Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Hmmmm....
2 things...don't think she really needed AA's to do what she did...but maybe...
I don't think I lost due to any inexperience....I fought well...just couldn't
get enough damage on her...we both used roots and KD's well...so
I don't think she was playing any smarter then me...
thepulse wrote:
Why is there a problem? Apears to me that you are upset that you are not consistantly the strongest. A jedi makes an investment in time and grinding to be strong. An elite player makes an investment in equipment and loot to be strong. Both take a lot of work. Neither is overpowerd. If you can't beat the ones that are attacking you, change your template. But don't complain when they adapt and change their template as well. Can't win them all, but you won't lose them all either.
Message Edited by Zemon on 09-04-2005 11:23 PM
I disagree frankly as a jedi and a MBH/MCM. jedi is far more of a pain to grind and far more expensive... why should any prof be equal to jedi... i hunted jedi pre 9 and pre cu a victory ment something now its common place and really whats the point of the whole deal when i can grind out MBH/MCM in a week and thats taking my time but a jedi is a min of 6 months if not longer to obtain..
and if you all think a MBH/MCM is a pain to beat try a smuggler/rifleman with some ggod med skills i know i got one i own MBH/MCM faster than a pre pub 9 jedi so really your lecture of not being consistantly the strongest doest hold much to me considering i can say i will have a 90% chance of victory baggin a jedi.... that sir is very wrong!
thepulse wrote:
and if you all think a MBH/MCM (Rock)is a pain to beat try a smuggler/rifleman (Papper) with some ggod med skills i know i got one i own MBH/MCM faster than a pre pub 9 jedi (Sissors) so really your lecture of not being consistantly the strongest doest hold much to me considering i can say i will have a 90% chance of victory baggin a jedi.... that sir is very wrong!
Are you following the whole Rock, Papper, Sissor thing?
Just because the work you did was long does not mean you "deserve" to be better. 1.5 times is not that great of margin. Yet the debate always takesthe path of who "deserves" to better than who is capable of "playing" better. I have seen Jedi that I would have thought unstopable. I have see Jedi with the same template who could not last more than a few min.
And, why is "a 90% chance of vicotry" not good. Your complaint was that my "lecture of not being consistantly the strongest doest hold much" is rather counterdicting.
Yes, some templates are better than others. Some are also weaker. You make the choice based on your knowlege of the game. Take the available mechanics and build the best you can play. If you like the idea of Jedi, then you will have to pay a higher price for the prestige of the simble associated with the concept of Jedi.
I admire someone who can grind out a new template each time they see an advantage in the ever changing mechanics of the game. Being a Jedi is not easy, on the contray, it is both the most sought and most hatted profession in the game. To successfuly build a good Jedi, one has to be patient. He does not have to work any harder, just longer.
The only point I wished to debate, was: Why nerf others. What is truly the problem? Are they overpowered for everyone, or just you? ....Rock, papper, sissors.
Zemon wrote:
RawNemesis wrote:
I agree to a point.... (notice third option)...
However...the investment in equipment is actually more expensive I would think for Jedi...
Not sure what slicing goes for..but not too hard to get top off the line armor....same investment
for food and spice....and jedi have the pearl problem (I dont' have...but most do)....
I'm not saying I have to be "uber"...want an intelligent discussion...it is not hard for a player to get
to where this BH was...so like I said...the good BHs...more power too them..but if they are all like it..then theres
a problem
About 1.5 time more expensive.
The Elite Professtion does not just buy great armor and slice it. It's the legindary CAs and AA's that max out everything. Then you add an ADK to each for that "Uber" set of armor. Then comes the weapon. With the best components and loots it does get expensive. But, the best stuff and the greatest template or "FOTM" does nothing for the noob is he/she/it does not know who to use the skills. Yet another investient in learning the template.
For some reason, most look to nerf the other professtion to fix their own. let me submit a few questions to our debate:
What bug, nerf, or both would you reverse to "balance" this in your own profession?
If the pearl drop and Force regen bugs were corrected, would we be having this debate?
totally agree with yout there zemon. bh cm's can get all highend equipment and jedi cant atm, so have faith jedi soon u can damage them better with a little work. although this is frustrating, it's not nice to grind for 6months solid then having an experienced bh cm walk up to you and tank you. but there is 1 problem here. when the devs made CM, do you think they thought "lets make CM a tank". I don't think so either. with a fix to pearls and crystals this won't be a problem any bh cm who tries to tank will definately have 2nd thoughts if the jedi starts hitting him for 750 damage plus.
Also I have noticed that speed tapes do not come into play when a CM applies thyroid rupture , perhaps a fix is coming to fix jedi speed too. as It is the best skill a bh cm has atm. also thyroid rupture wasnt balanced when the patch came to balance speed buffs came giving cm an extra -5 to thyroid rupture I think. shudnt this be addressed?
Message Edited by steveybabes on 09-05-2005 08:04 AM
So stevey, you are saying that the massive AA CA investments arenecessary to beat the fully templated jedi, or do they just need the armor break slice?
RawNemesis wrote:
So stevey, you are saying that the massive AA CA investments arenecessary to beat the fully templated jedi, or do they just need the armor break slice?
well i am good friends with imo the best mbh mcm on the farstar server and i looked at his equipment (he can tank me) 7100 energy resists capped in general ranged speed and accuracy tapes same as pistol speed and accuracy tapes. his weapon was a 350 base dps scatter all adk'd and armour AB sliced. howerver the best equipment definately doesnt help the bh cm if they do not know how to use the skills. as for armor break slice the initial description was a % chance for your oponent to land AB on you, so imagine my surprise when it mitigated damage as well. I would say that if my friend had 7100 armour and ab slice and no mods he would beat me. I have 656 max damage saber my dps is 586 with mods (that dont seem to work)and hit him for only 500's.My final verdict is that no nerf is nessecary as soon jedi will be as "fixed" as the other proffesions and we willbe able to beata good bh cm with the right skills if we are good with our skills.right now i lose to bh cm from losing force only and i am sure the devs are giving us more regen soon enuff. along withthe chance to get better pearls we shud be ok.
RawNemesis wrote:
I agree to a point.... (notice third option)...
However...the investment in equipment is actually more expensive I would think for Jedi...
Not sure what slicing goes for..but not too hard to get top off the line armor....same investment
for food and spice....and jedi have the pearl problem (I dont' have...but most do)....
I'm not saying I have to be "uber"...want an intelligent discussion...it is not hard for a player to get
to where this BH was...so like I said...the good BHs...more power too them..but if they are all like it..then theres
a problem
And actually...the debate isn't saying that highly invested BHs shouldn't be able to kill us...but do you truly HAVE to be that invested to kill a full template as MCM/MBH
I guess the real argument is....if this BH has truly invested what you say...then most BHs
won't be able to do this....but if she hasn't and most BHs can do this...then I have a problem
with it...
True...I did live...not too hard to run I guess....I was tanking for a group and one of
them paid her off to drop my mission (I told him not too...that was not cool...but they
wanted me to help them grind...), but if they hadn't I'm sure she would have stalked
me all night...and I would have house sat for awhile...so I guess nobody wins really...
she doesn't get her kill...and I don't get to help my friends....kind of ruins my gaming
experience though...
Was the fight more fun?
hmmm...not sure on that one...it was frustrating....not used to fights like that...I'll have to ponder that...