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Thread: A thought on house sitting

Oblox
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:45 am
#14



DathylBran wrote:


Oblox wrote:


But thats the point i dont know i am. I could **modbot** to the shop and not want to logoff and get stuck in traffic or have an accident or anything.



Why would you go out and leave yourself logged into the game? Seems pointless.





Because it usually takes 5-10 mins.



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sprognak
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:47 am
#15






DathylBran wrote:


So a Jedi can choose PvP on/off whenever they feel like it?








Why not? My BH does.


Jedi are there for more than BH content you know... Once in a while, you'll stumble on one that's afk in a house - so live with it. Either set up camp and wait for them to come out, or go get a new mission.




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DathylBran
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:49 am
#16






sprognak wrote:






DathylBran wrote:


So a Jedi can choose PvP on/off whenever they feel like it?








Why not? My BH does.


Jedi are there for more than BH content you know... Once in a while, you'll stumble on one that's afk in a house - so live with it. Either set up camp and wait for them to come out, or go get a new mission.





I do.


Jedi are more than BH content yes, but BH content they are, and should be so. They are supposed to be hunted.






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GlargTheKelfn
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:51 am
#17



DathylBran wrote:


GlargTheKelfn wrote:


as long as you force ppl to pvp who don't want to, this problem will continue. let the ones who want to fight fight. if only sf jedi are listed, you can be sure you will find a mark that will stand and fight you. if you are so intent on making everyone fight, regardless of what they want, then get used to staring at the red force field.

Lets get this straight, are you * really* suggesting that Jedi can turn on/off the PvP aspect of the Jedi game?

So what actual risk would a Jedi have then, seeing as they could simply turn PvP off?

It's not about Jedi running, thats part of the game and part of the fun from my perspective. If they escape they won and well done. It's not even about house sitting, I am patient enough to play the role as it should be. What it is about for me, and I admit from an RP perspective, is that a door shouldn't stop a BH.







the bh / jedi forced pvp dynamic is one of the worst game descisions ever made. it has done nothing but cause hate and a string of nerfs. the current system is a left over from pre cu days. xp loss was put in to stop farming, yet it's still there. remove that, and jedi will fight.

or give us a pve jedi setting. quite a few jedi have 0 interest in being uber or pvp. they just want to play jedi. at some point the change WILL happen. jedi had all the risk put in when they could handle 10+ normals at once. now, a single bh is a challenge for most post cu saber holders, yet all the risk is still there.

why would you be against this? you will get to fight marks who actually want to fight. or would you rather force 1/2 finished guys to run to their house as they stand no chance?

forced pvp has to go. it's not healthy for the game, and causes so many problems. you make this change, and the whole house sitting issue disappears.




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DathylBran
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:57 am
#18






GlargTheKelfn wrote:



the bh / jedi forced pvp dynamic is one of the worst game descisions ever made. it has done nothing but cause hate and a string of nerfs. the current system is a left over from pre cu days. xp loss was put in to stop farming, yet it's still there. remove that, and jedi will fight.

or give us a pve jedi setting. quite a few jedi have 0 interest in being uber or pvp. they just want to play jedi. at some point the change WILL happen. jedi had all the risk put in when they could handle 10+ normals at once. now, a single bh is a challenge for most post cu saber holders, yet all the risk is still there.

why would you be against this? you will get to fight marks who actually want to fight. or would you rather force 1/2 finished guys to run to their house as they stand no chance?

forced pvp has to go. it's not healthy for the game, and causes so many problems. you make this change, and the whole house sitting issue disappears.





The forced PvP/xp losswas implemented if I recall to assist in controlling the Jedi population. That worked didn't it?


I can see where you are coming from with the PvE Jedi though. How about a compromise, say significantly reduced xp gain whilst PvE? Risk vs. Reward.




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sprognak
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:00 am
#19







I do.


Jedi are more than BH content yes, but BH content they are, and should be so. They are supposed to be hunted.








Good - and althought not the way many believe it should be - it is currently the case.


But know this, a Jedi will make it as damned difficult for you kill them as possible...




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GlargTheKelfn
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:02 am
#20

xp loss went in to stop jedi / bh teams from farming the missions, not for some form of pop control. if you want to read the red name posts back to 03 you'll see that. i was here when it happened

it needs to end. jedi have NO positives to fighting. even if they win, they just get more vis, and are sure to have lotf of bh visits.

it's a poorly designed system and it doesn't work. making the system opt-in would guarentee bh would find a mark that is willing to stand and fight. removing xp loss would help in that direction, but there are still jedi who just don't like pvp.




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DathylBran
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:04 am
#21






sprognak wrote:






I do.


Jedi are more than BH content yes, but BH content they are, and should be so. They are supposed to be hunted.








Good - and althought not the way many believe it should be - it is currently the case.


But know this, a Jedi will make it as damned difficult for you kill them as possible...






And that is as it should be.


For want of a better word, 'realism', ie being stopped by a door, is the issue here for me. Not the Jedi escaping.






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Oblox
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:05 am
#22



DathylBran wrote:


sprognak wrote:


I do.

Jedi are more than BH content yes, but BH content they are, and should be so. They are supposed to be hunted.




Good - and althought not the way many believe it should be - it is currently the case.
But know this, a Jedi will make it as damned difficult for you kill them as possible...



And that is as it should be.

For want of a better word, 'realism', ie being stopped by a door, is the issue here for me. Not the Jedi escaping.






Then let me an evil jedi have the realism to break into your house and take your stuff, my lightsaber cuts right through your armour as its not got cortosis weave in it and my force lightning forces you writhging to the floor.

Realism works numerous ways, this is not realistic its a game for fun.



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sprognak
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:06 am
#23






DathylBran wrote:



And that is as it should be.


For want of a better word, 'realism', ie being stopped by a door, is the issue here for me. Not the Jedi escaping.







Realism being stopped? Oh come on! What's the realism in a Bounty Hunter busting into a group full of same faction Jedi, and taking one out, then running away while the other 7 Jedi stand and watch helpless???



You want realism, you're playing the wrong game.






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DathylBran
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:11 am
#24






sprognak wrote:





DathylBran wrote:



And that is as it should be.


For want of a better word, 'realism', ie being stopped by a door, is the issue here for me. Not the Jedi escaping.







Realism being stopped? Oh come on! What's the realism in a Bounty Hunter busting into a group full of same faction Jedi, and taking one out, then running away while the other 7 Jedi stand and watch helpless???



You want realism, you're playing the wrong game.








I don't agree with the combatant system either, and the nonsense of people farming faction NPCs outside starports.


I agree with you, a middle line, a compromise, is what discussions such as this hopefully achieve.






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sprognak
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:16 am
#25






DathylBran wrote:


I don't agree with the combatant system either, and the nonsense of people farming faction NPCs outside starports.

I agree with you, a middle line, a compromise, is what discussions such as this hopefully achieve.








Forcing Jedi out of their private houses isn't the answer though. The answer is suprisingly simple, yet profound.


Hack Jedi exp in groups down to 10% of it's current value.


Set Jedi exp to the normal 4-5K per kill if they are PAIRED or SOLO.


Give a 10% bonus for experience on the planets with the lowest server load at that particular time.


Give a 400% increase in visibility for actions taken in the bondaries of a PC or NPC town - regardless of whether or not a person is within 32m.


Give Jedi a TEF that makes them attackable to all MBH's if they use their abilities in front of a non grouped non aligned PC - Tef lasts for 2minutes.


Give BH a TEF that makes them attackable to all Jedi of the same faction they are fighting for - Tef lasts for 2minutes.


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It sounds drastic, but if you actually think on it - a LOT in the game would change...

Message Edited by sprognak on 10-11-2005 03:17 PM




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DathylBran
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:16 am
#26






Oblox wrote:



Then let me an evil jedi have the realism to break into your house and take your stuff, my lightsaber cuts right through your armour as its not got cortosis weave in it and my force lightning forces you writhging to the floor.

Realism works numerous ways, this is not realistic its a game for fun.





Nice idea, how would that 'evil' Jedi know about me? Have I failed a few missions and am on the terms? Fair enough, but that would be a BH come for me would it not?


Perhaps once you are FS then Jedi would notice you, but what would get you noticed by them?


I like the idea, but then BH is going to have to have staus equal to Jedi to force the PvP, and Jedi won't like that.


The argument about game/fun is often used simply to strengthen ones own viewpoint, which is not neccesarily best for all. The way I would like,the way *you* would like it, etc etc.




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