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Thread: Poll/Petition: Should Boss missions be MBH exclusive?
Sinis_Zero wrote:
Mbh already have the jedi missions and stuff dont see why mbh's gotta horde all the fun stuff.
To quote myself earlier:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Sinis_Zero wrote:
Mbh already have the jedi missions and stuff dont see why mbh's gotta horde all the fun stuff.
To quote myself earlier:
Q: What if you dont wan to PvP? I'd suggest doing a different prof then.
Shouldnt MBHs who dont want to PvP have a PVE option which also presents them with a challenge? Yes.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the PVE challenge at MBH be harder than at nov BH? No, why? That seems like a hell ofalot more effort than its worth because you will please the respec bh's and some of the people who grinded out. What about the people who don't want Master BH? Your gonna piss them off and the devs will nerf it so that nobody will be able to get any loot at all.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the loot from the harder PVE missions be better than the easy ones? Logicaly, it would seem so. I answered no.
Dosi wrote:
I don't Pvp, not one on one anyway. I prefer large scale pvp, battles and such. I also don't see myself as a jedi hunter. I don't feel that it is my job, nor did I become a bh to hunt jedi. I also don't recall any point in the movies where a bh was given the responsibility to hunt a jedi. In EP 2, Jango was hired to hunt Padme, and in EP 5, Boba and the other bounty hunters were hired to get Han Solo, not Luke. Yes, they were hunting Solo to pull Luke out of hiding, but they weren't actually hunting jedi. So why is that to be my only perk for being a master?
Thank you for providing proof of my argument that not all MBHs want to PvP. MBH should provide content for those that do, and those that dont. For those that do, Jedi missions. For those that dont, NPC missions which are hard enough to actualy pose a challenge and be enjoyable. That established:
Since all the earlier BH missions are also PVE, isnt it logical that the ones at MBH would be more difficult than the lower levels of investigation? Since the missions at MBH would be harder than the ones at lower levels of invest, isnt it logical that the loot from a harder NPC mission would be better than an easier NPC mission? Logicaly, no one can really deny that reasoning, but to accept it comes with the hard pill to swallow of that better loot also being exclusive to MBHs only, if the missions that drop it area also exclusive to MBHs only.
Sinis_Zero wrote:
To quote myself earlier:
Q: What if you dont wan to PvP? I'd suggest doing a different prof then.
Shouldnt MBHs who dont want to PvP have a PVE option which also presents them with a challenge? Yes.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the PVE challenge at MBH be harder than at nov BH? No, why? That seems like a hell ofalot more effort than its worth because you will please the respec bh's and some of the people who grinded out. What about the people who don't want Master BH? Your gonna piss them off and the devs will nerf it so that nobody will be able to get any loot at all.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the loot from the harder PVE missions be better than the easy ones? Logicaly, it would seem so. I answered no.
Now, lets pay close attention and see if we cant find a problem here. You say if someonewants to PVE(meaning they dont want to PVP)you suggest a different proffession? That means: To get what they want(PVE),some peoplemight have to go about it in a way they dont want to(Not being a BH). And your ok with that, because you suggested it. Fair enough. But lets apply thatlogic another way, to the people that want to get good loot but not master the proffesion. Well take theexact same sentence, just insert different words between the ()s:To get what they want(good loot), some people might have to go about it in a way they dont want to(mastering BH). Now, whyis it thatyou areok with(and willing to suggest)some peopleshould haveto do something they dont want to to get something they want, but not willing to accept such a situation if it applied to yourself? Sounds hypocritical.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 08-17-2005 01:08 AM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Sinis_Zero wrote:
Now, lets pay close attention and see if we cant find a problem here. You say if someone doesnt want to PvP(meaning they do want to PvE) you suggest a different proffession? That means, to get what they want(PVE),some peoplemight have to go about it in a way they dont want to(Not being a BH). And your ok with that, because you suggested it. Fair enough. But lets apply thatlogic another way, to the people that want to get good loot but not master the proffesion: To get what they want(good loot), some people might have to go about it in a way they dont want to(mastering BH) Now, why are you ok with some people having to do something they dont want to, to get what they want, but not wanting to be one of those people yourself? Sounds hypocritical.
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Sinis_Zero wrote:
Mbh already have the jedi missions and stuff dont see why mbh's gotta horde all the fun stuff.
To quote myself earlier:
Q: What if you dont wan to PvP? I'd suggest doing a different prof then.
Shouldnt MBHs who dont want to PvP have a PVE option which also presents them with a challenge? Yes.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the PVE challenge at MBH be harder than at nov BH? No, why? That seems like a hell ofalot more effort than its worth because you will please the respec bh's and some of the people who grinded out. What about the people who don't want Master BH? Your gonna piss them off and the devs will nerf it so that nobody will be able to get any loot at all.
If yes to that, answer this: Shouldnt the loot from the harder PVE missions be better than the easy ones? Logicaly, it would seem so. I answered no.
I probably misunderstood what you wrote. But what i got from that is that you think i am saying people should have to master BH to do the elite and boss missions. I think the fact that i stated a million times and argued the point to you that master bh's should be happy with what they have because alot of professions don't get such opertunties when they master it. I think, judging by what i got out of your post, that you think i am arguing for putting the missions into the mbh box. So in closing, no what i said is not hypocritical, it is if you put words into my preverbial mouth (aka my keyboard) and change around what i said. But not the way i wrote it, no.
The loot drops should be entirely dependent on the lvl of the mob and theinvestigation skills of the hunter. Single silver chevrons should be available at investigation 3 and double golds at investigation 4/MBH. The drop rates need to be tweaked also to be competitive with the amount of time required for off planet missions and difficulty. The low HAM cl80+ mobs shouldn't be dropping high end SEAs...they're just too easy.
As for novice level mission farming for loot....
Iseriously doubt the Devs intended for ppl who never aspire to the rank of Master BH to get this kind of loot. It's a design flaw that players are capitalizing on big time. For 3 days before I trained in invest 1-2, I farmed novice level missions and looted more qualitygear than I have in 3 days of MBH'ing b/c of the time it takes to perform an off world mission. It's sooooo easy to sit in Cnet with the mission browser open, planetary map up and talk to the informant to quickly discern the marks location. If the mark isn't close to the shuttleport you simply dump the mission and grab a new one, rinse and repeat until you find one that's close. Takes all of about 2 mins...you zip off to the closest shuttle, get your slay on and loot. Takes about 5 minutes to complete a mission round trip.
Message Edited by Reyza on 08-17-2005 01:21 AM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
If you want to simply say yes/no and why, thats fine. If you want to /sign it or not sign it and tell why, thats fine as well. The issue to debate/discuss is this:
Firstly: should ONLY bosses drop "good" loot(that being BHschems/crystals/CAs&AAs)? I'm not completely sure if this isnt already the case, but I've read reports of people getting good loot from normal missions, though that cant be verified. If you have had that experience, please share so we'll know.
Secondly: If bosses are the only ones that drop "good" loot, should boss missions be exclusive to MBH? Currently, any BH can get missions with marks that drop the "good" loot mentioned above. Should boss missions be exclusive to MBHs, in the same way that Jedi missions are?
There are plenty of other examples in game currently of different proffessions that have certain content that can only be acessed by mastery of that proffession, so the question on the table here is should boss(or "good" loot dropping missions) be that type of content for the BH proffession?
PS: Thnx in advance for keeping this civilized and to the point. Please keep your argument logical instead of emotional, and maybe we can give Tanks some clear info on how the community feels about this that he can pass along to the Devs
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 08-17-2005 12:14 AM
No.
MBH's carot is hunting Jedi, that's it.
The loot is already so bad in this game, and there is already a large enough segment who want to keep it that way so they can jack up prices because of their greed.
Nope. Let em all have it. And if loot was working properly in this game, it wouldn't even be an issue because the stuff we'd be getting (besides the BH armor) would be the same as everyone else.
Lol....I could care less about hunting Jedi. They'relike the galacticcockroach of SWG....and when they die....they don't stay dead!!!
Grunzer wrote:
No.
MBH's carot is hunting Jedi, that's it.
Reyza wrote:
Lol....I could care less about hunting Jedi. They'relike the galacticcockroach of SWG....and when they die....they don't stay dead!!!
Grunzer wrote:
No.
MBH's carot is hunting Jedi, that's it.
Too bad. It's what ya get. don't like it? Poo Poo on you.
Grunzer wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
If you want to simply say yes/no and why, thats fine. If you want to /sign it or not sign it and tell why, thats fine as well. The issue to debate/discuss is this:Firstly: should ONLY bosses drop "good" loot(that being BHschems/crystals/CAs&AAs)? I'm not completely sure if this isnt already the case, but I've read reports of people getting good loot from normal missions, though that cant be verified. If you have had that experience, please share so we'll know.Secondly: If bosses are the only ones that drop "good" loot, should boss missions be exclusive to MBH? Currently, any BH can get missions with marks that drop the "good" loot mentioned above. Should boss missions be exclusive to MBHs, in the same way that Jedi missions are?There are plenty of other examples in game currently of different proffessions that have certain content that can only be acessed by mastery of that proffession, so the question on the table here is should boss(or "good" loot dropping missions) be that type of content for the BH proffession?PS: Thnx in advance for keeping this civilized and to the point. Please keep your argument logical instead of emotional, and maybe we can give Tanks some clear info on how the community feels about this that he can pass along to the Devs
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 08-17-2005 12:14 AM
No.MBH's carot is hunting Jedi, that's it.
The loot is already so bad in this game, and there is already a large enough segment who want to keep it that way so they can jack up prices because of their greed.
Nope. Let em all have it. And if loot was working properly in this game, it wouldn't even be an issue because the stuff we'd be getting (besides the BH armor) would be the same as everyone else.
Wrong. There is absolutly no reason why hunting jedi should be my only reward. Bounty Hunters did not hunt jedi in the movies, so why do I have to be a jedi hunter here.? If that's your idea of what a bh should be, then there should be another class, labelled Jedi Hunter.
Dosi wrote:
Grunzer wrote:
No.
MBH's carot is hunting Jedi, that's it.
The loot is already so bad in this game, and there is already a large enough segment who want to keep it that way so they can jack up prices because of their greed.
Nope. Let em all have it. And if loot was working properly in this game, it wouldn't even be an issue because the stuff we'd be getting (besides the BH armor) would be the same as everyone else.
Wrong. There is absolutly no reason why hunting jedi should be my only reward. Bounty Hunters did not hunt jedi in the movies, so why do I have to be a jedi hunter here.? If that's your idea of what a bh should be, then there should be another class, labelled Jedi Hunter.
+1
I also think permadeath should be brought back, however padawan should be a playableprofession from the beginning. All this cloning and living forever is such an immersion breaker.
Message Edited by Reyza on 08-17-2005 09:13 AM