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Thread: #1 Showstopper for BH [cbt_spam_unknown] in combat log following Adv Saber Throw
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FREEKiller
Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:37 pm
#1
THE BUG:
All offensive actions by me the BH are halted WHILE I am still able to heal and run. Meantime the Jedi continues to deal damage over and over. I have combat logs showing this behavior with no misses on my part - simply not a single offensive action, no feedback like "out of range", or"cannot see target", or "you are too tired". My action and mind are near full to start (butdraining fast on heals to keep up). I have logs that last from 1 min (if the saber damage is very high) to 17 minutes long in which i'm running the whole time unable to attack the jedi. These logs show me getting hammered over and over, and not a single offensive output, all the while healing myself like mad in order to try and keep up - until ultimately I run out of mind and perish. Could anyone look at a log like this and say "oh noob that's stasis they are using on you" "or you actually have to target the jedi when you shoot" "or dude you might wanna look and see if you are outta action and see the 'you are too tired' message before posting crap like this". So you understand I have a clue what i'm talking about here is my background:
BACKGROUND:
I've been a BH in this game for 2 years. I have a full template Jedi. PvP is my ONLY thing to do in the game. I have a clue how PvP works. I've adjusted to more changes than I can count in this game. Old timers will know what kind of changes I'm referring to if I say July 2003 disarming shot 2 nerf, last ditch nerf (3 times in one month- first damage output, then action drain, then delay between executions) all delivered in 3 seperate hot fixes. And the list goes on ... at one point I recounted 15 major nerfs or changes to some critical part of my template, my profession, my tools. I mean it when I say I have adjusted and adapted to every singleenvironmental change,skills based or abilities based change, weapon change, damage change, accuracy change, state change, food change, buff change, support equipment change that has ever been forced on me. And I do this rarely (outside of the big CU change) with complaint.I'm stalwart and tough -I don't give up.
But this is thingis ashowstoppera game ender between Jedi and BH.I will not waste my time accusing specific characters in this forum but I have subjected myself for the benefit of my continuance in this gameover and over in the last 2 weeks following publication 20 in an attempt to withdrawl any scrap of information from logs, marks, neighbors, spatial comments - anything to put my finger on the problem. Everything I've learned and everything I've found I havereported clearly and concisely. I reportedvia CSR channels and via in-game /bug feature, without results. The most recent response from CSR was "can you help me replicate this issue". Well I'd love to help but I've given all the information I currently have on the subject, i'm stuck. So I'm taking this issue to the people. I believe here I may get results.
CASES:
For me the issue has occuredin 10 out of the last 15 battles. I will state for the record this bug could be self inflicted (IE occur because of the way I try to perform a KD recovery or a heal or due to what is targeted at the time that I do aheal or KD recovery), it could be due to an exploit (not to beaccusitory because again I simply am exploring all options). It's also possible that the new TEF changes have some bearing.
MY ROUTINE:
My template is mp/mbh/0400cm. I try to KD, Disarm2 (although the daze effect of this was nerfed in 20, so I skip this step now), AdvCrit,Body,Torso, then root and follow with my DOT attacks (assuming the battle has lasted this long). In 3 cases the very first attack from the jedi that lands on me is theAdv Saber Toss which immediately puts me on my back with thenow infamous error message in the combat log (white text that reads either [cbt_spam_unknown] or [cbt_spam_kd]. For the record,I adjust the order and type of my attacks based on numerous circumstances including whether I use bomb droid or what state I find the jedi in (surprise is our best attack).
ACTION ITEMS:
Has anyone else seen this behavior?Is there anyone who just flat out knows the reason (IE they heard about the "exploit", if it is one) who is willing to step forewardand lay it on the table? Please help save BH.
FREEKiller
Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:17 pm
#2
This was also posted in the BH forums, sorry about the double post for those of you who read both ... but this item is cross related and I'm hoping someone with more info will step forward.
THE BUG:
All offensive actions by me the BH are halted WHILE I am still able to heal and run. Meantime the Jedi continues to deal damage over and over. I have combat logs showing this behavior with no misses on my part - simply not a single offensive action, no feedback like "out of range", or "cannot see target", or "you are too tired". My action and mind are near full to start (but draining fast on heals to keep up). I have logs that last from 1 min (if the saber damage is very high) to 17 minutes long in which i'm running the whole time unable to attack the jedi. These logs show me getting hammered over and over, and not a single offensive output, all the while healing myself like mad in order to try and keep up - until ultimately I run out of mind and perish. Could anyone look at a log like this and say "oh noob that's stasis they are using on you" "or you actually have to target the jedi when you shoot" "or dude you might wanna look and see if you are outta action and see the 'you are too tired' message before posting crap like this". So you understand I have a clue what i'm talking about here is my background:
BACKGROUND:
I've been a BH in this game for 2 years. I have a full template Jedi. PvP is my ONLY thing to do in the game. I have a clue how PvP works. I've adjusted to more changes than I can count in this game. Old timers will know what kind of changes I'm referring to if I say July 2003 disarming shot 2 nerf, last ditch nerf (3 times in one month - first damage output, then action drain, then delay between executions) all delivered in 3 seperate hot fixes. And the list goes on ... at one point I recounted 15 major nerfs or changes to some critical part of my template, my profession, my tools. I mean it when I say I have adjusted and adapted to every single environmental change, skills based or abilities based change, weapon change, damage change, accuracy change, state change, food change, buff change, support equipment change that has ever been forced on me. And I do this rarely (outside of the big CU change) with complaint. I'm stalwart and tough - I don't give up.
But this is thing is a showstopper a game ender between Jedi and BH. I will not waste my time accusing specific characters in this forum but I have subjected myself for the benefit of my continuance in this game over and over in the last 2 weeks following publication 20 in an attempt to withdrawl any scrap of information from logs, marks, neighbors, spatial comments - anything to put my finger on the problem. Everything I've learned and everything I've found I have reported clearly and concisely. I reported via CSR channels and via in-game /bug feature, without results. The most recent response from CSR was "can you help me replicate this issue". Well I'd love to help but I've given all the information I currently have on the subject, i'm stuck. So I'm taking this issue to the people. I believe here I may get results.
CASES:
For me the issue has occured in 10 out of the last 15 battles. I will state for the record this bug could be self inflicted (IE occur because of the way I try to perform a KD recovery or a heal or due to what is targeted at the time that I do a heal or KD recovery), it could be due to an exploit (not to be accusitory because again I simply am exploring all options). It's also possible that the new TEF changes have some bearing.
MY ROUTINE:
My template is mp/mbh/0400cm. I try to KD, Disarm2 (although the daze effect of this was nerfed in 20, so I skip this step now), AdvCrit,Body,Torso, then root and follow with my DOT attacks (assuming the battle has lasted this long). In 3 cases the very first attack from the jedi that lands on me is the Adv Saber Toss which immediately puts me on my back with the now infamous error message in the combat log (white text that reads either [cbt_spam_unknown] or [cbt_spam_kd]. For the record, I adjust the order and type of my attacks based on numerous circumstances including whether I use bomb droid or what state I find the jedi in (surprise is our best attack).
ACTION ITEMS:
Has anyone else seen this behavior? Is there anyone who just flat out knows the reason (IE they heard about the "exploit", if it is one) who is willing to step foreward and lay it on the table? Please help save BH.
FarSuperior
Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:21 pm
#4
ive never seen such a bug in game... but this sounds pretty serious
i hope it gets some attention before people hate us even more... for somthing we cant help 
Decimater45
Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:14 pm
#5
FREEKiller wrote:
No one else has had this happen to them?
its to long and im tired
raldurrm
Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:19 pm
#6
"or you actually have to target the jedi when you shoot"
Are you saying you don't target them... cause that would do it
Are you saying you don't target them... cause that would do it
NoStyleGuy
Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:28 pm
#7
i've never encountered this but i have had the message "cannot KD recovery while KD" which ends in similar fashion. also i know in some circumstances Lag has had its toll on me. Say 15 seconds without attacking? nothing like what u've described though.
HyprHypo
Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:45 pm
#8
This has happened once. I said "I cant attack" while i was running around and the Jedi was dealing dmg to me. His buddies were saying I suck and the Jedi was talking all kinds of smack. what fun.
Cnotiog
Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:58 am
#10
I've had periods of time where this has happened. Not nearlly as long as you've expirienced though. I've also had periods of time where I can attack but not use bacta shot.I seem to get something like this about 1 in 5 long fights. I believe this kind of behaviour is a bug which is possibly caused by lag. Are you based outside America and have you checked what your ping is in-game? This seems to happen a lot less to people with low pings. This may be an exaggereated case of what I and other people (most commonly with higher pings) seem to be expiriencing or something new. If it is the same thing, it is not an exploit andthe bug appears to be caused by trying to execute actions when you havent performed previous actionspossibly because of a ping spike or something. This seems to 'confuse' the game and stop you from performing certain actions for a period of time. And has there generally been quite a bit of lag around when you have had this happen to you? I don't think i've encountered this bug once in a fight with very low lag.
And just to state times, I've had this happen to me for over a minute but not more than three. But when this occurs i've been killed quite a lot before it 'fixed' itself so can't be sure how long it may have gone on in these cases.
Message Edited by Cnotiog on 08-02-2005 05:02 AM
Wimpanzee
Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:19 am
#11
are you sure you have recieved no duel requests from the jedi's partners?
i know your mark cannot duel you, but maybe his buddies?
also, most of the weird stuff usually happens to me during lag spikes or in high traffic areas where latency increases beyond a tolerable level.
i know your mark cannot duel you, but maybe his buddies?
also, most of the weird stuff usually happens to me during lag spikes or in high traffic areas where latency increases beyond a tolerable level.
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Grimjakk
Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:01 am
#12
Do you have any macros running in the background... I've heard of them "stealing" rounds from you if the timing is too tight.
I usually run a recursive targetter, but only at 5 sec intervals.
AzumaSpike
Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:21 am
#13
I have a ping of 40-56 on Bloodfin and this happens to me. No macros are running with BH (I haven't found duelist stance to be of much help against Jedi). I'll have the jedi targeted and I'll get can't see target on occasion (mind you this is in the middle of the desert on Tatooine and I couldn't forsee any LOS issues there.)
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