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Thread: To BH from Post CU jedi

Digitalalchemyzt
Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:31 pm
#14

yeah there really REALLY needs to be Jedi factions. Outside of that, i dont want nerfs. at this point, things need to be fixed. devs nerf WAY too many things for all of the professions and its readily apparent. The problem with your statement tho about the swg world is not all about jedi is that SONY has used that as a marketing tool as Lucas Arts did not when they had the reigns of the project. Which is why jedi is MUCH easier to achieve. U got to thank sony for that one. But Jedi was sonys marketing tool. Sony messed up really, but you cant tell them that. Two. whining had a hand in it too.
LordMarr
Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:03 pm
#15

Pre CU and Post CU jedishould be on par and perhaps have dark side and light side factions would be better. Rewards for being a vet, well you already get those. I got an ADK kit, hologramed items, free resource deeds, etc. Those are the cool things you get for being a vet. Maybe like an extra 5 skillpoints when you reach year three would be nice.


But you have this huge rift between the old and the new. The old guys got these lightsabers that kick the hell out of any new jedi with the best lightsaber he can make with the current resources. That creates alot of hostilty between new players and old players. New jediswant to participate in PVP but dont. The only jedi that pvpare the old school, atleast on my server its that way. New jedi will only duel with other new jedi.


My friend and i last night got the same mission on an old school jedi. He has one of the best lightsabers in the galaxy. He kicked the hell out of us. But i think he is bored, the only players that pvp him are the unfortunate bounty hunters that get his mission. After the fight he boosted about his 2handed and his one hand lightsabers and their stats and called me a clown becuase i told em "nice KD bug there".


But whats kinda disconcerting is he has created his own boredom with his own weopons. I dont even think he has many other players that he socializes with. I think he said his wife started playing 2 months and its the only other player i have ever seen em with. He is a two year vet like me and probably a nice guy in real life but i think he has let the jedi thing with his ultimate weopons get to his head and doesnt see the black hole ofboredom that he has self created.

-Southern-
Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:05 pm
#16

And thats why pre-cu jedi will always rank higher in the FRS than the post-cu jedi, but this isn't the forum to blab about that.



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LordMarr
Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:12 pm
#17

The only thing the should separate a new player and an old player is experience. Older players know how to play the game better and know more tactics and strategies. In the BH community this is very true as we are all on par with each in equipment and skills. Whats separates the vet bhs and the new bhs is the knowledge and experience. The old jedi and new jedi, its not only the experience, its the weopons and these weopons drive a huge wedge between them. Might as well have separate servers since their isnt any equality.The new jedihits you for 400, the old jedi hits you for 800. Wonder why they mainly stick to pve. Whats the point.
LordMarr
Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:23 pm
#18

oh, i want say that i agree with the other person's statement that jedi should be tougher than bhs and other classes. However the issue of the pre cu and post cu lightsabers create a massive imbalance between all players old and new.
MordackKahn
Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:12 am
#19


Post-CU jedi are carebears now, and there is no real fear of being killed by a bh than what it used to be. Maybe the devs will wise up and create a jedi free server.
Arjan79
Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:49 am
#20

I think you forget the point that jedi were not the only ones who received the 2X exp period, so that argument doesn't count cause BH could get their prof done twice as fast aswell. Only the jedi may have used it more cause the exp they normally get doesn't compare with normal exp and this way they would be getting a bit more.

Also the Ryatt trials wasn't jedi only aswell. I have been at the ryatt trials for a few days and there were normal profs doing the afk thing aswell. I agree it is not a way the jedi should get exp but at that time it was the only viable way to do it. Group visibility was still in place and solo grinding was impossible. You wouldn't get more then 20k-50k for a few hours work. And that is not much if you see that a tier 4 box in jedi costs 1.6 mill exp. Most players take the road which gives the least resistance to advance, not only jedi. We,as jedi, only get about 1300 exp for 1 lvl 80 kill and that is when you are lvl 80 aswell

I know there are some people among jedi and BH who whine about eachothers profs. Some BH want the jedi handed on a plate to make an easy kill. Not all BH want this but there are a few that don't know their prof and want it the easy way. Some jedi want to be left alone without forced PVP. These whiners should take up another prof cause they don't belong to their current profs.

I agree that a jedi should have something to fight for when a BH comes for them, right now a jedi has no stimulance to fight the BH. If BH wins jedi loses exp, and if jedi wins it delaying the inevitable cause they still are on the terms. Enough ideas around on the forums to make the BH-jedi fights more interesting.

Now the difference between a postCU jedi and a preCU jedi is just too big. offcourse the precu jedi have more experience and that should be their advantage against the postCU jedi. This is why the premium pearls should be dropping again, this way the gap will decrease steadily over time. The current prices for a prem pearl are bluntly said crazy. 20 mill for a prem pearl of which you don't even know the basic stats, not until tuned anyway. Its almost a nessecary saber component these days to be viable as a jedi. offcourse many say that a prem pearl is luxury because there are quality and fair crystals and pearls aswell. But currently a jedi without an almost perfect saber and who is still not full temp almost always lose angainst a full temp BH.

just my 2 cents



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LordMarr
Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:54 am
#21

I respect both pre and post CU jedi, Well the old jedi went thru permadeath, lose exp at every death, and a much harder grind. The Post CU Jedi, its alot easier to grind, the exp loss isnt as bad as it only happens from a BH Kill, but what i respect is that they have to use the current lightsabers built with crappy pearls. Because their lightsabers dont even compare to a old jedi, thePost CU Jediare forced to use tactics and strategy to win their fights against a bh.


An old jedi with his uber lightsaber just has to hit a BH several times and he is out. Not much strategy, the old jedi has a nice laugh at the BH and then goes back to being bored trying to find a person that will pvp against his 3-hits-and-your-dead lightsaber.


Talluin
Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:39 am
#22

I agree to a certain extent the points made in your post.


When you say that these afk Ryatt trail grinders was the only 'viable' way of grinding the jedi profession, you totally miss the point of being a Jedi. By the time you reach Jedi rank and unlock, it is assumed, that you have some concept of protecting yourself, as it is well publicised and documented that Jedi is a PvP profession.


These grinders who done all their work during the 4x XP and ryatt trail didn't 'Earn' the right to be an alpha class, therefore i direct you to me previous post


I agree that the same is true for other professions, but then the cream always rises to the top. respec BH's and 4x XP grinders who grinded to MBH the easy way will not be as good at hunting Jedi than a person who has been a bounty hunter for a long period of time and has learned his/her craft through experience.


I don't hear many older bounty hunters complaining about the dots being bugged, they adapt, as they always have done. Surely even you can see that theperson who attained Jedi by grinding away on the ryatt trail, afk, re-specced, whatever, HAVE NOT earned the right to be better andabove other people?


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Arjan79
Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:08 am
#23

Okay i have been a Jedi since christmas last year so I'm a preCU and postpub9 jedi. Till the CU I tried to be as non-visible as possible. solo grinding and stuff. when the CU came it was no longer possible for me to solo things, LVL80 but not with jedi skills. So I dropped a few skills to get my toon to lvl 65. After that the solo grind was still not viable, because I didn't do enough damage with my jedi ( even got incapped by a lvl 36 huurton for crying out loud). So the 2X exp period was not very usefull for me aswell.

Then I heard that people finished temps within 3 weeks. offcourse I thought that would be lame and I played the old way for some time, but people just said I was stupid to try to lvl without the ryatt trials. I decided to try it at LS 0042, novice defender, healer 2000 and enhancer 2002. would you resist the temptation to go and grind in the ryatt trials if people would get skills faster then the normal way?

I was maybe afk once during the ryatt trial grind, the rest I was after the keyboard the entire time. So some BH got a good fight before they nailed me, all this without using the LOS bug against a BH.

So if you think i don't deserve to be a bit of an alpha class because I grinded in the ryatt trials then so be it. I always give the BH a fight when they come for me, A BH who got my mission in the past can't deny that.



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Bennn
Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:34 am
#24

It's all very well to tell MCM to stop moaning about DOT's not working, however wouldnt you be annoyed if you was to grind a skill that didnt work? I mean if force suppresion stoped working wouldnt you be annoyed?




Talluin
Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:57 pm
#25

Southern wrote:


because we have to grind 10x as long as you do... i think its only fair... We took the time to grind xp for this template... its only fair that we are a class above everyone else. Now dont get me wrong im a mcm/mbh on my alt, but i still think that a jedi SHOULD be stronger than everyone else.

*edit* If the other proffessions had to grind as much as we do, then i would agree with you that they should be equal. But they dont... therfore they shouldnt.


I would agree with you on thisbut i'm sorry, the 4x XP, the ryatt trail afk grinders, have no way earned the right to be a 'class above' and to be honest, they aren't.


A lot of people are whining and crying about the dots being buggy, well, adapt, its what the bounty hunter profession has been doing since day 1. your debuffs are far more useful than a ticking dot, sure, the dots help, but a good kinetic carbine/pistol at your side and good tactics using the debuffs will be far more effective.


I agree, pre CU Jedi have earned the right to be as class above other professions, and it shows with the pre CU sabers and obvious 'match practice' when it comes to PvP. Post CU ryatt grinders and 4x XP have NOT earned that right, therefore should shut the hell up whining about pearl drops etc....Do you hear MCM's 'whining' that their uber dots have gone(i'm talking the uber poisons that CM's had pre CU) No... you hardly ever hear it. Sure. let the Post CU Jedi have all the uberness they want, just let the other professions have that same 'Uberness' to balance it


Talluin


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