Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: My farewell...
LintonLisa wrote:1) never had that problem in pvp
2) BHs have never had trouble standing when I knock them down
This is since publish 20
Its not a bug, you are doing something wrong. knockdown lasts less than a second if you hit knockdown recov, and then can not be reapplied for over 60 seconds. Better than before, when you could dizzy knockdown, and be unable to get up for like 10 minutes!
Vet? Did you play pre-CU?
Uhh, check this out and see if you still think that http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j6sz.jpg
this bug happens to me all the time, i hate it
Tucheck wrote:
Two things...
One: I'm taking another Jedi mission JUST to test out the "spamming" suggestion. I will hit the KD recovery ONCE every two seconds.
Two: I'm starting to believe that it may effect CMs more so then any other profession. It has been suggested that the "timers" of these different abilities and specials are getting "mixed" up with one another.
Childish to quit because of this or not...even adults have their limits.
I don't think it's spamming the "KD Recovery Special". I think it's from spamming something like Adv. Crit Shot. a few times immediately before getting knocked down.
Like, if you hit Adv. Crit Shot2 times. One executes, the next one sits in the next action queue. In the middle of the cool down timer for the first Adv. Crit Shot you get knocked down. While you're lying on your back the cooldown timer on the last Adv. Crit Shot is completed, but the next Adv. Crit Shot that was in the queue attempts to execute. I think the bug happens at this point. The combat queue tries to execute the Adv. Crit Shot that was in the queue and gets stuck in a loop.
I was thinking that if you manually cleared the combat queue before the KD recover, then it might circumvent the bug.
To test it out you'd make a macro like: /clearCombatQueue; /KDRecovery (don't know the exact commands)
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I don't take offense to the fact that many people seem to think I'm a complete idiot and have no idea how to play my profession (I've been hearing it as an insult from Jedi now for a while, so I'm kind of used to it), I just think the only way to fully understand it, is to have it happen to you, over and over again.
A bit about this fight....I had a target macro running (very normal, many BHs use them), and I started to use a "states" macro right before I was KDed. It's a small non-recursive application of states, nothing big. As soon as I was KDed I did a dump, and got the all clear that 2 commands were paused. I tried KD recovery twice, never healed, and got about 3 TOTAL shots off, so it's obvious that I have plenty of mind and action. I was KDed and never got up. I didn't "spam" KD recovery and the "double looking attempt" was simply where the SS cut off and started again.
This fight literally lasted LESS then a minute. These types of fights have been getting more and more frequent despite most everything I've tried.
Look, I appericate everyone who THINKS they have the solution, and ignore the people who think it doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them. But the bottom line is this...there is SOMETHING (PvP or profession based) that makes it next to impossible now for some of us to be a BH. If I can't do that, I don't want to play.
THE ONLY thing that stands out is the LAG issue. When the system tells me that I cannot use Thyroid Rupture while Knocked Down (23:06:38)....that's part of the macro that I dumped (as confirmed at 23:06:31). I did NOT manually hit this attack, why then did it STILL try to execute 7 seconds latter? The macro? Perhaps. However, I have experienced the SAME results with fights that were entirely "macro free". Believe me folks, I have tried EVERYTHING.
It really doesn't matter though....even if I knew the cause, the problem would still remain. What does this mean for guys like me whos profession has such long timers that they MAY be interfering with a simple ability such as Knock Down Recovery? It means I can either use my speicals, or I can stand up....that kind of negates the reason for having special abilities.
Furthermore, and lastly...as we notice from Blixtev, in his last post, many things do not get the attention they deserve unless it is experienced by the Devs themselves. I believe this means I'll be taking a VERY long break, unless something else grabs my atention, in which case I will simply quit the game all together.
Criticize, scrutinize, or deny all you want. Unless this happens to you on a nightly basis, I can almost see where you wouldn't understand.
OhBuggah wrote:/dump only dumps macros, not the combat queue.I'm going to make a macro that looks like this and put it in my knockdown recovery slot on the toolbar./ui action clearCombatQueue;/knockdownRecovery;Then I'll press it whenever I get knocked down to see if this is the problem.
Did IT work?
Look, just wait for pub 21 and see what happens. I'm sure it won't be that long away.
if you don't want to pay the money untill then that's okay, just stop account now and watch forums once pub 21 come back.
You will have had a break and be ready to give things a chance.
Tucheck wrote:
darksondarksy wrote:
how is your action bar when kd'd?
I appericate your efforts to help resolve this "issue", but you will have to trust me. My mind AND action always usually always more then half full....why do you think I get so angry? I've died enough to a Jedi when I deserved it to know that I should NOT be dying because I simply cannot stand up.
I'll put it to you like THIS:
I once dueled a player on our server 3 times in a row (non-Jedi)...all 3 times his first attack was a KD....all three times I never got up.
IF SWG wants to "nudge" everyone into PvE...well that's fine, but I'd rather stay with PvP, and if the Devs won't give me a choice, then I always have option C(ancle).
I've had it happen to me in PVE too.
Kind ofsad that through coming back to huge changes to BH, lasting as a ranged BH through saber-block, countless arguements with me, and a myriad of other downers, it's a simple-yet annoying-bug that convinces you to quit.
KD then disarm startle shot alternately keeps the player perma KD and recovery does not work.
Tucheck wrote:
darksondarksy wrote:
how is your action bar when kd'd?
I appericate your efforts to help resolve this "issue", but you will have to trust me. My mind AND action always usually always more then half full....why do you think I get so angry? I've died enough to a Jedi when I deserved it to know that I should NOT be dying because I simply cannot stand up.
I'll put it to you like THIS:
I once dueled a player on our server 3 times in a row (non-Jedi)...all 3 times his first attack was a KD....all three times I never got up.
IF SWG wants to "nudge" everyone into PvE...well that's fine, but I'd rather stay with PvP, and if the Devs won't give me a choice, then I always have option C(ancle).
To Fix this problem
When you are knocked down and cant KD recover, hit another special ie torso shot or adv critical and then try agaion you will be able to get up.
Pretty sure this is a CM problem but that is how to deal with it, basically means the jedi gets an extra hit on u while u are down.
Tucheck wrote:
I'll keep it short and sweet as to make sure the door hits my ass on the way out.
The "Knock Down" bug has gotten the better of me, and I find myself actually getting angry now. I'm sure many people experience this is there own way and perhaps on different degrees. I have had ONE Jedi mission since the CU wherein I was actually incapped while standing. This bug when combined with the awesome power of Armor Break makes for a very short Jedi encounter. I DO appericate the fact that the Devs have finally "locked" Jedi from their houses, however, they have only come out to KD spam. This wouldn't be a problem at all, as most professions have a Knock Down Recovery as part of their special abilities, and the player merely losses "a turn". This, however, is not what I experience...getting KDed will result in my death 90% of the time.
So I bid you all well with the new system, and I will be looking for a KD recovery "fix" before I will return. It is interesting though, that I would find something even more annoying then any Jedi "exploit". It's when you lose over and ovar again, yet you KNOW you have the power to last much longer and possibly even win....if you could JUST stand up.
Thanks to all who actually know me....I do look forward to returning, I hope.
Sorry to see you go Bro, but I think I will be right behind you soon.
The issue I have been having is not as much a "KD Bug" but Massive Combat Lag. From the time I get Knocked Down to when I actually hit the groud there is a 5 second delay. During this "lag" I just run in one direction unable to do anything.As a result, the target can close a HUGE gap. This is all a result of SoE poor game engine and is the same instance that we have all encountered in PvE when are you getting hit by a creature even though they are over 15m away. Then when you kill them they slice 20m right to your feet. That is ALL lag.
I don't want to hear about "what is your computer specs?" crap because my computer FAR exceedsthe requirmentsand I do not have ANY of these issues on any other game that have more people playing and more system requirements then SWG (Eve Online, BF2). It is almost impossible to have a Combat System that is suppose to be "Interactive" and "Real Time" and "Tactical"when you have these major issues. It has gotten so bad at times that I've had players actually WARP 30m while fighthing or get bogged down if there are more then 20 people in the same area.
It has been this way since the revamp and I don't think it will get any better simply because I don't think the engine can support it or SoE just doesn't care to fix it. In either case, it makes playing the game (even just going from point A to point B) extremely frustrating.
I hope to see you come back, but I feel the pain!