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Thread: Question on Fighting 200k and up Marks
RebMBH wrote:
Last night i decided to duel a jedi in my guild his template is MLS Def 0404 and the rest in healing and enhancer. I am a MBH MR and CM 4000, I have a heavy lightning rifle with max damage of 1100 and 40 elemental. We dueled for about 10 min until he incapped me. Afterwards i looked at the combat log to see that I never hit him for more than 200 damage per hit while his LS with max damage of 700 was hitting me for 800-1000 at a time. I am not crying nerf just want to know what I am mission here. I have recon armor with about 3000 energy resist and 7000 kinetic resist.
you mean 7000 energy i assume. First, he kept your armour broken, had aura and infusion running along with force speed. be glad you went 10 minutes.
RebMBH wrote:
Last night i decided to duel a jedi in my guild his template is MLS Def 0404 and the rest in healing and enhancer. I am a MBH MR and CM 4000, I have a heavy lightning rifle with max damage of 1100 and 40 elemental. We dueled for about 10 min until he incapped me. Afterwards i looked at the combat log to see that I never hit him for more than 200 damage per hit while his LS with max damage of 700 was hitting me for 800-1000 at a time. I am not crying nerf just want to know what I am mission here. I have recon armor with about 3000 energy resist and 7000 kinetic resist.
Your numbers are off.
Recon numbers looked reversed, but if that's the case, you need better armor regardless. 75% break reduction sliced helps a lot, but you should be close to 8k energy for fighting anyone with MLS.
You're reporting the damage he takes after all mitigation. That's fine. I have a 4440 Defender Jedi, so I can kind of see when the numbers are off. He's either using a PSG, mitigation food, he had force armor, you're using ranged shot or some other weak attack, or most likely a combination of those.
You're reporting the damage you take before armor and mitigation. To hit your template for 1k damage before armor mitigation, it takes a saber that's roughly 680ish damage with Bane's/Sunriders using Head/Body/Leg Hit. With 7k recon, you'd be absorbing a little over half that. With armor break, you might be taking 800 dmg max. But you have access to the same mitigation foods that everyone elsecan take. They aren't as great as they used to be, but they still make a huge difference, and can turn the tide of a fight.
If you want to report damage, report both players before mitigation, or after. With what you posted, I can't really tell what was going on. I just see another post complaining about how BH's can't kill a high level Jedi. I'm your same template, and I killed a handful of Jedi last night ranging from 195-226k.
The best thing you can do, is to keep dueling him. But you have to figure out why he's taking so little damage, why you're taking so much, and fix it. Ask him what foods he took, what skills he's using (force armor probably), etc... I just see random numbers here, I can't tell you for sure what was going on.
Good huntning!
Arxy
Shadow2k wrote:
RebMBH wrote:
Last night i decided to duel a jedi in my guild his template is MLS Def 0404 and the rest in healing and enhancer. I am a MBH MR and CM 4000, I have a heavy lightning rifle with max damage of 1100 and 40 elemental. We dueled for about 10 min until he incapped me. Afterwards i looked at the combat log to see that I never hit him for more than 200 damage per hit while his LS with max damage of 700 was hitting me for 800-1000 at a time. I am not crying nerf just want to know what I am mission here. I have recon armor with about 3000 energy resist and 7000 kinetic resist.
Your numbers are off.
Recon numbers looked reversed, but if that's the case, you need better armor regardless. 75% break reduction sliced helps a lot, but you should be close to 8k energy for fighting anyone with MLS.
You're reporting the damage he takes after all mitigation. That's fine. I have a 4440 Defender Jedi, so I can kind of see when the numbers are off. He's either using a PSG, mitigation food, he had force armor, you're using ranged shot or some other weak attack, or most likely a combination of those.
You're reporting the damage you take before armor and mitigation. To hit your template for 1k damage before armor mitigation, it takes a saber that's roughly 680ish damage with Bane's/Sunriders using Head/Body/Leg Hit. With 7k recon, you'd be absorbing a little over half that. With armor break, you might be taking 800 dmg max. But you have access to the same mitigation foods that everyone elsecan take. They aren't as great as they used to be, but they still make a huge difference, and can turn the tide of a fight.
If you want to report damage, report both players before mitigation, or after. With what you posted, I can't really tell what was going on. I just see another post complaining about how BH's can't kill a high level Jedi. I'm your same template, and I killed a handful of Jedi last night ranging from 195-226k.
The best thing you can do, is to keep dueling him. But you have to figure out why he's taking so little damage, why you're taking so much, and fix it. Ask him what foods he took, what skills he's using (force armor probably), etc... I just see random numbers here, I can't tell you for sure what was going on.
i have 8.5K energy armor, and i get hit for 1200+ while KD'd and armor broke, hell, i've been hit for 800 without armor break applied. Saber damage varies wildly, some with post-cu sabers can't do better than 500. And a competent jedi with 0/0/4/0 defender isn't going to lose a duel to your template, with decent defensive foods stacked with his innate defenses, plus force aura, you won't be able to cause any loss of force do to damage, the best you can do is stalemate.
RebMBH wrote:
We dueled for about 10 min until he incapped me.
at the start of the duel, the full template jedi definitely has the upperhand, i dont care what anybody says. however as the fight progresses into the 15-20 minute range (providing you are hitting him and not just run/heal) they get dangerously low on force. no force, no force aura, no force run, no healing. At which point they're dust.
so in my experience with jedi nobody seems to wanna fight... you're right on track.
a lot of really helpful suggestions in this thread from others for myself as well, im having trouble sustaining myself long enough with some of these jedi's hitting frickin hard its difficult. Thanks guys.
Arxy wrote:
Like the previous poster stated he used armor break on you and that negates your armor nicely. The damage you state is in line IMHO and did he have a PSG, not that it would matter if you fought for 10 minutes. I actually hit a mark the other night that was hitting me for 2k+, which i assume was due to the bug that is running around on the forums. Yes i have great armor (triple layered with kryat ect ect made it with my alt) best food ect, and im no newb in terms of fighting jedi, so i assume it was this feature that was reintroduced. Anyway, If you cant get distance between you and a MLS (assuming thaey have a decent saber) its going to hurt ALOT.
AxilX wrote:
i have 8.5K energy armor, and i get hit for 1200+ while KD'd and armor broke, hell, i've been hit for 800 without armor break applied. Saber damage varies wildly, some with post-cu sabers can't do better than 500. And a competent jedi with 0/0/4/0 defender isn't going to lose a duel to your template, with decent defensive foods stacked with his innate defenses, plus force aura, you won't be able to cause any loss of force do to damage, the best you can do is stalemate.
8.5k energy armor? Recon caps at 7k unlayered. Perfect 100 energy layers would add 1200 tops. You can't slice resists on armor. So 8.5k is physically impossible to craft in this game.
And you know I have a Jedi. Where do you think I get these numbers from. I test this stuff. I just tested this last night. With my MLS Jedi with a 681dmg saber and Bane's Heart hitting Shadow, I hit for 997 before any armor/mitigations using leghit, the most powerful Jedi attack (along with body/head) without a warmup timer. I have fairly high defenses, had no food in me, no duelist stance up, etc...just standing there LD because it's the same account.
The only way 800-1000 holds true is if he had armor break on him the entire time, with no armor break slices, and never got off his butt from being kd'd. Yes, technically it could happen. Technically I can two shot a Jedi, and smugglers can one shot the. But I'm talking about actual situations that would occur during a fight like this, not worst case scenarios...because those are inaccurate, and just lead to people believing crap that isn't true.
0040 Defender is not enough Axil. You can argue with me all you want, but that only gives them 30 innate armor, which is like 28.5% resists. Aura does not make that much of a difference in damage taken, and I don't miss all that often. I can and do cause enough damage for some of these guys to run out of mind before they run out of force. And I've made many of them run from me. Wed night I killed2 former Knights with Aura. I killed one would be Knight with Aura. I dueled 3 othersand incapped all three that were around 200k on the terms, one of them a former Knight, all with Aura. One would be Knight with Defender ran from me. One former Knight with Aura ran from me twice in Theed (weren't you there for this? maybe not), and then I followed him to MOD Island and made him run into the cantina (exploit) five seperate times within an hour. These are all solo hunts, in one night.
So yeah, Aura is not going to save any Jedi from me. Believe me man, I know whathis template can do, and I have a MLS/4440 Defender/3002 Enh/4000 Healer Jedi that I've tested all of this crap out on. I've killed former Knights, would be Knights,MDefenders, and all the rest. The only ones that consistently get away are the ones with FR3, or cloak. And sometimes I get them too...I just wish I had a root.