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Thread: Please Fix the Duel Exploit.....
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Good point indeed, if you get close enuff to let them do this, the sneak attack has been borked.
This is for the creator of this thread, its not an exploit, I can chose to duel anyone, anytime, anywhere i want to in the game, if you want this to be fixed, then a whole new duel system will need to be written and as others have already stated, that would create way more problems then solve, like it was stated, everytime some new coding is written, including new pubs and hot fixes most of the time it creates a new bug. We got enuff as it is. The whole point in being sneaky is to not be seen and if youd rather fly into a group of jedi, letting them all know ur there, and giving them the option to stop what they are doing and take off or logout then maybe a new strategy is needed. Not intended to be a flame towards anyone, just offering some advice and my opinion. Happy hunting all you guys and oh yeh.......dont forget to that if your not within veiwing range, there can be no /duel, /endduel on you.
Eskie wrote:
Lorelai_Seabreeze wrote:
How about an option to auto decline all duels sorta like auto decline group invites.
Why?
Jedi currently can "/duel" BHs that have their mission, it is the same behaviour as on any other player - Jedi cannot tell if a BH has their mission by using "/duel; /endduel". Seems enough to me, no further work required.
QFE.. it has been fixed.
Just many Jedi and BH's aren't aware of it, so the keep using it, and when the duel goes thru, and not kick back the "cannot duel target who can attack you" messege, they falsely assume "Hey, he ain't after me." and go along their business....
This happened to a Guild mate of mine, we were in our PA hall chatting when BH shows up. She did the /duel;/enduel thing, and said "He isn't after me, I can duel him.".. since we were the only two Jedi there, I assumed he was after me. so I went out to face him... we talked for a bit, but he never attacked me. But the moment she walked out, Boom...she was down, and he was on her like Micheal Moore on a jelly donut.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 08-14-2005 07:34 AM
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...
Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...
Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
You guys don't get it do you.? Rifleman cover isn't viable right now and every BH isn't a riflman or even have the box(I have).
I've said it before and I will say it again. Suppose you're at MO as a Bh. You've dressed up to look like anything but a BH just to scope out your mark. The Jedi is there along with 2 other Jedi. There's also 9 non Jedi toons present.
One or several of the Jedi may or may not recognize you as a BH. Let's assume this is the case. Next question is, is he on a hunt or just here to hunt critters or hang with friends? Now the Jedi who is wise would suspect this to be the case but he can't know for sure.
If he is after a Jedi comes the final question. Is he after me or Jack over there, or perhaps it's Harry who is in his sights? Once again the three Jedi can assume and suspect but they will not KNOW.
With the exploit in place this becomes moot because it costs him nothing to /duel /endduel everybody just to make sure, thus robbing the BH of the element of surprise.
/duel removes the element of surprise in a number of situations period. Anyone with common sense can see that.
Diversion wrote:
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
You guys don't get it do you.? Rifleman cover isn't viable right now and every BH isn't a riflman or even have the box(I have).I've said it before and I will say it again. Suppose you're at MO as a Bh. You've dressed up to look like anything but a BH just to scope out your mark. The Jedi is there along with 2 other Jedi. There's also 9 non Jedi toons present.
One or several of the Jedi may or may not recognize you as a BH. Let's assume this is the case. Next question is, is he on a hunt or just here to hunt critters or hang with friends? Now the Jedi who is wise would suspect this to be the case but he can't know for sure.
If he is after a Jedi comes the final question. Is he after me or Jack over there, or perhaps it's Harry who is in his sights? Once again the three Jedi can assume and suspect but they will not KNOW.
With the exploit in place this becomes moot because it costs him nothing to /duel /endduel everybody just to make sure, thus robbing the BH of the element of surprise.
/duel removes the element of surprise in a number of situations period. Anyone with common sense can see that.
and YOU don't get it either... as has been said repeatedly in this thread alone, it HAS been fixed!
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Diversion wrote:
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
You guys don't get it do you.? Rifleman cover isn't viable right now and every BH isn't a riflman or even have the box(I have).I've said it before and I will say it again. Suppose you're at MO as a Bh. You've dressed up to look like anything but a BH just to scope out your mark. The Jedi is there along with 2 other Jedi. There's also 9 non Jedi toons present.
One or several of the Jedi may or may not recognize you as a BH. Let's assume this is the case. Next question is, is he on a hunt or just here to hunt critters or hang with friends? Now the Jedi who is wise would suspect this to be the case but he can't know for sure.
If he is after a Jedi comes the final question. Is he after me or Jack over there, or perhaps it's Harry who is in his sights? Once again the three Jedi can assume and suspect but they will not KNOW.
With the exploit in place this becomes moot because it costs him nothing to /duel /endduel everybody just to make sure, thus robbing the BH of the element of surprise.
/duel removes the element of surprise in a number of situations period. Anyone with common sense can see that.
and YOU don't get it either... as has been said repeatedly in this thread alone, it HAS been fixed!
Awsome! Cheers to the devs
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Lorelai_Seabreeze wrote:
How about an option to auto decline all duels sorta like auto decline group invites.
Why?
Jedi currently can "/duel" BHs that have their mission, it is the same behaviour as on any other player - Jedi cannot tell if a BH has their mission by using "/duel; /endduel". Seems enough to me, no further work required.
QFE.. it has been fixed.
Just many Jedi and BH's aren't aware of it, so the keep using it, and when the duel goes thru, and not kick back the "cannot duel target who can attack you" messege, they falsely assume "Hey, he ain't after me." and go along their business....
This happened to a Guild mate of mine, we were in our PA hall chatting when BH shows up. She did the /duel;/enduel thing, and said "He isn't after me, I can duel him.".. since we were the only two Jedi there, I assumed he was after me. so I went out to face him... we talked for a bit, but he never attacked me. But the moment she walked out, Boom...she was down, and he was on her like Micheal Moore on a jelly donut.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 08-14-2005 07:34 AM
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Diversion wrote:
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...
Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
You guys don't get it do you.? Rifleman cover isn't viable right now and every BH isn't a riflman or even have the box(I have).
I've said it before and I will say it again. Suppose you're at MO as a Bh. You've dressed up to look like anything but a BH just to scope out your mark. The Jedi is there along with 2 other Jedi. There's also 9 non Jedi toons present.
One or several of the Jedi may or may not recognize you as a BH. Let's assume this is the case. Next question is, is he on a hunt or just here to hunt critters or hang with friends? Now the Jedi who is wise would suspect this to be the case but he can't know for sure.
If he is after a Jedi comes the final question. Is he after me or Jack over there, or perhaps it's Harry who is in his sights? Once again the three Jedi can assume and suspect but they will not KNOW.
With the exploit in place this becomes moot because it costs him nothing to /duel /endduel everybody just to make sure, thus robbing the BH of the element of surprise.
/duel removes the element of surprise in a number of situations period. Anyone with common sense can see that.
and YOU don't get it either... as has been said repeatedly in this thread alone, it HAS been fixed!
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...
Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
And that is why all of my characters are Im[perial EXCEPT my BH. Same faction hunting sometimes gives that edge you need to take down your mark. And the hate tells for same faction hunting are awesome.
"Quiet down dead boy" is always the reply.
Diversion wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Diversion wrote:
wildcat84 wrote:
GlargTheKelfn wrote:
if the jedi was able to target you and type /duel;/endduel, what surprise do you think you have?
Exactly. 99% of BH's that I've seen either run right at you and attack, or else hang around in their comp armor with their proton carbine flying a BH tag, thus fooling no one.
Once the BH is *SEEN* by the Jedi, either on the radar or up close enough to see their armor/weapon/read their bio for the badge, your surprise is gone.
Be sneakier. Use conceal. If you don't have that, approach your mark in plain clothes without a BH weapon flying a non BH tag at the very least. You can macro putting on armor and equipping weapons, you know.
But even then you really should never expect to surprise an alert, smart Jedi. I watch my scope constantly. Any blue dot is a BH until proven otherwise. You have little chance of ever surprising someone who does this, and any Jedi player who doesn't play with a certain sense of paranoia (after all they ARE out to get us!) is going to die and lose XP.
Also, I disagree that a BH should have surprise anyway. Jedi are in tune with the Force, and have the ability to sense things "I have a bad feeling about this" etc. Someone coming near us with intent to murder is probably generating strong enough feelings for a Jedi to be able to detect...Message Edited by wildcat84 on 08-14-2005 01:19 PM
You guys don't get it do you.? Rifleman cover isn't viable right now and every BH isn't a riflman or even have the box(I have).I've said it before and I will say it again. Suppose you're at MO as a Bh. You've dressed up to look like anything but a BH just to scope out your mark. The Jedi is there along with 2 other Jedi. There's also 9 non Jedi toons present.
One or several of the Jedi may or may not recognize you as a BH. Let's assume this is the case. Next question is, is he on a hunt or just here to hunt critters or hang with friends? Now the Jedi who is wise would suspect this to be the case but he can't know for sure.
If he is after a Jedi comes the final question. Is he after me or Jack over there, or perhaps it's Harry who is in his sights? Once again the three Jedi can assume and suspect but they will not KNOW.
With the exploit in place this becomes moot because it costs him nothing to /duel /endduel everybody just to make sure, thus robbing the BH of the element of surprise.
/duel removes the element of surprise in a number of situations period. Anyone with common sense can see that.
and YOU don't get it either... as has been said repeatedly in this thread alone, it HAS been fixed!
I have not seen any notes about it but if you say so I take your word for it. However if it indeed has been fixed why do you defend it by saying that it has no bearing on gameplay as you have done in your earlier post?
Can you quote for me where I posted that it has no bearing on gameplay?
My post earlier was a a situation to explain WHY I say it is fixed... My guildie said she was not the NBH's target, because she COULD duel him...then a few minutes later, she was dead and that BH should could duel was 150k richer...so that tells me the /duel;/endduel issue was fixed. It was in no way a "it has no bearing on gameplay" post.
Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 08-15-2005 08:28 AM
Message Edited by Diversion on 08-15-2005 10:33 AM
Message Edited by Diversion on 08-15-2005 10:35 AM