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Thread: KD + Stasis suppose to freeze me down ?
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Xevin
Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:56 pm
#1
More and more Jedi seem to KD me then Stasis me and I am just stuck there.. I thought at first it was a KD bug... is that suppose to be able to freeze me in the KD position? I dont see how they can KD me freeze me and beat on me at the same time? I thought the Stasis was suppose to break if I take damage?
I guess that would be ultimate I win button if so?
Not griping am just asking. If so I think Ill start doing something aside from BH heh.
again not griping I just need to know whats up with this heh.
Maxil
Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:03 pm
#2
don't worry, us jedi get it from bh'ers too... the imbalancing factor is tho we can heal while knocked down. O.o
instapeace
Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:05 pm
#3
If they KD / Stasis / and then keep on hitting you it's exploiting. If you are stasis and someone hits you, the stasis comes off. Not the same deal when they KD you first I guess. Punk lamer jedi always exploit the most and always have.
AD_Maj
Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:51 pm
#4
instapeace wrote:
If they KD / Stasis / and then keep on hitting you it's exploiting. If you are stasis and someone hits you, the stasis comes off. Not the same deal when they KD you first I guess. Punk lamer jedi always exploit the most and always have.
Yep. Stasis is one of the ultimate "get away" moves. ( personally I dont agree with this, but w/e ) Any damage taken with Stasis on and it breaks.
KammaRocca
Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:01 pm
#5
It works as intended. A smuggler/BH can do the same thing with underhand shot/concussion shot combo. Knockdown knocks you down, stasis freezes you so you can't take action (including standing), then the next hit will take you out of stasis after which you can knockdown recover. It feels kind of screwy whenyou're in the middle of a battle because you "lose a turn" from knockdown recovery, but if you check your combat log, it makes sense. It probably increases the chance of getting the "Can't knockdown recover while knocked down" bug, but if you wait until stasis is broken it shouldn't happen as much.
Message Edited by KammaRocca on 09-23-2005 11:03 PM
Iceovekan
Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:16 pm
#6
Yep. This works as intendend.
Best thing to do is to pick up novice commando to get the rocket launcher pistol, couple that with smuggler's panic shot.
Watch the hate tells you get when you lob a rocket launcher at a group of riflemen/jedi with concussion = AOE, KD + Can't do squat for 20-40 seconds. Pick off the sacrificial lamb not in the AOE cone, and work your way in.
Yes this is a valid tactic. What is buggy is force suppression (wave?) that Jedi can chain root you. There is no counter for root, and unlike pistoleer's root which has a 50 second cool down the jedi root can be reapplied at will.
yatyas91
Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:56 am
#7
Working asintendend? Ok I am dueling a jedi friend and he KD's me and then throws statis. He starts wailing me for serious damage, I cant run or move and you are telling me this is working as intended?
I bet when I throw paralysis on you and start to shoot at you and all you can do is take damage without moving would that be considered working as intended?
Xoreshear
Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:20 am
#8
Nope I don't think anyone is arguing when that occurs you have a problem|bug. I was making the point that daze attacks prevent all action and last til damage is taken after it is applied, that counts being in a KDed state. I have seen more than a few suggest it is an exploit if you KD then daze, when it is not. What you describe is here is not proper. I haven't been seeingwhat you describehappening consistently.
Since last patch I have noticed more creatures will warp right to me after I attack and I then immediately use my KD, imp charge shot. After that they will lay there til dead most of time or near dead before they KD recover. Again this hinges on the warp occurring first. So I don't doubt something is up, I was just refuting the idea that normal use of a daze special with KD is exploiting. So preventing all action is intended, not breaking on damage is not. I apologize if this sounds nonsensical. I am temporarily on a wickedly low carb diet currently that makes even basic thought a chore. 
yatyas91 wrote:
Working asintendend? Ok I am dueling a jedi friend and he KD's me and then throws statis. He starts wailing me for serious damage, I cant run or move and you are telling me this is working as intended?
I bet when I throw paralysis on you and start to shoot at you and all you can do is take damage without moving would that be considered working as intended?
Message Edited by Xoreshear on 09-24-2005 08:31 AM
KammaRocca
Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:22 am
#9
yatyas91 wrote:
Working asintendend? Ok I am dueling a jedi friend and he KD's me and then throws statis. He starts wailing me for serious damage, I cant run or move and you are telling me this is working as intended?
I bet when I throw paralysis on you and start to shoot at you and all you can do is take damage without moving would that be considered working as intended?
It's working as intended. You are dueling your Jedi friend and he KD's you and throws stasis. At that point, he has exactly one (1) free hit. After that hit, stasis is broken and you can then use your knockdown recovery ability to stand up. If you don't use knockdown recovery, he is free to hit you indefinately, but that's not a problem with the game. If you don't think it works that way, check your combat log after the fight.
Jediknight2k1
Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:37 am
#10
Maxil wrote:
don't worry, us jedi get it from bh'ers too... the imbalancing factor is tho we can heal while knocked down. O.o
Jedi have always been able to heal while KD'd. Its one of thing that actually make us 1.5x more powerful.
Oh to the OP Stasis does break on damage.
KammaRocca
Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:22 am
#12
instapeace wrote:
Ya, I severely lack intelligence.
That might have been a bad assumption on my part, but it makes sense if I'm RETARDED for understanding how something works that you seem to think is broken even though it was explained several times previously--and it does work as intended.
If you still have problems with it, try fighting without any macros you might be using--even if it's just a knockdown timer--and see if that makes a difference. If you don't want to try it with a Jedi, grab a bounty hunter and at least a novice smuggler and have them duel you. Make sure none of you have a default attack set. Get the BH to hit the underhand shot, the smuggler to do the concussion shot, then try to recover. You won't be able to. Then have one of them hit one shot and try recovering again. It will work. The same applies to Jedi on a faster scale. In the heat of the battle it seems like it's nonstop attack from the Jedi, but it's really only three hits. Last time it happened to me, I checked the combat log and everything worked right. There's not even much of a cooldowntimer if there is a timer at all, so you can knockdown recover and hit a shot the second you stand up.
And no bonus points for anybody for using the "you know what happens when you assume" joke because it's even less clever than "working hard or hardly working."
xEPICx
Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:31 am
#13
Good idea. And hopefully that means one less whining BH.
Xevin wrote:
More and more Jedi seem to KD me then Stasis me and I am just stuck there.. I thought at first it was a KD bug... is that suppose to be able to freeze me in the KD position? I dont see how they can KD me freeze me and beat on me at the same time? I thought the Stasis was suppose to break if I take damage?
I guess that would be ultimate I win button if so?
Not griping am just asking. If so I think Ill start doing something aside from BH heh.
again not griping I just need to know whats up with this heh.
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