Bounty Hunter Archive

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HeadRoll wrote:

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AROIG wrote:
See it is all about hate, you belitte me why? B/c I stated my opinion, why do BHs hate Jedi then. What did I ever do to the gaming community that resulted in effecting someone's gameplay. Call me a nerf lol ouch.... Serious did I belittle you? I stated my opinion, might not be true but it carries some weight. There is a reason why 90% of the server population (not including alt characters) is grinding jedi or are jedi.

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the truth is in my signature, clickified for your pleasure. One of the best threads yet. If you guys had played since launch you would notice the vast difference in quality of the GCW and PVP in general. Otherwise you shall always be blind to the facts.

Far as Jedi hate?, of course not, afterall you guys are my content. I extremely enjoy the pvp aspects to it. However, I look at the overall big picture of what SWG used to be before the first Holo's appeared. If you did not start the game back in 2k3, you would be completely clueless as to what SWG was about in the glory days when there was three times as many players logging on....

Message Edited by HeadRoll on 10-20-2005 05:05 AM

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Nice thank you HeadRoll for trying to make SWG a better place . But of course you know the truth .

Making a system with one class vs another is the stupidest move . It only create possibilities for grief and hate . And of course everyone on both side will try to be the pwnorz and attract the big mouth kids who want to be able to brag at the end of day . You say yourself "jedi are your content" and still i see BH posts flame fest about "we want a non jedi server" .. "i want to see less jedi" etc . Its puzzling me . Forced PvP is only creating tension and hate in community.

But no no its jedi they suck suck its their fault .

The truth is some players only want to discover new things after playing for months or years the same class without new content . And the jedi path is more or less the only "high end" content SOE could give us so far . So many are going this way to go on enjoying the game without having in mind "oh i want to pwnz everything and show off saber in Theed"

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EvilAztec wrote:

Actually sticking the Jedi in the GCW (Which old time Jedi warned the devs about) was a Developer idea, not Jedi. The original Jedi wanted a Light/Dark war that would impact the GCW, but not have direct interaction. The devs, being what they are, decided in their wisdom (ahem)to put Jedi in the standard GCW. This had led to Jedi Hate, Jedi Nerfs, and a decline in the game for something Jedi did not originally want.

If you want to fix it click on the link in my sig. We can't pull Jedi out of the GCW now without upsetting the Jediplayerbase. We can't pull out Forced PvP without upsetting the BH Playerbase. There is a chance on the link in my sig actually working out. It allows normals to avoid Jedi PvP if they so desire, makes the Vis system count, eliminates the hate from BH missions, restores Jedi power, and provides sufficient incentive to keep a low profile.

Of course I should note that the primary reason I want out of the main GCW stems from the great BH and CH nerfs of 2003. So I wouldn't call them glory days mate, just different people screaming nerf this class, et al.

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HeadRoll wrote:

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AROIG wrote:
See it is all about hate, you belitte me why? B/c I stated my opinion, why do BHs hate Jedi then. What did I ever do to the gaming community that resulted in effecting someone's gameplay. Call me a nerf lol ouch.... Serious did I belittle you? I stated my opinion, might not be true but it carries some weight. There is a reason why 90% of the server population (not including alt characters) is grinding jedi or are jedi.

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the truth is in my signature, clickified for your pleasure. One of the best threads yet. If you guys had played since launch you would notice the vast difference in quality of the GCW and PVP in general. Otherwise you shall always be blind to the facts.

Far as Jedi hate?, of course not, afterall you guys are my content. I extremely enjoy the pvp aspects to it. However, I look at the overall big picture of what SWG used to be before the first Holo's appeared. If you did not start the game back in 2k3, you would be completely clueless as to what SWG was about in the glory days when there was three times as many players logging on....

Message Edited by HeadRoll on 10-20-2005 05:05 AM

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Actually ... sticking Jedi in this timeframe at all was a mistake that never should have been allowed. Yes, Jedi are Star Wars ... the problem is that durring this timeframe they should have been virtually EXTINCT ... certainly not running all over the place with their lightsabers lighting up the cities.

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AROIG wrote:

I bought this game in july 2003, b/c I wanted to be a Bounty Hunter. Read the Boba Fett Series, and still get excited about collection the best armor and weapons. I have also acquired a Jedi along the way. I am sick of what BH vs Jedi is doing for this game. The communities have became so divided, GCW has taken a back seat to the BH Wars. That isn't star wars its Imperials vs Rebels and that should be the main focus. Plain and Simple. I petition to eliminate Player Vs Player hunting it is making the community an unpleasant place to play, when this should be a form of relaxation.

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EvilAztec wrote:

The original Jedi wanted a Light/Dark war that would impact the GCW, but not have direct interaction. The devs, being what they are, decided in their wisdom (ahem)to put Jedi in the standard GCW. This had led to Jedi Hate, Jedi Nerfs, and a decline in the game for something Jedi did not originally want.

Actually I think if you talked to a lot of the Jedi that I know, we'd be very happy to leave the GCW and go to a Light / Dark war, again that might have influence on the GCW but you wouldn't see a dozen Jedi on the front lines backed up by riflemen, etc... attacking bases. It's not the role that many of us want. My personal preference would be to reintroduce the FRS, & create the Light / Dark war as you put it, and basically withdraw from the populated areas and be able to enjoy the game.

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Ulrick wrote:

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EvilAztec wrote:

The original Jedi wanted a Light/Dark war that would impact the GCW, but not have direct interaction. The devs, being what they are, decided in their wisdom (ahem)to put Jedi in the standard GCW. This had led to Jedi Hate, Jedi Nerfs, and a decline in the game for something Jedi did not originally want.

Actually I think if you talked to a lot of the Jedi that I know, we'd be very happy to leave the GCW and go to a Light / Dark war, again that might have influence on the GCW but you wouldn't see a dozen Jedi on the front lines backed up by riflemen, etc... attacking bases. It's not the role that many of us want. My personal preference would be to reintroduce the FRS, & create the Light / Dark war as you put it, and basically withdraw from the populated areas and be able to enjoy the game.

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I'm not a Jedi, but I've been advocating at least 2 new factions for some time now. Would be a great thing, if you think about it logically.

This could co-incide with the FRS rumored to be coming back. A Light Jedi faction and a Sith Faction. This would remove the issues with Imperial and Rebel, etc, yadda yadda.

In terms of PvP though... it's undecided. Since the Light Jedi would be "aligned with the rebellion" and the Sith would be "aligned" with the Empire, would it really be any different. In terms of good vs evil, now you have 2 good and 2 evil factions. They'd all be able to fight each other, so I suppose there really wouldn't be an overt difference in the GCW. However it would make the game a bit more balanced, continuity wise.

I'm also a supporter of only allowing Bounty Hunters to hunt Jedi that are active participants in the FRS. This would in essence remove the "forced PvP" argument from the community. Currently a padawan/Jedi can be attacked anytime, anyplace. To forward public acceptance of the Jedi, I propse to have the FRS re-instituted (with changes of course to prevent "fight-clubbing" to level up in it). If you decide to join the FRS, you will be overt all the time, anytime in your faction. This could easily transfer to the BH terminals and ONLY allow active FRS Jedi to be on the terminal.

So.... since you cannot be a knight without joining the FRS, you will NEVER be a night without allowing hunters to come after you. It's an individual player decision. How far do you want to advance your character/template? Your choice.

Comments?

Hmm, goodbye Player Bounty System. You can't use the justification "You knew you were going to be hunted" on regular profs.

Next, go ahead, petition to delete all Jedi, we both knowhow far that will get. SOE knewwhen they designed this game a lot of people want to play Jedi. The problem is that their system doesn't work. It didn't work and they've been lowering Jedi power instead of sticking in the proper fixes.

Incidentally, EU is not Canon, and SWG is not Canon. SWG was never Canon (how many TK's would be allowed? NONE, they weren't in the movies and we talking Canon here) 2h swords or fencers or Combat Medics or rangers or weaponsmiths?Ididn't see any in Ep 1-6.

Drop the canon argument, it makes you look foolish. If you want Canon, go play a console game.

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ExcaliburKnight wrote:

Actually ... sticking Jedi in this timeframe at all was a mistake that never should have been allowed. Yes, Jedi are Star Wars ... the problem is that durring this timeframe they should have been virtually EXTINCT ... certainly not running all over the place with their lightsabers lighting up the cities.

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You can stop the hate posts, and continue the game in it's current form. No one is going to be 100% happy 100% of the time. If you lose a battle, then yes you may be a bit disappointed.

Here is the secret folks: Be an adult about it. Remember this is just a game. Remember you have options with you alt when you are on the terminals. Remember that if you are a BH who just won, your target is another player. Remember if you are a jedi who just toasted your hunter, your hunter is another player.

Treat one another with a bit of respect, regardless the outcome. If your opponet cannot live to this standard, /addignore them and move on.

Message Edited by Kresh_Azzo on 10-20-2005 10:59 AM

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EvilAztec wrote:

Hmm, goodbye Player Bounty System. You can't use the justification "You knew you were going to be hunted" on regular profs.

Next, go ahead, petition to delete all Jedi, we both knowhow far that will get. SOE knewwhen they designed this game a lot of people want to play Jedi. The problem is that their system doesn't work. It didn't work and they've been lowering Jedi power instead of sticking in the proper fixes.

Incidentally, EU is not Canon, and SWG is not Canon. SWG was never Canon (how many TK's would be allowed? NONE, they weren't in the movies and we talking Canon here) 2h swords or fencers or Combat Medics or rangers or weaponsmiths?Ididn't see any in Ep 1-6.

Drop the canon argument, it makes you look foolish. If you want Canon, go play a console game.

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ExcaliburKnight wrote:

Actually ... sticking Jedi in this timeframe at all was a mistake that never should have been allowed. Yes, Jedi are Star Wars ... the problem is that durring this timeframe they should have been virtually EXTINCT ... certainly not running all over the place with their lightsabers lighting up the cities.

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Actually, sanctioned EU books/comics/games ARE considered canon by LucasArts/LucasFilm. What happens in those stories directly affects the rest, etc, etc, etc....

However, SWG was NEVER canon. It could/might have been at one time, but since this is an ever evolving and changing "world" it's more an alternate Star Wars based environment.

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EvilAztec wrote:

Hmm, goodbye Player Bounty System. You can't use the justification "You knew you were going to be hunted" on regular profs.

Next, go ahead, petition to delete all Jedi, we both knowhow far that will get. SOE knewwhen they designed this game a lot of people want to play Jedi. The problem is that their system doesn't work. It didn't work and they've been lowering Jedi power instead of sticking in the proper fixes.

Incidentally, EU is not Canon, and SWG is not Canon. SWG was never Canon (how many TK's would be allowed? NONE, they weren't in the movies and we talking Canon here) 2h swords or fencers or Combat Medics or rangers or weaponsmiths?Ididn't see any in Ep 1-6.

Drop the canon argument, it makes you look foolish. If you want Canon, go play a console game.

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ExcaliburKnight wrote:

Actually ... sticking Jedi in this timeframe at all was a mistake that never should have been allowed. Yes, Jedi are Star Wars ... the problem is that durring this timeframe they should have been virtually EXTINCT ... certainly not running all over the place with their lightsabers lighting up the cities.

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My point wasn't that they should be removed ... SWG was supposed to be cannon, could have been cannon, and should have been cannon, but someone descided that A) it should be set in the middle of the GCW and B) Players should be allowed to be Jedi. It's not A or B that's the problem it's the combination of A and B ... I personally would have prefered putting the game in a setting that would allow it to be 'open' rather than in the middle of a war that we know the stinking outcome of ... stuck forever in a section of time between the destruction of the Death Star and the Battle of Hoth. Of course part of the design was that the game was eventually supposed to have the battle of Hoth ... and progress into the timeframe of ESB and eventually on the RoTJ ... that seems, however, to have been abandoned as too ambitious.

And you don't have to like my opinion, but I'll post it here if I feel like it as it is my right to do so provided I stay within the terms and conditions of the use of the board ... if you don't like it, go read another forum. Telling people to go play another game is simply childish and I had rather more respect for you before you did it.

Heh...I just like reading all the drama, almost like a soap opera... "As the Jedi turns"

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bmill wrote:

However, SWG was NEVER canon.

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I agree, on the other hand, one of the developers in the recent House of Commons chat seems to think otherwise. I laughed as well.