Bounty Hunter Archive

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DTQ wrote:
The craziest thing is our loots not even that good, the money we are getting for it is determined by the player driven economy, a force regen tape is only worth more than a force power max tape because thats what the players place the value on. What makes our loot good is the amount people are prepared to spend on it, thats no SoE's job to fix, they havent set the prices, the players ahve, everyone buying a CA froma BH is responsible for the value of the loot we get. If theplayers were prepared to pay1k per point on a ca the same loot would be rubbish. If for some reason people would be prepared to pay 10 mil for foraged bugs that would be the desperately sought loot. The quality of our loot is not a problem, the potential nerfcomes from what other people are prepared to pay for our loot.

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Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 05:30 AM

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Thassk wrote:
this is an attempt from a jedi or someone else angered at the loot we BH are getting

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Thassk wrote:
which will in turn nerf BH combat...
... to balance the classes and promote variety

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DTQ wrote:
The craziest thing is our loots not even that good

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Thassk wrote:

this is not the case ... the effect the item has on ones abilities in the game .. and the rarity of those items effects prices ... player set price is predictable accourding to the items importance coupled with its availability ..

What about BE clothing +19 on two stats for 25k every bit as usefull as a ca, better than most, are there more tailors making more BE clothes than Looters looting CA's? The prices are very hard to predict, CA's can go for 100k that to someone else would go for millions. I would be prepared to pay a lot of money for a ca that someone else would esteem as junk. The prices are not set or predictable, you should have heard my joy when I sold a load of ca's and crystals for 5 mil, before I discovered the forums, sure now I could sell the same lot for 20 mil, but the price isnt fixed people can and do pick up the same loot for wildly varying prices. I sold a load of powercells for 10 mil the other day, the first few people laughed at my pricing, I got in game tells to the effect of you will never sell it for more than 6 mil, I got my 10 mil! I know full well that same item sells for 2.5 mil to those with the patience to wait for the bargain. A friend of mine was VERY happy to sell a good set of scopes for 100k! Loot value is NOT fixed or Predictable its about the right person with the money at the right time.

there is no way the devs will allow such an INFLUX of AA's and SEA's to hit the market in that everyones stats would be maxed ...it would create a bland short lived experience for those players whos goals are to create maxed or "uber" characters ...

I think you will find theres plenty enough CA's on the market to create "uber" characters I see maxed items of clothing coming up for sale fairly common. a massive influx of items will reduce prices to affordable levels, especially good for this is the weird and wonderful ca combos we get, making a ca appeal to a wider audience whilst lowering the overall appeal of the ca. If ca's were handed out on woorts at ME the value would be similiar to BE clothing. I reckon even now theres enough ca's out there to drop prices, but hard bit is finding the right contacts. If you buy on the forums you are paying a premium over what you can get in came for convenience, in game CA's are trading for less than on the forums. Because many BH arent selling on the forums.

hence if the pour of high end lootinto the market becomes too much .. either:

A. SEA's and AA's will be nerfed

or

B. the loot drop %'s lowered to protect the items importance

C. the prices would drop due to mass availability.

I personally feel the best fix for the situation would be an easier vendor search function to find the mods you are looking for forcing people to compete, rather than the loudest mouth getting the sale at a inflated price. I think theres plenty of supply just many bh are either not selling or being profiteered on by merchants. I nearly destroyed my first set of powercells thinking they were junk loot! I was also excited by the possibility of what a mandalorian intraframe could be used for.

BH ca's are nothing that special for the work we put into getting them, its the prices people are prepared to pay for a small advantage that makes it so good, for example a +25 melee defense clean tape is worth millions, yet theres foods out there providing nearly 10x the mod for a faction of that by the factory crate.

Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 05:30 AM

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Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 06:04 AM

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Neomonk wrote:

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Thassk wrote:
this is an attempt from a jedi or someone else angered at the loot we BH are getting

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probably

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Thassk wrote:
which will promote everyone to go BH

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too late, everyone is already a bh Jedi

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Thassk wrote:
which will in turn nerf BH combat...
... to balance the classes and promote variety

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I sure hope so

And yes, I am a Jedi and damn proud of it.

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Thassk wrote:
which will in turn nerf BH combat...
... to balance the classes and promote variety

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( do not confuse this as a straight statement ... i think if anything BH should get MORE power not less ... we are very underpowered template-wise for the job we are expected to do...)

its just in my experience .. when too many of one class start popping up that class stands a chance to be weakened

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Neomonk wrote:

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DTQ wrote:
The craziest thing is our loots not even that good

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What are you smoking? Right now its the best loot in the game. The DEVs know that CA's and AA's are good loot because they made the drop rate on them low. If they would have thought it was normal loot, then they would be dropping left and right.

But you are right on one point. It isn't your fault that those items carry such a hefty price tag. You just can't deny the fact that its good loot and the DEVs know it.

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It might be the best loot in the game in terms of credits we can make, but all the loot from 300 missions wont give you a instant kill guaranteed death machine. The mods our stuff gives give small advantages in real terms:- General ranged accuracy +8, stucture assembly +6 weapon assembly +6, does not give any plaer a big advantage yet to someone whos looking for that final +8 to cap their accuracy that tape could sell for a fortune You can get chef foods that give far more than that. you can get BE clothes that give you more than that, but yet people pay for these small advantages, and whilst they pay I will sell, NO CA I have seen yet makes a player a god. The skill modcaps are there to prevent serious overpowering through ca's and aa's. The difference between uber and standard is probably 10% but the price is 100x as much. If our powercells sold at 10k a time our uber rifles would be 40k a time. but both BH and weaponsmith feed of each other. I stand by what I say its not our loot thats the problem, its player greed.

Its the bols I feel sorry for.

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Niccolado wrote:

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kingtes16 wrote:

This was a drop on the Tempest server. Anyone else experiance this?

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The premium and flawless pearls are taken out of the system! Even when you could loot krayt tissues and pearls from NPC rebels (and maybe NPC imperials too) they did not drop premiums, but good. More then that, since the CU went live not one person have looted any premium pearls!

Personally im inclined to believe he is wildly mistaken. Because I dont believe it was a premium or flawless pearl for a second.

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Thassk wrote:

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DTQ wrote:

( BE clothes are a lot easier to attain .. but also have been known to be broken for quite some time, hence the reason they are cheaper.. and yesprice is predictable .. just because you were ripped off and sold items for a lot cheaper than they were worth doesnt mean prices arent predictable .. i have accurately guessed the priceof MANY Ca's and AA's without everbuying them or looking into it .. and same recently withquality and premium pearls

I can guess what I can push for on the forums, but what I cant guess is what that item is attainable for in game. Do you think the forums represent the majority of transactions in game? Does a CA that someones prepared to spend 50 mil on give them a God mode? NO. Not even close. Does that one 20 mil flawless pearl guarantee a perfect sabre - no. Our loot isnt Uber, just some people are prepared to pay a fortune for it. there is no 5000 damage after armour drops, Mando armour isnt Uber is desired. There are people out there who are happy to get 20k for their CA. or who are happy to guck them at a friend for the sake of it. There is no fixed price. There is only what we think we can twist someones arm's for on the forums.

I think you will find theres plenty enough CA's on the market to create "uber" characters I see maxed items of clothing coming up for sale fairly common. a massive influx of items will reduce prices to affordable levels, especially good for this is the weird and wonderful ca combos we get, making a ca appeal to a wider audience whilst lowering the overall appeal of the ca. If ca's were handed out on woorts at ME the value would be similiar to BE clothing. I reckon even now theres enough ca's out there to drop prices, but hard bit is finding the right contacts. If you buy on the forums you are paying a premium over what you can get in came for convenience, in game CA's are trading for less than on the forums. Because many BH arent selling on the forums.

( i have to totally disagree ... they were attainable no doubt but not easily you had to know where to go to farm them .. and usually hunt dark jedi masters or dark jedi knights to get the goods ones ( +20's and over) , they are a lot easier to get now )

+20 ca's and aa's how many of those do you loot?Ive had one drop of a +19 polearm speed so far. People have been afk farming ca's for a long time before bounty hunters started looting loads, I seem to remember getting a +1000 stat resist AA from a tusken raider one time without BH. Now space loot thats where the BIG advantage loot is, and guess how many UBER weapons get sold for a few kto the npcs???

( you obviously havent followed the game much ... loot %'s come and go my friend ... they are turned on for a while then turned off ... nightsisters will drop for a month .. then not drop for a month .. its the way the devs try to balance the economy, when the availability of meleeDOT weapons was too large .. they were taken out of the game entirely ... so like i said .. A ... or B ... pick one ..

I havent followed the game from day one or even constantly from when I did start in 2003 but I know full well loot percentages change all the time but so do values of items for a PRIME example of what im talking baout look no further than the bane of BH existence smuggler loot, remember ICB's selling for 2 mil, they are often dumped now, not because demand has gone down but because so many are looted EXACTLY the same thing could happen to CA's and AA's lets face it a ICB can give you a far bigger real advantage than a single CA. if CA's dropped like ICB's the prices would drop very quickly and the advantages mitigated by the fact that eeryone lvl 80 could afford them. EXACTLY as has been happening with smuggler loots.

Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 06:04 AM

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DTQ wrote:

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Thassk wrote:

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DTQ wrote:

( BE clothes are a lot easier to attain .. but also have been known to be broken for quite some time, hence the reason they are cheaper.. and yesprice is predictable .. just because you were ripped off and sold items for a lot cheaper than they were worth doesnt mean prices arent predictable .. i have accurately guessed the priceof MANY Ca's and AA's without everbuying them or looking into it .. and same recently withquality and premium pearls

I can guess what I can push for on the forums, but what I cant guess is what that item is attainable for in game. Do you think the forums represent the majority of transactions in game? Does a CA that someones prepared to spend 50 mil on give them a God mode? NO. Not even close. Does that one 20 mil flawless pearl guarantee a perfect sabre - no. Our loot isnt Uber, just some people are prepared to pay a fortune for it. there is no 5000 damage after armour drops, Mando armour isnt Uber is desired. There are people out there who are happy to get 20k for their CA. or who are happy to guck them at a friend for the sake of it. There is no fixed price. There is only what we think we can twist someones arm's for on the forums.

I think you will find theres plenty enough CA's on the market to create "uber" characters I see maxed items of clothing coming up for sale fairly common. a massive influx of items will reduce prices to affordable levels, especially good for this is the weird and wonderful ca combos we get, making a ca appeal to a wider audience whilst lowering the overall appeal of the ca. If ca's were handed out on woorts at ME the value would be similiar to BE clothing. I reckon even now theres enough ca's out there to drop prices, but hard bit is finding the right contacts. If you buy on the forums you are paying a premium over what you can get in came for convenience, in game CA's are trading for less than on the forums. Because many BH arent selling on the forums.

( i have to totally disagree ... they were attainable no doubt but not easily you had to know where to go to farm them .. and usually hunt dark jedi masters or dark jedi knights to get the goods ones ( +20's and over) , they are a lot easier to get now )

+20 ca's and aa's how many of those do you loot?Ive had one drop of a +19 polearm speed so far. People have been afk farming ca's for a long time before bounty hunters started looting loads, I seem to remember getting a +1000 stat resist AA from a tusken raider one time without BH. Now space loot thats where the BIG advantage loot is, and guess how many UBER weapons get sold for a few kto the npcs???

( you obviously havent followed the game much ... loot %'s come and go my friend ... they are turned on for a while then turned off ... nightsisters will drop for a month .. then not drop for a month .. its the way the devs try to balance the economy, when the availability of meleeDOT weapons was too large .. they were taken out of the game entirely ... so like i said .. A ... or B ... pick one ..

I havent followed the game from day one or even constantly from when I did start in 2003 but I know full well loot percentages change all the time but so do values of items for a PRIME example of what im talking baout look no further than the bane of BH existence smuggler loot, remember ICB's selling for 2 mil, they are often dumped now, not because demand has gone down but because so many are looted EXACTLY the same thing could happen to CA's and AA's lets face it a ICB can give you a far bigger real advantage than a single CA. if CA's dropped like ICB's the prices would drop very quickly and the advantages mitigated by the fact that eeryone lvl 80 could afford them. EXACTLY as has been happening with smuggler loots.

Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 06:04 AM

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see now im confused because .. you are conflicting with youroriginal statement .. and saying that items ARE in fact controlled by drop %'s and not players ...

and dont fool yourself ... CA's and AA's arent something the devs will be willing to put into a "throw away" category ... the ability to increase stats in every MMORPG has always been coveted and rare ...

but we will see soon enough ... and when the changes come i will bump this thread .. and say " i told you so " because i still contend that A the %'s will be nerfed .. or B the ca's and aa's will work differently .. as in stick random mods instead of the way they work now .. and you will see single mod AA's and CA's take up the slack on "uber expensive" gear

Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 06:36 AM