could track me with seeker droids cloaked or not and had waypoints of my exact location. I don't believe that you can track a cloaked jedi, I think he had me targeted somehow and was following me. I want to know if the dueling someone with an area attack to attack me is an exploit and if following a cloaked jedi is also (I know that cloak is getting changed but as of the way the game is right now). I sent in a ticket and they said they would check into the issue immediately but didn't answer my question. Does anyone know? Thanks
a) BH Seekers do give the waypoints of cloaked Jedi. If he is using enough seekers he can get pretty frequent updates on your position. No exploit involved, working as intended. Force Cloak is a mind trick to make people think youre not there, you cannot influence droid brains.
b) He dueled a guy next to you and used area attacks. Area attacks will hit you if he has a TEF on you. Same reason as for a), you trick him into not seeing you, but you are physically there and therefore will be hit by area attacks used on nearby targets.
Eskie
Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:50 am
#251
Saereth wrote:
yes you can track a cloaked person with droids and he probably /follow 'ed you because that still works
If he really was using /follow then he was exploiting - just to clear that up.
Bust-A-Cap
Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:55 am
#252
In the post he states that he and the BH are both rebs.
pussycat wrote:
If you saw a blue dot coming, why stay put? You could have gone inside Jabba's, keep moving and make it hard for them to keep up with you... who knows, the BH might not even had access to all the areas in the themepark...
I'd always start with the assumption that blue dots must be /examined whether or not you are cloaked... if they have MBH badge, may be best to keep your distance, don't make it easy for them.
wildcat84
Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:51 am
#253
What the BH did smells exploitish. I doubt the CSR's would do anything about it though.
The other issue is same faction hunting... If I were you, I'd find the names of his guild's Jedi and turn the rest of the rebel BH's on your server loose on `em until that rogue guild changes it's policy or joins the faction that it's helping.
The other issue is same faction hunting... If I were you, I'd find the names of his guild's Jedi and turn the rest of the rebel BH's on your server loose on `em until that rogue guild changes it's policy or joins the faction that it's helping.
shadowhound
Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:11 pm
#254
if the bh intentionally used duel to hit is mark (meaning u in cloak). and the bh knows that if a jedi is cloak there is no other way to attack the jedi unless they use an exploit or other means that was not intended by soethen yes that is an exploit
but if the bh was dueling for fun while he waited for you to pop up or his seeker to update with a new waypoint then that is not an eploit.
so it depends on while u were cloaked did the bh and his friend that was dueling follow you around and try to hit you with an aoe. if so then yes the bh was exploiting and i would report him for that.
mazrim
sunrunner
Ialwysdie
Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:25 pm
#255
Tabby224 wrote:
I don't know if this has been asked before (i'm sure it probably has been) the other night I was sitting cloaked at Jabba's waiting for a friend to do the vette when a bounty hunter same and stood right on top of me. since he was right on top of me and released a seeker droid i figured he was my bh'er. He is rebel and so am I so I sent a tell asking hm if his guild leader knew that he was hunting rebel jedi and he said that they encouraged it. At that time some guy walked up and I can only guess this bh'er sent him a tell to duel him because all of a sudden this guy became agroed and I was attacked cloaked. I stood up and ran and the bh'er followed me everywhere i went. And told me in tells that he could track me with seeker droids cloaked or not and had waypoints of my exact location. I don't believe that you can track a cloaked jedi, I think he had me targeted somehow and was following me. I want to know if the dueling someone with an area attack to attack me is an exploit and if following a cloaked jedi is also (I know that cloak is getting changed but as of the way the game is right now). I sent in a ticket and they said they would check into the issue immediately but didn't answer my question. Does anyone know? Thanks
Nope no exploit at all.
When you are cloaked you aren't supposed to be able to be targeted and unnattackable only to direct attacks.
Area attacks can still hit you if you are in the line of fire for them. If you were out in the wild they could have aggroed a mob over using area attacks and done the same thing. The duel was more of a convenience.
Jedi cloak has nothing to do with seeker droids nor does it affect their tracking. You can run anywhere Completely cloaked and a BH can find your exact location as long as you stay in one place. That is not an exploit.
Also just FYI if you ran away using Forcerun they don't need the droids. They can follow your Forcerun trail as that is not masked by cloak along with using any of the force buffs or healing.
You are thinking that Force Cloak makes you invincible it does not and it's not an Exploit to use Area Attacks or Bombdroids to Cause damage to a cloaked Jedi and being cloaked doesn't make you untrackable.
sememon
Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:47 pm
#256
Yes, there was an exploit in that little story.
dueling a friend so he could hit you was an exploit, just as a BH dueling a friend to break statis or a jedi dueling a friend to get DB'd are all exploits.
And FYI, you can still be followed and tracked while cloaked.
dubber2558
Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:48 pm
#257
shadowhound wrote:
if the bh intentionally used duel to hit is mark (meaning u in cloak). and the bh knows that if a jedi is cloak there is no other way to attack the jedi unless they use an exploit or other means that was not intended by soethen yes that is an exploit
but if the bh was dueling for fun while he waited for you to pop up or his seeker to update with a new waypoint then that is not an eploit.
so it depends on while u were cloaked did the bh and his friend that was dueling follow you around and try to hit you with an aoe. if so then yes the bh was exploiting and i would report him for that.
mazrim
sunrunner
OMG! ALL YOU CLOAKER JEDI SHOULD **edit**! As it is now you all have a "get out of jail free" card. When ever you're losing in PvP, you run and cloak. Anytime you are losing to a BH you run and cloak. Anytime there's any sign off trouble you run and cloak! And, dueling with someone and using area attacks is not an exploit! That is the only counter to /cloak. Every move has a counter to it. AI has paralyze and stasis, Force run has root and snares...
dubber2558
Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:02 pm
#258
sememon wrote:
Yes, there was an exploit in that little story.
dueling a friend so he could hit you was an exploit, just as a BH dueling a friend to break statis or a jedi dueling a friend to get DB'd are all exploits.
And FYI, you can still be followed and tracked while cloaked.
I beg to differ with your opinion, Any damage breaks stasis/paralyze, so anyone you can take damage to break stasis is not by passing a game dynamic or taking advantage of it. Just like[the devs] made it that when your cloaked mobs will still agro. That means that when you're cloaked you are attackable by anyone that can normally attack (just like overt impsdueling eachother and hitting a cloaked overt reb)only catch is they can't see you. Now, using someone to hit you while performing to DB to bypass the timer is a bug, and using a bug to an unfair advantage is an exploit.
sememon
Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:36 am
#259
dubber2558 wrote:
sememon wrote:
Yes, there was an exploit in that little story.
dueling a friend so he could hit you was an exploit, just as a BH dueling a friend to break statis or a jedi dueling a friend to get DB'd are all exploits.
And FYI, you can still be followed and tracked while cloaked.
I beg to differ with your opinion, Any damage breaks stasis/paralyze, so anyone you can take damage to break stasis is not by passing a game dynamic or taking advantage of it. Just like[the devs] made it that when your cloaked mobs will still agro. That means that when you're cloaked you are attackable by anyone that can normally attack (just like overt impsdueling eachother and hitting a cloaked overt reb)only catch is they can't see you. Now, using someone to hit you while performing to DB to bypass the timer is a bug, and using a bug to an unfair advantage is an exploit.
If a BH brings along a buddy and they duel one another, if the buddy just sits back and just hits the BH once every time the BH is in stasis, this is an exploit.
If the Jedi has a buddy duel him and DB the jedi before the BH can, this is an exploit.
If the BH brings along a buddy and duels to perform area attacks to hit a cloaked jedi, this is an exploit.
- Your using one game mechanic to effect another in a manner they were never intended, in effect your using one game mechanic to BREAK another.
- Your recieving outside help, something TEF is intended to prevent
ther34p
Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:26 am
#260
Can a BH DeathBlow a cloaked Jedi? Would not seem possible as they cannot target the Jedi, but maybe /deathblow would work ? In my encounters with a BH I cloak and run away using Parwan Nutricake. The BH generally cannot keep up with me, unless he is on a swoop. Then the only way he can stay with me is by using /follow as the droids would never update fast enough.
Also, whenever I try to use more than 1 seeker I get told that I am already tracking that target. I never hunt Jedi, only PvE, is this the difference?
And before the BH start whining about cloakers (hmm wonder where that post is that says BH never whine, must look that one up - oh there it is, and another and another. ) I never asked for your mission. My vis is generated by accident, with NPC's spawning while I am fighting. I never engage in PvP or show my LS off (as I am powers and dont even bother with a stuffed LS). I use cloak to exercise my right to not PvP. (oh and the "you went Jedi so you asked for it" argument is tired, so give it a rest.)