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Thread: I love weaponsmiths
That weapon like the DPS rating is overrated. Until damage is calculated randomly like pre CU, and takes into account min damage, DPS means crap.
Three digit rating SAC?, OUCH
Message Edited by Skare99 on 07-09-2005 12:32 AM
Acusnismoi wrote:
First off, the SAC is fine.
You can't look at max damage. It can't be damage sliced because its capped, and with a damage pup (even though the max damage goes to 1050), the DPS is only 540. It still has three slices available, so if the Devs decide to raise the damage cap, it should break 1k DPS unpupped. The Pup on it for now is speed. If the damage cap doesn't go up, I'll triple speed slice it and slap a damage pup on it.
No, the SAC is terrible. 65 is the cap for SAC, and anything over 85 is not worth it. Also, it's not damaged capped; slicing caps lower than the actual weapon cap by a good bit. Furthermore, DPS is a busted stat, because it puts too much weight on the weapon speed. Did you know that there IS a speed-cap, regardless of what your weapon says? You can't fire faster than 1 shot per second on a standard shot, higher for specials due to their mods. Any speed below 1.0 is completely wasted. DPS takes those below-1 numbers into its calculation, however, so it's a worthless stat. Take the speed pup off of it and put a SAC pup on.
Turel777 wrote:
Skare99 wrote:
That weapon is overrated. SAC is in the three digit category.
Stop looking at max damage as the only criteriapeeps, hehe
Especially whne it's sub-cap AND has a stupidly high SAC (no offence to the owner). What annoys me is ppl only looking at BDPS when compairing weapons, when BDPS can be VERY misleading.
I for one never even look at DPS on any potential weapon. First thing I look at is speed. Then I look at SAC. If both are good I pray the damage range is decent... It takes some looking but you would be surprised what deals can be found for 50K and under.
I find more often then not, guns over 100k tend to be high DPS guns with sh*t for SAC. It is like some weaponsmiths dont know what the hell they are doing. Who in their right mind is going to pay 500k for a scatter with 115 SAC? Obviously someone does cause I see WS sell that garbage all the time on my server.
Get a good base scatter of
340ish - 840ish dam
speed 2.3 ish
SAC 84
Slice that speed down to cap and put the rest in damage. Then add your favorite pup. **THEN* you can have a GOOD gun for relatively little.
Vezek
Acusnismoi wrote:
First off, the SAC is fine.
You can't look at max damage. It can't be damage sliced because its capped, and with a damage pup (even though the max damage goes to 1050), the DPS is only 540. It still has three slices available, so if the Devs decide to raise the damage cap, it should break 1k DPS unpupped. The Pup on it for now is speed. If the damage cap doesn't go up, I'll triple speed slice it and slap a damage pup on it.
Are all these other posters wrong too??
Not flaming.. Just saying...... If you post something like this and get criticism it may be because others are knowledgeable about something you may have missed.
Now, you should have a better understanding of what to look for in a pistol.
Hope this helps.
its not sliced yet , but i think only a speed slice is possible , maybe one damage slice too.
Hunting Jedi you are going to need a low sac weapon... Trust me every time I lost in a fight v a Jedi was because of a 97 sac carb. And my Scatter is at the damage cap i believe but the sac is horrible 104. DPS is misleading(My DPS is 342 or around that for my scatter). Low sac is the way to win V Jedi.
Turel777 wrote:My current scatter:1.97 speed, (unmodified)364-938 dmg (948 is the cap I beleive)84 SACThats UNSLICED and UNPOWERED UP!And even with a SAC thats fairly low I still use Low-SAC PUs to bring it down to about 59. I'd rather fire shots slighly less often and be able to do it almost indefinatly rather than fire a lil faster and drain my action in 30 seconds.
and dont forget once you are knockdowned you need a bunch of action to get up
fast as you can with kd recovery
Acusnismoi wrote:
I went krayting with two friends of mine a week ago. One of them happened to be a weaponsmith, who said he'd turn us out some weapons if we found some tissue. Boy, did we find some tissue. This stuff was 160+, and it made one helluva gun. Check out the modified DPS (above 700) on this baby.
sorry to say but that gun is sh*t, my scatter has 810 modified DPS, 977 max damage, + 15 acc, attack speed of 1.1 but the same action cost and range
and it only cost me 15k and aother 15k for 15 powerups and it's not slicedMessage Edited by master_nick on 07-09-2005 05:01 PM
Acusnismoi wrote:
I went krayting with two friends of mine a week ago. One of them happened to be a weaponsmith, who said he'd turn us out some weapons if we found some tissue. Boy, did we find some tissue. This stuff was 160+, and it made one helluva gun. Check out the modified DPS (above 700) on this baby.
- I thought the damage cap was 945 on pistols
- DPS, don't mean $%^&
- The SAC on that is way to high, anything over 85 for a pistol is awful
- If you ever need advice on pistol buying please look at Badgersmackers post on the pistoleer forum
Miracoly wrote:
its not sliced yet , but i think only a speed slice is possible , maybe one damage slice too.
Yeah, *that* is a nice scatter.