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Nerfmeh
Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:53 pm
#14
Nerfmeh wrote:
This is something I posted earlier when someone was asking if BH's were to be blamed about the the current nerfs.
Bh's are the problem all the way, it's so clear cut it's ridicules. They are the single most reason why Jedi have been nerfed to hell. Before the first Jedi was unlocked Bh's where thealpha class(maybe not the best combat class after the eye shot nerf but by far the most played). Back then everyone and there mother was a BH. Now thatJedi are the are thealpah class Bh's dont like that and I feel that a majority of them fall into two categories. I think this is becuase they are to lazy to grind outJedi. This is the only logical explanation I can think off.
Pistoleer was the first of the great classes at launch, then it was rifleman and stayed that way until they gave melee the 15m attacks. BH was not in anyway the alpha class, One tree was usually picked to maxamize a template, and that typically was the pistol line.
The Commando was also the profession of choice since they could stack Flame cone 1 and Flame Cone 2 for the 750-1000 tick Flame Dot. BH was never the alpha class and there has not been a single profession in the history of SWG that was an alpha class. except the Jedi. There have been templates that created what you would call an Alpha class, such as Rifleman/CM or Brawler/fencer/Sword. Jedi is the only profession that is now an ALPHA CLASS.
-----Wrong its was the knockdown bh line until it was nefed and then it was eyeshot line. This was like this from about 2 weeks after release when NBH's started showing up and lasted for about 3 months until the commandos had there glory and they havnt gotten jack in the crack since. After all the nerfs Bh's were the most played class, mayeb not the best combat class but the most played so I say alpaha class.
1.They are jealous becuase they don't have a Jedi and want them nerfed becuase they dotn haveone.
Sorry again, I have played since 2 weeks after launch and I never wanted or want a Jedi. I play this game because I enjoy Star Wars and the time period this game is set in. That time period should have 4 jedi in it. Luke, Vader, Yoda, Emperor. Sure there are force sensitive people but those are the only jedi. I am not jealous of the Jedi I feel sorry for many of them. Many are very insecure people in real life who have to dominate in a video game to feel good about themselves.
-----Great I haveplayed sincephase 2 of closed beta(still have bugs i subitted back then that havnt even been fixed yet by the way). How the heck doyou know only 4 jedi survived? Did you see Eppisode III? If I recall I only saw about 4 Jedi from the council get killed and there is way more then 4 on the council. What if others got obi wans message not to return home? Plus nothing in this game is in balance with the time line. Explain how the heck we have and expansion called ROW Episode III with barc speeders? Werent barc speeders associated with the Republic and not the Rebel Alliance/Galactic Empire? Also if were sticking to the timeline/movies so much every singe BH' i saw got pwned bh a jedi. Heck fett jr got knocked into the pit by his own stupidity cuz han knocked into him.
2. They are pissed off because they can't kill a Jedi 1 vs 1 and feel they should.
There is some truth to this statement. I used my respecfrom Master Doc/Master Carbs/Novice Brawler to Master BH/Master Carbs/Novice Doc for the sole reason of curbing the Jedi Population as much as possibile. If you think that a Jedi Healer 4000 healing 1500 every 2 seconds was intended then you are wrong. I feel with the changes on test center and to the Jedi, you will see they are more in line with 1 v 1.
----yes I do think that it was intented. I dont understand how you think you should be inline with a class that takes way longer to optain a finished template. It was also said by the devs that jedi would be able to kill 20 elite professions. Which with permadeath, I aggree 100% but since its out the window i think 3x-5x is where it should be at.1 vs 1give me a break, get over yourself.
I know, I know there will be some smart azz BH giving a line of bull saying something like, " I like the BH class and it's the only one I will play or I like the RP aspect of the BH class." Yeah sure you do!! Why not just fest up and say your to lazy to grind Jedi becuase it' much easier to cry, whine, byotch, moan, and complain to get Jedi nerfed.
Again there are many, many people in this game who do want to be a jedi or to have them in this game. We are not crying or whinning. The devs had stated that Jedi should be RARE and difficult to obtain. They have done neither of those. Please stop thinking that those that do not like you or your class are jealous.
----Just what i said
I dont need to go into it any further, Bh's know it and we know it. If you don't think this is true go look at all the profession boards and you will see that the Bh boards are the only ones crying about Jedi. No other single profession has threads such as Jedi are overpowered, Jedi pop is out of hand, SOE give us something to defend Jedi with, give us a special Jedi shot that will kill them in 1 shot, 1.5x bs more like 5x, I can go on and on. You won't see and other class complain about Jedi like Bh's do and if so it's rare. I just don't know where Bh's get off thinking they should be on an evne playing field with a Jedi or any class that would take as long to grind out. Jedi takes more xp simple as that. If there was some super leet BH class that took as long to grind out as Jedi then fine, you have the right to be on the same lvl as a Jedi. But until then stop ruining the game for us Jedi, it's getting real old. If you have a problem with that go grind out a Jedi or petition SOE to give you a super leet BH class that will be on the same playing field as a Jedi. I would really like to see this becuase I bet most of them wouldn't even bother with the grind, this proving my lazy theory correct.
The reason that the BH class is so vocal is because it is the class the supposed to keep the jedi in check. I have played this game longer than most of the Jedi on these boards, I have countless hours playing this game and had many opportunities to unlock pre publish 9 but I never wanted to. It was your choice to grind out your character and just because it took you more months to fill your 250 skill points does not change the fact that you are not entitled to an uber class. Your lazy theory is weak and full of holes. People do not pick up master BH or BH 4000 because they can't be Jedi, you sir are just plain wrong.
----lol keep us in check who gave Bh's god mod? Do you think you are devs? Oh wait you are and you do keep us in chek by crying and getting jedi nerfed. Yeah you are the most vocal just like waht i said before. Why not oragnize a team and use your skills to keep us in check? I think SOE sent BH's the wrong message here. Think this goes to your heads and makes you think you should be on an even playing filed with jedi. I think what they intened was group bounites not 1 vs 1. I have no problem gettting killed by Bh's but I would like to have a mob show up and then be able to hold my own/have a chance to run away. Not take5 mins to kill a single Bh with doc skills. Now I'll be lucky to kill one with the helaing nerfs going in and the buff to doc/cm heals.Not to go back to the timeline again but I would love to see a BH show up and try to take out count dooku.
FYI I played a BH for a very long time, still do on my alt,and hunted jedi so I know the communities mentality. I am aslo a pre 9 jedi.
FLAME ON BH's
Hunter19
Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:36 pm
#15
It's been so long and I forget what all has changed since, but wasn't creature handler one of the first very very strong professions right at launch? I too was one of those early beta testers and saw how strong these guys were in beta and they could tank just about anything PvE, now PvP, if it was the way it was back then, those 3 level 50 rancors would be nastie, and I mean nastie. Jedi were not around for a few months but if they were, I bet they would have had a time with these guys, if i remember right, doc buffs were not to great yet and the big pets could still hurt ya.
Just some thoughts 
So what profession is the flavor of the day, I can't keep up?
StarwarsJediFan
Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:07 pm
#16
"Heck fett jr got knocked into the pit by his own stupidity cuz han knocked into him. "
sir if by this you mean you died that is incorrect boba fett actually blasted his way out of the sarlacc 
and i actually didnt see that many bh die in the movies form jedi hands..oh yes ONLY ONE YOU SEE DIE.
and i actually didnt see that many bh die in the movies form jedi hands..oh yes ONLY ONE YOU SEE DIE.
slave138
Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:15 pm
#17
Hunter19 wrote:
It's been so long and I forget what all has changed since, but wasn't creature handler one of the first very very strong professions right at launch? I too was one of those early beta testers and saw how strong these guys were in beta and they could tank just about anything PvE, now PvP, if it was the way it was back then, those 3 level 50 rancors would be nastie, and I mean nastie. Jedi were not around for a few months but if they were, I bet they would have had a time with these guys, if i remember right, doc buffs were not to great yet and the big pets could still hurt ya.
Just some thoughts
So what profession is the flavor of the day, I can't keep up?
*DING* *DING* *DING* How right you are... show him what he won!
I was wondering if anyone else would beat me to it and you did. For someone who thinks he knows so much, that guy sure gets the details messed-up.
The CH's were the first nerfed about the same time as ATSTs (just the beginning rounds for both).
BH's first nerf came as a result of being able to chain KDs (if I recall correctly) which was hardly a nerf by today's standards -- it consisted of a cooldown timer of sorts so a target could not be knocked down over and over.
The BHs quickly switched to the Dizzy/Knockdown tactic requiring them to swap pistols and carbines between attacks to land both specials. This was also 'nerfed' to a degree.
And the balances (always referred to as nerfs by the balanced party) continue to this day, but of all of them, I would say the only profession to truly be nerfed was the CHs in what they were led to believe was the first part of the original Combat Rebalance that ended up going through 2 name changes and over 12 months before any type of balance was made. When Jedi (or any other profession) are nerfed into uselessness as bad as the CH's, then they have something to complain about but until then they need to quit whining everytime a little balance is thrown their way.
Phaelyn
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:32 pm
#18
Haywood wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
-----Great I haveplayed sincephase 2 of closed beta(still have bugs i subitted back then that havnt even been fixed yet by the way). How the heck doyou know only 4 jedi survived? Did you see Eppisode III? If I recall I only saw about 4 Jedi from the council get killed and there is way more then 4 on the council. What if others got obi wans message not to return home? Plus nothing in this game is in balance with the time line. Explain how the heck we have and expansion called ROW Episode III with barc speeders? Werent barc speeders associated with the Republic and not the Rebel Alliance/Galactic Empire? Also if were sticking to the timeline/movies so much every singe BH' i saw got pwned bh a jedi. Heck fett jr got knocked into the pit by his own stupidity cuz han knocked into him.
In Episode 4, it is explained that Vader has hunted down and killed all the Jedi and he is the last of their kind. If you read the canon then you can add in Master C'baoth who was a Jedi Master Clone. That makes 5 total. Once again there are plenty of force sensitive people around but not jedi.
Just a SMALL clarification here is in order.
In the above highlighted sentence, you state exactly what is said in Ep 4 - Vader had hunted down all the Jedi and killed them.
Yet, in Ep 5 - Here's Yoda! A Jedi - Not dead, not hunted down - Giving the lie to the statement in Episode 4. Certainly, as real people, we understand that Lucas either forgot the first statement, or deliberately ignored it in order to bring out Yoda.
But as PLAYERS.. We would know history - General Order 66 because the Jedi had turned on the Republic. We would hear scattered rumors of General Kenobi coming out of exile, and delivering Princess Leia from her captivity at the cost of his life. As Rebels, we would know an extremely LUCKY Farmboy is in our ranks, and it's whispered he was Kenobi's student. We would NOT know about Yoda, and given the nature of Beliefs, anything we could not explain would be attributed to the Force, or Jedi. Rebels would call the Imperial announcement of the death of the last Jedi "propaganda", since we KNOW Kenobi had returned - So maybe, just MAYBE other Jedi are still around?
Everyone keeps beating the "Timeline" argument like a dead horse. If the Novels and Comic books can have stories that are not considered Canon, but can be explained away, so can SWG. The mass uprising of Jedi could be one of those "Untold" stories. As long as they all die out (Or return to hiding) before Ep 6. all is right with the timeline.
They can come back out as soon as SWG evolves beyond Ep 6.
The-GunShark
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:26 pm
#19
Phaelyn wrote:
Haywood wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
-----Great I haveplayed sincephase 2 of closed beta(still have bugs i subitted back then that havnt even been fixed yet by the way). How the heck doyou know only 4 jedi survived? Did you see Eppisode III? If I recall I only saw about 4 Jedi from the council get killed and there is way more then 4 on the council. What if others got obi wans message not to return home? Plus nothing in this game is in balance with the time line. Explain how the heck we have and expansion called ROW Episode III with barc speeders? Werent barc speeders associated with the Republic and not the Rebel Alliance/Galactic Empire? Also if were sticking to the timeline/movies so much every singe BH' i saw got pwned bh a jedi. Heck fett jr got knocked into the pit by his own stupidity cuz han knocked into him.
In Episode 4, it is explained that Vader has hunted down and killed all the Jedi and he is the last of their kind. If you read the canon then you can add in Master C'baoth who was a Jedi Master Clone. That makes 5 total. Once again there are plenty of force sensitive people around but not jedi.
Just a SMALL clarification here is in order.
In the above highlighted sentence, you state exactly what is said in Ep 4 - Vader had hunted down all the Jedi and killed them.
Yet, in Ep 5 - Here's Yoda! A Jedi - Not dead, not hunted down - Giving the lie to the statement in Episode 4. Certainly, as real people, we understand that Lucas either forgot the first statement, or deliberately ignored it in order to bring out Yoda.
But as PLAYERS.. We would know history - General Order 66 because the Jedi had turned on the Republic. We would hear scattered rumors of General Kenobi coming out of exile, and delivering Princess Leia from her captivity at the cost of his life. As Rebels, we would know an extremely LUCKY Farmboy is in our ranks, and it's whispered he was Kenobi's student. We would NOT know about Yoda, and given the nature of Beliefs, anything we could not explain would be attributed to the Force, or Jedi. Rebels would call the Imperial announcement of the death of the last Jedi "propaganda", since we KNOW Kenobi had returned - So maybe, just MAYBE other Jedi are still around?
Everyone keeps beating the "Timeline" argument like a dead horse. If the Novels and Comic books can have stories that are not considered Canon, but can be explained away, so can SWG. The mass uprising of Jedi could be one of those "Untold" stories. As long as they all die out (Or return to hiding) before Ep 6. all is right with the timeline.
They can come back out as soon as SWG evolves beyond Ep 6.
i'm gonna try and throw another spanner in the works here
EPVI on his death bed yoda tells luke "when i am gone, the last of the jedi will you be" which after watching EPIII means there were only 2 jedi left, yoda and obi wan (anakin is now a sith lord) we know yoda was also in touch with a blue glowy in EP3 (Qui Gon)and that yodafelt the deaths of all other jedi through the force when order 66 was given, hence he was prepaired for the 2 clone troopers stationed near him to attack.I do think though bh's do have a fair argument even though both sides can get sidetracked at times bickering over mute points. One of the chief dev guys (forget his name) on one of the most recient chats (must have been fan fest or the commons chat thing) stated he wants bh and jedi to fight 1 v 1 and not to group hunt and that jedi areor should be about 1.5 times stronger than any other class, if thats gonna be the case then bh's could never realisticly stand to win even now its difficult against those with the 1500 healing abilities. i know this as i did repec to master bh to suppliment my smuggler which works well, and decided to try a jedi bounty to see what it was like, it turned out to be the crappiest experience i've had ingame, the target was between cl 75 and 80 (cant remember exactly) and as soon as i attacked him he just kept healing himself for more than i could damage him, and i was laying bleed shots and over 1000 damage criticals on him, he then ran into a cantina and didn't come out, i even waited about over 40 mins before i gave up and went off to do other things.
I've heard rumours of the building tef comming back which should be good and i do like the idea of an elite bh class that can go 1 on 1 against jedi (jango was able to, we did see him kill a jedi knight in ep2) or failing an elite bh class something added to the fs skills which aids bh's maybe skills added to the fs ranged lines which increases the damage with any ranged weapon a player is able to use.
I know that the jedi do have some valid points in the bh argument but i think the best point i can make against those that claim your too lazy to get jedi so your a greifer ect ect is this....YOU KNEW when you unlocked your jedi that you would be open to being hunted by bh's if you got yourself onto the boards so you only have yourselves to blame if you get hunted, theres no arguing with that single truth, i knew this info within 48 hours of first playing swg 6 months after it started.
there are so manyt hings i could go on about ive probably lost the plot a few times above hehe i think though at the end of the day it should come down to this, the jedi and bh's who are able to put forward adult/constructive arguments should get together, without interference from other jedi or bh's who seem to make their sole purpose in gamegreifing (yes i do know some on both side who feel their valid doing this), and throw some ideas about and see if they can come up with something that will enhance the jedi/bh gameplay, make things enjoyable hunting and being hunted. at the end of the day jedi and bh's are linked togetherandare here to stay (for the forseeable future) so why not work together and make something thats well rounded anf fair to both sides
i think though at the end of the day it should come down to this, the jedi and bh's who are able to put forward adult/constructive arguments should get together, without interference from other jedi or bh's who seem to make their sole purpose in gamegreifing (yes i do know some on both side who feel their valid doing this), and throw some ideas about and see if they can come up with something that will enhance the jedi/bh gameplay, make things enjoyable hunting and being hunted. at the end of the day jedi and bh's are linked togetherandare here to stay (for the forseeable future) so why not work together and make something thats well rounded anf fair to both sides anyhoo thats it ive rambled on long enough
The-GunShark
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:27 pm
#20
i'm gonna try and throw another spanner in the works here
Phaelyn wrote:
Haywood wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
Nerfmeh wrote:
-----Great I haveplayed sincephase 2 of closed beta(still have bugs i subitted back then that havnt even been fixed yet by the way). How the heck doyou know only 4 jedi survived? Did you see Eppisode III? If I recall I only saw about 4 Jedi from the council get killed and there is way more then 4 on the council. What if others got obi wans message not to return home? Plus nothing in this game is in balance with the time line. Explain how the heck we have and expansion called ROW Episode III with barc speeders? Werent barc speeders associated with the Republic and not the Rebel Alliance/Galactic Empire? Also if were sticking to the timeline/movies so much every singe BH' i saw got pwned bh a jedi. Heck fett jr got knocked into the pit by his own stupidity cuz han knocked into him.
In Episode 4, it is explained that Vader has hunted down and killed all the Jedi and he is the last of their kind. If you read the canon then you can add in Master C'baoth who was a Jedi Master Clone. That makes 5 total. Once again there are plenty of force sensitive people around but not jedi.
Just a SMALL clarification here is in order.
In the above highlighted sentence, you state exactly what is said in Ep 4 - Vader had hunted down all the Jedi and killed them.
Yet, in Ep 5 - Here's Yoda! A Jedi - Not dead, not hunted down - Giving the lie to the statement in Episode 4. Certainly, as real people, we understand that Lucas either forgot the first statement, or deliberately ignored it in order to bring out Yoda.
But as PLAYERS.. We would know history - General Order 66 because the Jedi had turned on the Republic. We would hear scattered rumors of General Kenobi coming out of exile, and delivering Princess Leia from her captivity at the cost of his life. As Rebels, we would know an extremely LUCKY Farmboy is in our ranks, and it's whispered he was Kenobi's student. We would NOT know about Yoda, and given the nature of Beliefs, anything we could not explain would be attributed to the Force, or Jedi. Rebels would call the Imperial announcement of the death of the last Jedi "propaganda", since we KNOW Kenobi had returned - So maybe, just MAYBE other Jedi are still around?
Everyone keeps beating the "Timeline" argument like a dead horse. If the Novels and Comic books can have stories that are not considered Canon, but can be explained away, so can SWG. The mass uprising of Jedi could be one of those "Untold" stories. As long as they all die out (Or return to hiding) before Ep 6. all is right with the timeline.
They can come back out as soon as SWG evolves beyond Ep 6.
EPVI on his death bed yoda tells luke "when i am gone, the last of the jedi will you be" which after watching EPIII means there were only 2 jedi left, yoda and obi wan (anakin is now a sith lord) we know yoda was also in touch with a blue glowy in EP3 (Qui Gon)and that yodafelt the deaths of all other jedi through the force when order 66 was given, hence he was prepaired for the 2 clone troopers stationed near him to attack.
I do think though bh's do have a fair argument even though both sides can get sidetracked at times bickering over mute points. One of the chief dev guys (forget his name) on one of the most recient chats (must have been fan fest or the commons chat thing) stated he wants bh and jedi to fight 1 v 1 and not to group hunt and that jedi areor should be about 1.5 times stronger than any other class, if thats gonna be the case then bh's could never realisticly stand to win even now its difficult against those with the 1500 healing abilities. i know this as i did repec to master bh to suppliment my smuggler which works well, and decided to try a jedi bounty to see what it was like, it turned out to be the crappiest experience i've had ingame, the target was between cl 75 and 80 (cant remember exactly) and as soon as i attacked him he just kept healing himself for more than i could damage him, and i was laying bleed shots and over 1000 damage criticals on him, he then ran into a cantina and didn't come out, i even waited about over 40 mins before i gave up and went off to do other things.
I've heard rumours of the building tef comming back which should be good and i do like the idea of an elite bh class that can go 1 on 1 against jedi (jango was able to, we did see him kill a jedi knight in ep2) or failing an elite bh class something added to the fs skills which aids bh's maybe skills added to the fs ranged lines which increases the damage with any ranged weapon a player is able to use.
I know that the jedi do have some valid points in the bh argument but i think the best point i can make against those that claim your too lazy to get jedi so your a greifer ect ect is this....YOU KNEW when you unlocked your jedi that you would be open to being hunted by bh's if you got yourself onto the boards so you only have yourselves to blame if you get hunted, theres no arguing with that single truth, i knew this info within 48 hours of first playing swg 6 months after it started.
there are so manyt hings i could go on about ive probably lost the plot a few times above hehe i think though at the end of the day it should come down to this, the jedi and bh's who are able to put forward adult/constructive arguments should get together, without interference from other jedi or bh's who seem to make their sole purpose in gamegreifing (yes i do know some on both side who feel their valid doing this), and throw some ideas about and see if they can come up with something that will enhance the jedi/bh gameplay, make things enjoyable hunting and being hunted. at the end of the day jedi and bh's are linked togetherandare here to stay (for the forseeable future) so why not work together and make something thats well rounded anf fair to both sides
i think though at the end of the day it should come down to this, the jedi and bh's who are able to put forward adult/constructive arguments should get together, without interference from other jedi or bh's who seem to make their sole purpose in gamegreifing (yes i do know some on both side who feel their valid doing this), and throw some ideas about and see if they can come up with something that will enhance the jedi/bh gameplay, make things enjoyable hunting and being hunted. at the end of the day jedi and bh's are linked togetherandare here to stay (for the forseeable future) so why not work together and make something thats well rounded anf fair to both sides anyhoo thats it ive rambled on long enough
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