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Thread: Well, they said that the respecs' would leave...
Khendra wrote:
Point me to an official dev post that says this will happen.. From what I understand only ideas are floating around, I havent read anything from the devs stating term changes will happen.
It was in the test center notes, it got taken down because it was posted prematurely but should be back up by now. It was an official TC post by Garva, so these are not just ideas floating around, if you wanna find the post then just go to either the jedi forums, the BH forums, or check the dev tracker it is copied accurately in both places and the official post should be back up by Garva as he stated it would be back up later today, after it was actually put onto TC. He did state that there were some changes from his original post that have been made, and anything could potentially change before coming to live, but as it stands currently this information is accurate and will probably hit live in some form or another.
It really wasn't a random flame......or maybe it was......perhaps a drive by flame! Honestly it just made me spew coffee on my keyboard. Just struck me as funny. Guess I'm an idiot....heheheh
Okiv wrote:
The sig has been there for weeks and I won't cause my guild to lose the advertising because I may or may not yet be leaving.
I'm leaving but join my guild
Even if I had said this exact phrase, it doesn't expose any kind of hypocrisy. If I had said "I think that guilds shouldn't exist but join my guild" that would have been hypocrisy.
Don't randomly flame people - it makes you look like an idiot.
I have had a MBH for almost 2 years and rarely post on these boards, but this effects me greatly.
As a Rebel, I do not want to be hunting down my own faction, nor my own guildmates, nor my own allied PA's jedi members. The time to stalk one would be completely wasted to get to the mark and have that sick feeling in your stomach that you just wasted a good portion of game time to find out it was a friend. I could have just been running NPC missions for quicker payouts and be more profitable unless they are going to jack Jedi bounties up to 1-2mil mark to make it worth the time of wasted hunts before I got lucky and got an imperial jedi.
For a lot of Imperials it doesn't matter as it is an RP thing that they are supposed to be killing all jedi light or dark period by order of the emperor. It still will effect some though.
Neutral BH's it will effect the least.
Either way it pisses me off that they are taking the names off. I want to know if I am about to waste a hour or two looking for one of my best ingame friends' same factioned jedi toonor a true mark.
Khendra wrote:Point me to an official dev post that says this will happen.. From what I understand only ideas are floating around, I havent read anything from the devs stating term changes will happen.
This is not an "official" post but it came from the post that was put up accident and taken down by a dev(all this is admited by the dev in the same thread).
While this change only slightly effects me, as I rarely hunt Jedi anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if even the Old Master BH's from waaay back all hit the road with this change.
I took on BH skills because, well, I like the specials for when I hunt PvE with my group of friends. That being said , I have hunted a few Jedi on Naritus, even bagged a 152k bounty just last week, but now, I likely won't even try em anymore. Too frustrating a process, too many wasted credits on droids trying to find a target that ends up exploiting LOS bugs on Kashyyyk or isn't online.
Faction isn't an issue since I don't support either /shrug...then again...what is there really to support ?
Why the focus has shifted from "Jedi should be careful or they end up on the terms" to "Jedi have little to worry about thanks to LoS bugs, exploits, and bounty hunters should go hunt ....someone....for an ...unknown reward....even though when they get there...alone... to face some Jedi Master (that they had no info on whatsoever), they catch a bad case of "dead" and some "pwnd! Leet-speak trash talk from a 12 year old....is beyond me.
/mood: sarcastic
cause that sounds like a real fun game to play....
/mood: none
Killa-Kell-Krushin wrote:
Khendra wrote:
Point me to an official dev post that says this will happen.. From what I understand only ideas are floating around, I havent read anything from the devs stating term changes will happen.
This is not an "official" post but it came from the post that was put up accident and taken down by a dev(all this is admited by the dev in the same thread).
It was Garva, he's the forum admin.
DiverBuoy wrote:
Dookseid wrote:
LOL. I remember after the CU alot of old time BH's said the respecs would leave after a week or two...
Now, with the proposed changes in BH and the terminals......
Is this gonna thin the BH onslaught??
We are always talking of thinning the Jedi herd, looks like the devs may have found a way to thin ours...
You are seriously narrow minded ... these changes are so significant there actually is no point in these changes ... it won't thin the BH population ... it would be better to create a new profession, BH vs Jedi is dead if these changes go down EXACTLY as they are purported to be right now. I'm no respec ... I'm a respectable bounty hunter and one of the original of ahazi. I have 2 bounty hunter characters THAT's how much I love this content ... and how passionate I am about the JUST SAY NO policy on these changes.
Message Edited by DiverBuoy on 07-05-2005 01:36 PM
Wow, to call me narrow minded is a statement on how you rush to judgement just like you did with this accidental dev post. My post was simply about the people I have already seen say they would quit should this 3 minute accidental post by a dev go through.
Chill out for a sec bro.. I have been a MBH/MP for a long time and have watched many changes happen. I became a BH before there were Jedi bounties so this change is somewhat insignificant to me. I enjoy hunting Jedi but it is not our only content and they are not taking it away. Nothing has been posted yet as official!!
If they do enable the patch as described, then flip the dang coin and become a Jedi. You will still have the content, you will just be the one being hunted!! I don't care, my mind is too narrow to envision having fun in this game any other way with only 31 other professions to choose from
If none of the other 31 professions meet your fancy then I hate to see you go, but alas...
well, my mind has narrowed..... you fill in the blanks for me will ya??
Tamianx wrote:
Okiv wrote:
The only part it will ruin is the ability to target a specific player. If you were doing this they you were not operating as it was intented. Remeber the concept was for you to receive a mission from the term, then hunt/track that person down ... not find the person (either in passing or during GCW events) and then look up their mission.
Sorry, no sympathy here if you were doing as stated above .. and if you were not, then this wont impact you in the least. The only thing I do agree with is they should add faction filtering and on/offline status as well as a base amount (say 200k) plus a bonus based upon number of SP the jedi has in his/her template.
To take down a mark I didn't just ride in on a speeder and let numbers do the work. I often paid low levels to tell me what a Jedi was doing/saying and I quite often went after Jedi I saw duelling in startports and juggling their sabers. This patch may not affect the 'pvp gods' who could solo knights etc, but I aren't one of them. When I beat a Jedi it wasn't through my pvp skills or character build, it was because I followed my target, made a note of what they did and asked about them within my guild and other players who often had usefull intelligence (such as place they live, guild they're in, what they like doing [killing krayts] etc).
This patch changes hunting into duelling to me, as it will completely depend on your ability to pvp and have nothing to do with your ability to hunt. As an MBH/MRanger this makes being a spy and stalker completely hopeless.
The same can be said for the type of Jedi you're hunting. I enjoy hunting paddies as well as knights because paddies run more often than not and cornering them in to actually getting a fight is fun in itself, and takes more skill than duelling.
The abuse of this system goes both ways, as now I won't be able to target the Jedi who are saber-juggling and will end up hunting Jedi who are grinding.
But your describing in " quite often went after Jedi I saw duelling in startports and juggling their sabers" not how the system is designed. BH's are not supposed to make up their own marks, but go after marks given to them by the system. While we both agree something needs to be done with the starport issues (there was a good example given in a anohter post), that does not permit you circumventing the system.
Nothing, beyond the above, changes for you .. you get the mission, get the marks info (im sure will include name downstream .. if not then b1tch and you will get the support of Jedi and BH alike), then hunt them down. More so, a bit of RP is instituted now that you dont know the template the mark has by payout and have to do what you describe (hunt down, study, prep, devise tatics, etc.) .. which should make it even more interesting.
Back to the saber-juggling: The idea posted by someone is that a group of CL 100+ Imp ST's would come down (mentioned would get progressively harder) and attack the Jedi in question should they do that. By coupling this with a BH TEF like feature (i.e. can not obtain help and the ST's could not be attacked by others) then I think you would see less Jedis flauting in NPC towns. There is no reason why this cant be done to control that issue.
So Im going through theed to get to a vendor, or maybe get a dancing enhancement.
I get attacked by a BH, I pullmy saber and all of a sudden 20 NPC mobs come to help out because I used my saber in public, in a NPC town.
You have to realize that as a Jedi my main weapon is a Lightsaber.
If I am attacked I have to use it, or other force powers.
The Devs will never instill this as it would make it impossible for all jedi to access main parts of the game.
Cada_Kai wrote:
Tamianx wrote:
Okiv wrote:
The only part it will ruin is the ability to target a specific player. If you were doing this they you were not operating as it was intented. Remeber the concept was for you to receive a mission from the term, then hunt/track that person down ... not find the person (either in passing or during GCW events) and then look up their mission.
Sorry, no sympathy here if you were doing as stated above .. and if you were not, then this wont impact you in the least. The only thing I do agree with is they should add faction filtering and on/offline status as well as a base amount (say 200k) plus a bonus based upon number of SP the jedi has in his/her template.
To take down a mark I didn't just ride in on a speeder and let numbers do the work. I often paid low levels to tell me what a Jedi was doing/saying and I quite often went after Jedi I saw duelling in startports and juggling their sabers. This patch may not affect the 'pvp gods' who could solo knights etc, but I aren't one of them. When I beat a Jedi it wasn't through my pvp skills or character build, it was because I followed my target, made a note of what they did and asked about them within my guild and other players who often had usefull intelligence (such as place they live, guild they're in, what they like doing [killing krayts] etc).
This patch changes hunting into duelling to me, as it will completely depend on your ability to pvp and have nothing to do with your ability to hunt. As an MBH/MRanger this makes being a spy and stalker completely hopeless.
The same can be said for the type of Jedi you're hunting. I enjoy hunting paddies as well as knights because paddies run more often than not and cornering them in to actually getting a fight is fun in itself, and takes more skill than duelling.
The abuse of this system goes both ways, as now I won't be able to target the Jedi who are saber-juggling and will end up hunting Jedi who are grinding.
But your describing in " quite often went after Jedi I saw duelling in startports and juggling their sabers" not how the system is designed. BH's are not supposed to make up their own marks, but go after marks given to them by the system. While we both agree something needs to be done with the starport issues (there was a good example given in a anohter post), that does not permit you circumventing the system.
Nothing, beyond the above, changes for you .. you get the mission, get the marks info (im sure will include name downstream .. if not then b1tch and you will get the support of Jedi and BH alike), then hunt them down. More so, a bit of RP is instituted now that you dont know the template the mark has by payout and have to do what you describe (hunt down, study, prep, devise tatics, etc.) .. which should make it even more interesting.
Back to the saber-juggling: The idea posted by someone is that a group of CL 100+ Imp ST's would come down (mentioned would get progressively harder) and attack the Jedi in question should they do that. By coupling this with a BH TEF like feature (i.e. can not obtain help and the ST's could not be attacked by others) then I think you would see less Jedis flauting in NPC towns. There is no reason why this cant be done to control that issue.
So Im going through theed to get to a vendor, or maybe get a dancing enhancement.
I get attacked by a BH, I pullmy saber and all of a sudden 20 NPC mobs come to help out because I used my saber in public, in a NPC town.
You have to realize that as a Jedi my main weapon is a Lightsaber.
If I am attacked I have to use it, or other force powers.
The Devs will never instill this as it would make it impossible for all jedi to access main parts of the game.
Either in this post or the one that original person mentioning this system I responded to same question. If was in defense of a BH attack then this would not occur .. jsut if was done dueling or in general .. there is no reason the system could not determine if you were responding (it already tags the TEF on you from the BH) to an attack from a BH or if were doing it for other reasons. Any other reasons except a BH attack could inititate something of this nature.
Added: Im not a BH .. so yes, am very aware what your main weapon would be. Much of the current argument for names on the terms is to deal with Jedi flaunting/dualing in towns .. this would elminate that argument.
Message Edited by Tamianx on 07-05-2005 05:40 PM
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Im an MBH. I will stay.
If for nothing more than to cause the little punk 12yr old whiney brats another day of frustration. I will stay. If I can cause them as much frustration as they cause me, then I am happy.
With all due respect, isn't this called griefing 
?
Fesse
fessestarsider wrote:
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Im an MBH. I will stay.
If for nothing more than to cause the little punk 12yr old whiney brats another day of frustration. I will stay. If I can cause them as much frustration as they cause me, then I am happy.
With all due respect, isn't this called griefing
Fesse
Sometimes irony catches up with us when we least expect it.... LOL
This patch changes hunting into duelling to me, as it will completely depend on your ability to pvp and have nothing to do with your ability to hunt. As an MBH/MRanger this makes being a spy and stalker completely hopeless.
The same can be said for the type of Jedi you're hunting. I enjoy hunting paddies as well as knights because paddies run more often than not and cornering them in to actually getting a fight is fun in itself, and takes more skill than duelling.
The abuse of this system goes both ways, as now I won't be able to target the Jedi who are saber-juggling and will end up hunting Jedi who are grinding.
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This system is being implemented to change the whole concept that the Jedi/BH relationship has evolved into.
Too many BH took the term "Job" seriously. It was never intended that BH actually control the Jedi population, that is something the Devs could easily do at any time without player assistance. Likewise it is not your "Job" to hunt players that are as you put it "saber Juggling".
Your profession offers you a very unique form of game content, seen very rarely in any MMO. The ability to hunt and kill an actual player bounty. If that is truely what you love to do then why should this patch change any thing for you? As soon as you locate the position of your mark, you will know his name. Once you have this you will still be able to shadow and stalk your mark for days if you wish before you attack.
Buku
Naritus