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Thread: template thoughts

Vepyr
Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:18 pm
#1

II'm no where near Jedi, I have one unlocked FS tree and one box in it But, I was messing with Jedi templates tonight bored and was wondering what those with some experience as a Jedi think of this one:


LS: 0/4/0/4

Powers: 0/0/4/0

Healing: 4/0/0/4

Enhance: 3/1/0/4

Defense: 4/0/4/0


V
DML6589
Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:40 pm
#2

Get one mastery at least



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Vepyr
Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:48 am
#3

Why? How would having one thing mastered be more of a benefit?
Vcardossk
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:00 am
#4



Vepyr wrote:
Why? How would having one thing mastered be more of a benefit?






It's a little thing called 500+ force. You don't have master ls, so that will automatically make jed vs. jedi pvp really hard. I have 0 idea why you got that lvl 1 skill in enhancer, waste of sp in my opinion.


Your template wouldn't stand a chance against amlost every other curent template in use.



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Zutono
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:03 am
#5

Sadly the template's a bit spread out...kinda need to specialize in something or you're not gonna have enough force to stay alive for very long. In PvP a decent set of drains and it's over.



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Vepyr
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:30 am
#6

I put that level 1 in enhancer cuz it was the last of the SP I had, and it was Force Absorb I believe, not sure off hand though. I didn't realize the master boxes gave so much more force than the other boxes.


The strength of this template, I felt, was that it can do a little of everything. Where a template like MLS, M Defender has holes against a good Force Power user, or a Master Power Master Healer template has hole against a MLS template, this can manage against both. But like I said I haven't had any experience with a Jedi character, so I'm only guessing at this point.


Has anyone else tried something like this? Jack of all trades master of none?


V
Barb-Wire
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:40 am
#7






Vepyr wrote:

I put that level 1 in enhancer cuz it was the last of the SP I had, and it was Force Absorb I believe, not sure off hand though. I didn't realize the master boxes gave so much more force than the other boxes.


The strength of this template, I felt, was that it can do a little of everything. Where a template like MLS, M Defender has holes against a good Force Power user, or a Master Power Master Healer template has hole against a MLS template, this can manage against both. But like I said I haven't had any experience with a Jedi character, so I'm only guessing at this point.


Has anyone else tried something like this? Jack of all trades master of none?


V







every build has holes in it. the question is can you overcome those holes or work around them. the holes you have are pretty big.



  1. lack of DPS due to not reaching the speed limit

  2. lack of the best saber attacks also limiting DPS further

  3. lack of accuracy with the saber also even further limiting DPS

  4. lack of damage reduction from mastery increasing DPS from whatever your fighting

  5. lack of force power

  6. lack of regen

while you cover all the basic skills well your holes in other areas will severely limit your effectiveness. however if your a support type player not involving yourself in direct combat but only enough to defend yourself then that MIGHT work ok.


my best advice is pick skillsets you want to be. you CANT cover all the bases. the best you can do is pick a skillset with holes you can live with.


the way i choose what i wanted to be is i want the best saber i can get. i love lightsabers. i also want the powers of the darkside force choking people using mind powers and shooting lightning out of my hands is what i want. this means i go master sabers and master powers. and healer 4004 is a no brainer from there. i can live with the lack of force run. i will just let the other guy use his force run to flee from me but my point is pick somehting you want to be as a jedi and go from there. dont follow these FOTM types you just wont be happy.




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Llazarus
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:46 am
#8

You will be a total gimp. Even BHs 1 on 1 will be a problem for you.

Without Master LS you will never win against someone with Master LS.

Message Edited by Llazarus on 12-16-2004 06:48 PM



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kardia
Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:04 am
#9






Vepyr wrote:

II'm no where near Jedi, I have one unlocked FS tree and one box in it But, I was messing with Jedi templates tonight bored and was wondering what those with some experience as a Jedi think of this one:


LS: 0/4/0/4

Powers: 0/0/4/0

Healing: 4/0/0/4

Enhance: 3/1/0/4

Defense: 4/0/4/0


V





1. Number, since you don't have master LS you wil not be able to do enough damage to a melee stacker to stay alive. Also since you don't have 4.0.0.04 you can't not hit somone mind so anyone with novice medic is going to own you.


2. Just stop powers all together you would be better off with novice brawler since that does 50% damamge reduction


3. all somone needs todo is hit you with posoin/diease/fire and you are done for


4. Without forcerun2 to get away with all hte above that will happen to you, and take that 8 sp points and put them into either 4.1.0.0 healer, or get 4.0.0.4 enchaner whic is better than just have the force aborb or what ever







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Zutono
Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:47 am
#10

Need to have some way to do damage. Jedi can NOT tank forever...especially in melee. Figure out what jedi in the movies (or books) you're the most similar to, and you'll get an idea of where to go. I'm personally going for a cross between the Emperor and Yoda.


M Powers

4004 Enhancer (speeds, runs, recharges)

0404 Saber

2004 Healer


What this template does is make me a walking lightshow. I won't be all that good in PvP until the Combat Upgrade, but in PvE I can have a TON of fun. If I'm grouped with another jedi in PvP...especially a MLS/MEnhancer...it'll be a devastating team.



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Vepyr
Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:52 pm
#11

Thank you all for your input, I figured I was barking up the wrong tree with that template but I needed someone to tell me WHY I was wrong...not just "It's a gimp." I'm silly that way.


As I've told my guildies for a long time now, my only lament in SWG is I can't be a black mage. Since I was 10 playing pencil and paper DnD I've been facinated with the mage classes. With Jedi I was hoping to get something close to it, butI was told by many my dreams ofMaster Powers, Master Enhancer, 4/0/0/4 Healer wouldn't work So the above was my alternative.


Seeing as how that won't work either I guess it's back to the drawing board.


But again thanks everyone for your input!


V
Zutono
Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:59 pm
#12

If you've got a bunch of people willing to tank for you ALL the time...master powers/master enhancer/4004 healer would be a FUN template



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Corbantis Keep (CbntK)
"Lead, follow, or GET OUT OF THE WAY!"
---==={{{[[[ Prince Xizor sends his regards ]]]}}}===---

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Barb-Wire
Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:04 pm
#13






Vepyr wrote:

Thank you all for your input, I figured I was barking up the wrong tree with that template but I needed someone to tell me WHY I was wrong...not just "It's a gimp." I'm silly that way.


As I've told my guildies for a long time now, my only lament in SWG is I can't be a black mage. Since I was 10 playing pencil and paper DnD I've been facinated with the mage classes. With Jedi I was hoping to get something close to it, butI was told by many my dreams ofMaster Powers, Master Enhancer, 4/0/0/4 Healer wouldn't work So the above was my alternative.


Seeing as how that won't work either I guess it's back to the drawing board.


But again thanks everyone for your input!


V






consider substituting sabers for powers or enhancer. the reality is that you will be very gimped for force and regen without one mastery. sabers is by far the most benefit of all the masteries. it sounds to me that you have a choice to make. your just not sure what you want yet to be as a jedi. i knew as soon as i read the skill descriptions what i wanted so i have never had any real doubt.


you CAN be powers/enahncer masters and 4004 healing your just going to have to rely on others to defend you. your going to be super weak to ranged attacks and nearly invulnerable to melee which is a little opposite to most other jedi. your template is not a soloist one however.


like i said in a earlier post your going to have to make an honest assessment and see if the holes are ones you can live with


dont give up because someone just points em out.



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