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Thread: Complain if we have no Jedi to hunt? I think not
This damage was made with my HLR with Squad Leader buffs... The target was a Master Doctor // Master Swords // TK 2200 ( Probably same defense asa Master Defender... if not more)
My friend took this screenshot, Look at his combat log... his name is Nasty and my name is Kannible (BH Who Shot Nasty)
RJUK wrote:
Yeah... Jedi was uber at one point and everyone wanted to be one, so they worked their hardest to grind one out... not their fault.
How would you feel if you saw Bounty Hunter as it is NOW ( really uber and able to 1 hit people ) and after you grind out your template you find out your only able to do little damage and when you heal it takes double the Original requirments... not to mention you cant outrun or get away from your target.
How would you feel then? Oh and believe me... you Bounty Hunters are able to 1 Hit Jedi... believe me! I have a screenshot
Message Edited by RJUK on 10-21-2005 03:02 PM
Please dont take this off topic
Auselan wrote:
Endymion these are really harsh statements. You can't have an immersive MMORPG in the star wars universe without Jedi. You seem to believe that Jedi should not be the uber-class.... what (RL) planet are you from? Lucas' epic universe pitches Jedi as exactly that: of course Jedi should be the uber-class (which doesn't mean that they should be invulnerable, just hard to beat by a non-Jedi). The time taken to become Jedi itself means that the players involved must have invested a considerable amount of time and energy in the game (not to mention monthly fees) and their opinions should be respected for that - they have a lot to lose.
Endymion29 wrote:
They ruin the game, they ruin the immersion experience, they run around in groups and smack-talk, whining at every new change that makes them less than the uber-class they seem to believe they should be.
If these changes are indeed planned to make these over-indulged crybabies quit, then GOOD JOB SOE!
When the jedi are rare as they should be, and the l33t-babies have gone to infect some other game with their whining, SWG will be a better place.
I actually disagree, it would be very possible to have a star wars game that dosnt have Jedi as being immersive. In fact it would be more immersive as it would reflect more the timeline the game is in. And I know that there are many other things that dont reflect the timeline.
RingSting_IOM wrote:
RJUK wrote:
Yeah... Jedi was uber at one point and everyone wanted to be one, so they worked their hardest to grind one out... not their fault.
How would you feel if you saw Bounty Hunter as it is NOW ( really uber and able to 1 hit people ) and after you grind out your template you find out your only able to do little damage and when you heal it takes double the Original requirments... not to mention you cant outrun or get away from your target.
How would you feel then? Oh and believe me... you Bounty Hunters are able to 1 Hit Jedi... believe me! I have a screenshot
Message Edited by RJUK on 10-21-2005 03:02 PM
Please dont take this off topic
RingSting_IOM wrote:
This is an observation I have had
Jedi think that there mass overpopulation is doing us a favour by offereing us more content and that if they all stop playing we will be complaining that we have no content. I find this surprising as although I doubt we will ever get to the point of having no Jedi to hunt, if we did I wouldnt complain that much, as this would turn the game into more of a star wars feeling universe.
I would be just interested to know if there are any bounty hunters out there that are going to be dissapointed if there are less Jedi to hunt.
I also support the idea of hunting smugglers this will be great fun and I even think taht it is something that they would like too.
Vegitaa wrote:
RingSting_IOM wrote:
This is an observation I have had
Jedi think that there mass overpopulation is doing us a favour by offereing us more content and that if they all stop playing we will be complaining that we have no content. I find this surprising as although I doubt we will ever get to the point of having no Jedi to hunt, if we did I wouldnt complain that much, as this would turn the game into more of a star wars feeling universe.
I would be just interested to know if there are any bounty hunters out there that are going to be dissapointed if there are less Jedi to hunt.
I also support the idea of hunting smugglers this will be great fun and I even think taht it is something that they would like too.
Here's a follow-up question. How many of you BH'er sthat hate Jedi so much have Force Sensitive skills?
Also, just because after 2 years of playing I finally unlockeddoes that make my $15 a month worth less? I didn't put Jedi in the game. Dev's did. I didn't unbalance the system or ask for any Nerfs. Dev's did. Why should I be worth any less than you?
Instead of bashing other players why dont you realize the community BEGGED for Jedi to be in the game, then BEGGED for them to be easier to get and now they complain there's too many.
I'm a player, 2 of my toons are Jedi, 2 of my toons are crafters. I've played just about every profession in the game since launch. Including BH when you had to WALK to investigation missions with a ten minute shuttle wait. So just because I have Jedi toons now you're better than me?
Wouldn't it be better to find a solution we could all live with instead of out right damning people? You realize that all that is going to result from these new changes is more than likely a Squad Leader NERF and possibly the end of Player Bounties altogether. I don't want to see that anymore than you do, I NEVER call for Nerfs, but given SOE's track record I fully expect either Exp Loss or Player Bounties to completely go away.... and IMHO that is not for the good of the game.
RingSting_IOM wrote:
Dont get me wrong im not saying I hate Jedi or anything.
An argument a lot of Jedi have used is that they are our content so we need them and want them.
I just wanted to know if that was true, and the general response is that they would prefer to see less jedi and have less mission on the terms.
/bowRespectfully
Most BH'ers are just players like the rest of us. They don't really care about the Jedi hunting. Sure, they'll go on a hunt every now and then but it's not their "content". Most BH'ers in my guild are really happier with the new NPC missions. They enjoy going on high end missions and such, and the Jedi thing is just a distraction when they're bored or looking for some PvP.
I had a lot of fun when I was MBH/MRifleman. I would go on a hunt once everytime I logged in. The hunt was the best part. Launch Probot, get planet. Travel then fire off my BH Droid jump on my scooter and track em down. Get within about 100m with my Novice Marksman tag up and /anon runnin. Then I'd kill a nearby spawn or two so they'd think I was just grinding. Stop, drop, and cover. Let the Jedi get complaciant while I slow crawl towards them under my cloak. Get within range and watch them for another few minutes. /concealShot /aim /sniperShot jump up and start charging the target with my Krayted Scatter Pistol. Block, Miss, Hit, Knockdown... it was beautiful.
Sometimes I won, sometimes I lost. I never turned down a bounty irregardless of wether or not they were a low level Paddie or a full temp FRS Knight. Thats what Player Bounties should be about. Not, grab a Squad Leader and one shot someone for 5k damage. Thats the problem now. Unfortunately the only fix the Dev's know how to put in is a Nerf so I feel bad for SL.
Listen, if they remove Jedi some people will cheer and many will leave. Good players, old school players that have been here for years. There's a better solution. BH and Jedi balanced towards each other. Forget this 1.5 times stronger crap. Should simply be a 50/50 chance of either of them winning at full template. If there was a FRS then maybe a ranked Jedi should be 1.5 but till then forget it.
I don't want nerfs at all. I want some fixes, real fixes. I want BH to enjoy the hunt and have a fair shot at me. I want to have a fair shot at surviving though. Thats what this game needs. Not more nerfs.
/salute from an old schooler that doesn't want to quit.
Vegitaa wrote:
RingSting_IOM wrote:
Dont get me wrong im not saying I hate Jedi or anything.
An argument a lot of Jedi have used is that they are our content so we need them and want them.
I just wanted to know if that was true, and the general response is that they would prefer to see less jedi and have less mission on the terms.
/bowRespectfully
Most BH'ers are just players like the rest of us. They don't really care about the Jedi hunting. Sure, they'll go on a hunt every now and then but it's not their "content". Most BH'ers in my guild are really happier with the new NPC missions. They enjoy going on high end missions and such, and the Jedi thing is just a distraction when they're bored or looking for some PvP.
I had a lot of fun when I was MBH/MRifleman. I would go on a hunt once everytime I logged in. The hunt was the best part. Launch Probot, get planet. Travel then fire off my BH Droid jump on my scooter and track em down. Get within about 100m with my Novice Marksman tag up and /anon runnin. Then I'd kill a nearby spawn or two so they'd think I was just grinding. Stop, drop, and cover. Let the Jedi get complaciant while I slow crawl towards them under my cloak. Get within range and watch them for another few minutes. /concealShot /aim /sniperShot jump up and start charging the target with my Krayted Scatter Pistol. Block, Miss, Hit, Knockdown... it was beautiful.
Sometimes I won, sometimes I lost. I never turned down a bounty irregardless of wether or not they were a low level Paddie or a full temp FRS Knight. Thats what Player Bounties should be about. Not, grab a Squad Leader and one shot someone for 5k damage. Thats the problem now. Unfortunately the only fix the Dev's know how to put in is a Nerf so I feel bad for SL.
Listen, if they remove Jedi some people will cheer and many will leave. Good players, old school players that have been here for years. There's a better solution. BH and Jedi balanced towards each other. Forget this 1.5 times stronger crap. Should simply be a 50/50 chance of either of them winning at full template. If there was a FRS then maybe a ranked Jedi should be 1.5 but till then forget it.
I don't want nerfs at all. I want some fixes, real fixes. I want BH to enjoy the hunt and have a fair shot at me. I want to have a fair shot at surviving though. Thats what this game needs. Not more nerfs.
/salute from an old schooler that doesn't want to quit.
/agree
I hope that seeing a Jedi knight will mean something as they have earnt their way in the FRS but I hope it will be a rare occurance and 1.5 times sounds great.
This has already been stated by the devs that it wont happen. So, if the devs are stating that no more player vs player bounties are going to be instituted, what will the bh do then? Granted no jedi would be a good thing for the game, as prior to the first jedis hitting in early 1/04 the game was very fun, the no jedi would also be a bad thing. I can remember prior to jedi coming into the game, the bh were always on here complaining and being overly frustrated as the npc marks were boring. If jedi were removed, in the short run I think alot of the bh wouldnt be bothered, but long term we would see the same whines about npc marks and the boring factor.
RingSting_IOM wrote:
This is an observation I have had
Jedi think that there mass overpopulation is doing us a favour by offereing us more content and that if they all stop playing we will be complaining that we have no content. I find this surprising as although I doubt we will ever get to the point of having no Jedi to hunt, if we did I wouldnt complain that much, as this would turn the game into more of a star wars feeling universe.
I would be just interested to know if there are any bounty hunters out there that are going to be dissapointed if there are less Jedi to hunt.
I also support the idea of hunting smugglers this will be great fun and I even think taht it is something that they would like too.
As a jedi and former BH, I have to say I agree with a lot of the posts here. I'm not going to get on a soapbox, but the speed at which anyone can make jedi now is the issue. If I get complaicent and get smoked by a MBH/MCM cookie cut out, then yes I deserve it. But this is not a bashing of profs. post
I think the natural selection is at work here. the more jedi that are out there the more Bh's can select from to kill. The main issue here is the people that have made jedi recently. not all of them are bad, again not a bashing post.
In the earlier days there were still jedi, just they were a bit more careful of how they worked. now with the grinds people don't care if they die. apperently to correct this issue the BH's have become like the bear when the salmon make thier runs.
eventually those jedi that do care and play it the way it should be or as intended, will et off and stay off the terms. those that keep whining have the oppertunity to stay off the terms but choose poorly. As much as it stings to say this, those that keep on whining are the ones that deserve it. they have the oppertunity, but fail to execise this.
I think that natural selection will eventually weed out the players that ruin it.