Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Force Powers!?
I see your points here and agree with some of them, however, if a Jedi is using cloak DURING the fight, what is the difference of them doing that, than a bounty hunter rooting them at 65m and then running out to about 75-80m and rebuffing with foods, spices, healing etc. It's not as if the Jedi can do anything to you while this is going on. They may catch you one time during the fight with cloak, but if they suddenly stop attacking you and starting running away, you can bet they are going to cloak on you. I take that momentary break in the fight to drop combat, pull out a bomb droid (if I have to), rebuff, heal, get action back, etc. I do also use /cover quiet frequently as offenseduring the fight. Not that you won't get more than one shot off with conceal before they are on you, but more to just get away for a moment or 2 while they are looking for you.
There again, though... my fights don't last long. I'm not a healer and don't play the "heal myself constantly while the Jedi drains force out" game.
Ocka wrote:
IF this Smuggler revamp becomes what sounds like it is, I will be happy.
What smuggler revamp? They been waiting over a year now.
JakinIrali wrote:
BH's should be equipped with Infrared that allows them to see cloaked Jedi. shouldn't be an issue.
I agree with this. If / when an extension Master combat branch is added. Forget the worthless add on 'specials' with the new names that are going to be nothing more then damage specials. Put certifications up into profession boxes that allow one to use limited stacked (made by a Droid engineer with semi rare resources or somehting) techno goodies. It would be nice to be able to equip infrared goggles that last in the range of 3 minutes that can counter cloaked Jedi.
I started reading your post but then I got to this part and realized just how CLUELESS one isif you think Cloak is NO DIFFERENT then /cover. So I stopped reading the rest of your trash. Next time please put remarks like this in your first sentence so that I may stop reading sooner, k? Thanks!
bmill wrote:
I will agree that cloak is an annoying skill, but it's still valid. It's really no different than a MBH/Rifleman using /cover to get within range from 250m out. When I hunt a "cloaker", no any Jedi for that matter, they don't know I am hunting them, or even in the AREA unless they have a spotter. When I see a Jedi in a player city, I shuttle to the next closest and drive to the location, then store around 250m and /cover + crawl the rest of the distance.
How is it any different? They cannot "see" you whilecovered whilecoming up for the alpha strike. Because it's not used the same way, it's not a valid point? Please. /cover is EXACTLY the same as cloak. The end result is: The public can't see you. The difference is, one is a Jedi skill and thought to be "bad" and the other is a WIDELY used BH technique though to be "good" and "valid"
Go the Jedi forum and see how much THEY complain about our /cover ability to get within range of them.
Infared goggles? The Jedi cloak works because they are "tricking" your mind into not "seeing" them. Do you really think they would show up on infared goggles if your mind is being tricked? A more logical solution would be that if you had a certain number of FS skill boxes for instance, your mind would not be as easily tricked. There should be a "chance" effect on the cloak, similar to the "chance" on critical hit. Whereby the Jedi might miss with it, based on your mental abilities or force dabbling.
As per the movies, the mind tricks only work on the "weak-minded", in order for the mind tricks not to work on Bounty Hunters, developers would have to insitute a system where we could increase our mental accuity.
lol, I can look up Jedi posts that complained about Ranger traps working on Krayts as well. Your point again is what?
bmill wrote:
Go the Jedi forum and see how much THEY complain about our /cover ability to get within range of them.
bmill wrote:
How is it any different? They cannot "see" you whilecovered whilecoming up for the alpha strike. Because it's not used the same way, it's not a valid point?
Do Jedi have to crawl around in order to be cloaked?
Infared goggles? The Jedi cloak works because they are "tricking" your mind into not "seeing" them. Do you really think they would show up on infared goggles if your mind is being tricked? A more logical solution would be that if you had a certain number of FS skill boxes for instance, your mind would not be as easily tricked. There should be a "chance" effect on the cloak, similar to the "chance" on critical hit. Whereby the Jedi might miss with it, based on your mental abilities or force dabbling.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly it doesn't work. Let's say you're out in the wilderness hunting some critters and you see a BH coming. You spend some Force andtrick his mind so he can't see you.
Now, let's say you're in Coronet surrounded by 50 people! If cloak were a mind trick, you'd have to spend Force to trick every single person into not seeing you. If this were the case I'd say it's fine. But mind-tricking a thousand players costs a Jedi nothing more than tricking one.
Additionally, cloak was actually in an early draft of the Episode I script. Obiwan and Quigon use it to hide from the droidekas on board the Trade Federation mothership. The droids lose track of them but then switch to infrared in order to see them. That is clearly not a mind trick. If the infrared isn't enough to justify that, I think the fact that it was being used on droids is.
Message Edited by JakinIrali on 08-19-2005 11:35 AM
JakinIrali wrote:
bmill wrote:
How is it any different? They cannot "see" you whilecovered whilecoming up for the alpha strike. Because it's not used the same way, it's not a valid point?
Do Jedi have to crawl around in order to be cloaked?
Infared goggles? The Jedi cloak works because they are "tricking" your mind into not "seeing" them. Do you really think they would show up on infared goggles if your mind is being tricked? A more logical solution would be that if you had a certain number of FS skill boxes for instance, your mind would not be as easily tricked. There should be a "chance" effect on the cloak, similar to the "chance" on critical hit. Whereby the Jedi might miss with it, based on your mental abilities or force dabbling.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly it doesn't work. Let's say you're out in the wilderness hunting some critters and you see a BH coming. You spend some Force andtrick his mind so he can't see you.
Now, let's say you're in Coronet surrounded by 50 people! If cloak were a mind trick, you'd have to spend Force to trick every single person into not seeing you. If this were the case I'd say it's fine. But mind-tricking a thousand players costs a Jedi nothing more than tricking one.
Additionally, cloak was actually in an early draft of the Episode I script. Obiwan and Quigon use it to hide from the droidekas on board the Trade Federation mothership. The droids lose track of them but then switch to infrared in order to see them. That is clearly not a mind trick. If the infrared isn't enough to justify that, I think the fact that it was being used on droids is.
Message Edited by JakinIrali on 08-19-2005 11:35 AM
Cloak uses up a certain amount of force PER npc around. Doesn't this work the same with players? This is the reason a Jedi can't cloak and run around the corvette or DWB. The run out of force very fast because of the high numbers of npcs in a small space. I was under the impression that cloak worked the same with players too.
Cloak may have been in an early version of the script, but it was taken out, correct? Therefore it's not a valid argument. It was most likely taken out because a mind trick wouldn't work on a droid. For continuity sake, it wasn't logical. Do you have document proof of this, or did you just make it up to suit your argument?
bmill wrote:
Cloak may have been in an early version of the script, but it was taken out, correct? Therefore it's not a valid argument. It was most likely taken out because a mind trick wouldn't work on a droid. For continuity sake, it wasn't logical. Do you have document proof of this, or did you just make it up to suit your argument?
JakinIrali wrote:
bmill wrote:
How is it any different? They cannot "see" you whilecovered whilecoming up for the alpha strike. Because it's not used the same way, it's not a valid point?
Do Jedi have to crawl around in order to be cloaked?
Infared goggles? The Jedi cloak works because they are "tricking" your mind into not "seeing" them. Do you really think they would show up on infared goggles if your mind is being tricked? A more logical solution would be that if you had a certain number of FS skill boxes for instance, your mind would not be as easily tricked. There should be a "chance" effect on the cloak, similar to the "chance" on critical hit. Whereby the Jedi might miss with it, based on your mental abilities or force dabbling.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly it doesn't work. Let's say you're out in the wilderness hunting some critters and you see a BH coming. You spend some Force andtrick his mind so he can't see you.
Now, let's say you're in Coronet surrounded by 50 people! If cloak were a mind trick, you'd have to spend Force to trick every single person into not seeing you. If this were the case I'd say it's fine. But mind-tricking a thousand players costs a Jedi nothing more than tricking one.
Additionally, cloak was actually in an early draft of the Episode I script. Obiwan and Quigon use it to hide from the droidekas on board the Trade Federation mothership. The droids lose track of them but then switch to infrared in order to see them. That is clearly not a mind trick. If the infrared isn't enough to justify that, I think the fact that it was being used on droids is.
Don't bother debating with bmill. he is a wannabe Jedi. I mean you are talking about a guy who requests that you visit the Jedi forums of all places to get valid feedback when comparing cloak to cover, lol
I also post othe forums too. Why are you so bitter? You had a different opinion than mine. That's fine with me, but you seem to be upset by that. To the point that you have resorted to insults. Why?
And btw... I suggested that YOU search the Jedi forum, I already pop in there from time to time. You might learn something!