Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Plea from the Creature Handlers
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NancyJ
Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:13 pm
#1
You might have a better response if you tried contacting a BE privately and ordering a custom pet - its not like we can churn them out in a factory 
Message Edited by NancyJ on 06-13-2004 03:18 PM
dulee
Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:51 pm
#2
There is a list of bioengineers by server stickied at the top of this forum. That's probably a good place to start.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bio-engineer&message.id=70892
Ragemaster9999
Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:04 am
#3
Hello bio engineers. I noticed alot of Bio engineers lately have been very upset due to lack of demand for BEpets, and I am curiouse as to why this is-- yes I am a master CH and I realise that BE pets are better than wild ones, however, the problem is actully finding a BE merchant who has pets deedsin stock. I have searched far and wide for good BE pets, and I have about 12 of them, I want to buy more, but finding them is hard as heck. And, not knowing "whats a fair price" for deed A is really steering upcoming CHs from BE pet deeds. Also,some of mybest BE'ed pets werefoundin unknown BE shops, ones not listed on global map. I believe that we shouldtry and get some kind of database together so we can fix the number one problem between our two professions -- hooking up together
Centurion
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:08 am
#4
We get no vendors as BEs so we either have to master one of the artisan lines or merchant in order to get our own vendors. Or have an alt who has done this. But NancyJ's thread of BE vendors is a good place to start looking.
Akelan
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:50 am
#5
Two things in return to ask: Patience, and forethought.
I think the single most difficult thing to deal with in making custom pets is the "are we there yet" tells from the CH waiting for the pets. Making a very specific pet is not a trivial process, when you are trying to get level, specials and stats all to a customer's requirements. VERY few of the CH customers I have had have a clue as to how complex a process this is, and how long it takes to get something exactly the way we want. Even the most experienced bio-engineer will have difficulty getting cripple and poison, at level 23, with armor, 60% Kinetic, 350 damage and making it the color you want.
Offering to help is nice of you, but there is simply nothing a non-BE can do to gather the DNA we need. Rangers and scouts can help find things we need to sample, which does help, but they need to clear out as far as possible when we begin sampling aggressives, as the difficulty of avoiding aggro is more than doubled by the presence of another person when we are sneaking close to a rancor lair, for example. The amount of meat and flora for most things is trivial, though we may need to make multiple attempts to get it to where you want it. It's nice to help provide it, but it is not too much of a boost, to be honest.
So, knowing we will need time, please do not expect the pet to drop out of the sky ten minutes later. I would hate to tell you how many CH players have gracefully agreed to wait, and sat down in my lab to do so... Even for a well stocked BE lab, the right things take time to gather. We understand you want the pet to use as soon as you can. It generally comes down to a choice of the right pet when we can make it, or something close, soon but probably not right away unless it is on the vendor.
Oh, and since almost none of us can afford the points to run our own vendors, chances are VERY good that we do not have a clue which ones are still on the vendor, much less what their stats are. We'll be more than happy to send you the WP to go and look, but we are not likely to know unless we happen to be in our shop at the time.
Secondly, know a bit about what you want, and discuss it with the BE to make sure you both are on the same page. I have had people ask for a rancor with X stats and such, only to find out they are a non-CH. Not only that, but EVERYONE seems to know someone that has one.( I will state right now that I will not at all be offended if you decide to go to the BE that made that pet for the friend of the former girlfriend of the former guildmate's brother that had it. They won't be able to make it any more either, but they will be better able to tell you why. There are some bugged pets in game, and they are no longer replicable, so no amount of telling us they exist willhelp. Forgive me if this sounds harsh, but it is awfully common.
There are some bugged pets in game, and they are no longer replicable, so no amount of telling us they exist willhelp. Forgive me if this sounds harsh, but it is awfully common.Most BE's enjoy making petsfor people that want them and know something about what they need and want to use it for; you'll find talking with the BEwill generally help you get the best pet you can, and help the BE understand what's important to you in the pet.
Lastly, follow the request up with an email, detailing the pet you've agreed on with the BE, so they will know who it is for and what specifics it needs. We may talk to a dozen people in a day about different pets; and while it is easy for you to remember the one you want, it may get drown out in the general discussions for the BE, so the more you can help make it clear, the better.
Working with us is the best way to get the best pets. I love making good pets for a CH that knows what they want and works with me to get it made. These are just some tips on how to make the most of that process, and the results, at least from me, and generally very much worth it.
LLan Farseeker - Chilastra
ArthurDentOnBria
Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:07 am
#6
Afew things. First, the "empty vendor" syndrome isin no way specific to bio-engineers. You'll face the same thing shopping for a harvester, a gun, a suit of armor, or clothing.
Second, unlike all the other crafters, we do not have artisan as a pre-requisit, so to gain the ability to a) have a vendor, and b) have it on the global map would require an expenditure of 49 additional skill points and that just isn't possible for most BE's.
Third, although making pets is fun and a unique crafting experience in swg, there's no doubt at all that it bears the smallest reward/effort ratio of all the things that BE's can craft, and so what that means is that there are an awful lot of BE's who just aren't motivated to do it.
If I was a CH in search of a bio engineered pet, what I would probably do is take a look around the BE forum (silently), note down some shop waypoints, check them out, and then contact them in-game if I liked their work. Either that or just ask for referrals everytime you run across a CH who has a good pet out in the battlefield. Just randomly searching BE shops though is probably a really poor approach.
Ragemaster9999 wrote:
Hello bio engineers. I noticed alot of Bio engineers lately have been very upset due to lack of demand for BEpets, and I am curiouse as to why this is-- yes I am a master CH and I realise that BE pets are better than wild ones, however, the problem is actully finding a BE merchant who has pets deedsin stock. I have searched far and wide for good BE pets, and I have about 12 of them, I want to buy more, but finding them is hard as heck. And, not knowing "whats a fair price" for deed A is really steering upcoming CHs from BE pet deeds. Also,some of mybest BE'ed pets werefoundin unknown BE shops, ones not listed on global map. I believe that we shouldtry and get some kind of database together so we can fix the number one problem between our two professions -- hooking up together
Seraphym14
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:32 am
#7
Ask other MCH's on your server who they get their pets from. Ask them to ask in their /guildchat.
I pay for an extra account to have a vendor and I keep it stocked with a variety of pets (all levels). I am talking 180-200 pets, very, very clearly labeled so you don't have to display each to find the range you are looking for. Two or three guilds on my server are die-hard clients of my pets - so word of mouth won't be that hard for you to look into.
A few words of advice, tho.
1. Not every BE is willing to do special orders. I don't. Psst 180 freaking pets, if a person can't find what they are seeking it's either unmakeable, nerfable or would take more than 2 weeks of complete research.
2. Keep in mind that your 60+ to all resists, 12K to all HAMs in a CL12 (with lt. armor in a soft teal with gold fingernails) request might not be considered.
3. Trying to bride, con or otherwise "well, I thought you were a master" route is beyond insulting.
I pay for an extra account to have a vendor and I keep it stocked with a variety of pets (all levels). I am talking 180-200 pets, very, very clearly labeled so you don't have to display each to find the range you are looking for. Two or three guilds on my server are die-hard clients of my pets - so word of mouth won't be that hard for you to look into.
A few words of advice, tho.
1. Not every BE is willing to do special orders. I don't. Psst 180 freaking pets, if a person can't find what they are seeking it's either unmakeable, nerfable or would take more than 2 weeks of complete research.
2. Keep in mind that your 60+ to all resists, 12K to all HAMs in a CL12 (with lt. armor in a soft teal with gold fingernails) request might not be considered.
3. Trying to bride, con or otherwise "well, I thought you were a master" route is beyond insulting.
joined42904
Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:51 am
#8
Is color something difficult? All the other crafts just pick color as an afterthought (at least the ones I have tried). Is this something that adds difficulty to a BE pet creation process? If so I might think of withdrawing my color requests.
Shev
Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:15 pm
#9
Seraphym14 wrote:
If you find a BE with a well stocked vendor, you'll likely find more than a few similar pet skins in the same colors - normally because a BE is trying to make a special order pet to match customer requested stats and the only time we see the final stats is after we drop the template into the pet skin (irreversible process).
I know exactly what you mean with that hehe - i've got about 1001 gurrecks from my twin attempts for a guildmate, all between CL 20 and CL 45!
Seraphym14
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:17 am
#10
Is color something difficult? All the other crafts just pick color as an afterthought (at least the ones I have tried). Is this something that adds difficulty to a BE pet creation process? If so I might think of withdrawing my color requests.
It depends. You would be helping the BE if you asked if they had a consistant recipe for the range of pet you are looking for. If they have one, then ask for a color range and keep in mind that your version of the color has a good chance of being different than what colors are available for that skin. Each pet skin has a slightly different range of colors and some show up better (gurrecks, banthas) than others (anglers, mereks, klicnicks).
If you find a BE with a well stocked vendor, you'll likely find more than a few similar pet skins in the same colors - normally because a BE is trying to make a special order pet to match customer requested stats and the only time we see the final stats is after we drop the template into the pet skin (irreversible process).
It depends. You would be helping the BE if you asked if they had a consistant recipe for the range of pet you are looking for. If they have one, then ask for a color range and keep in mind that your version of the color has a good chance of being different than what colors are available for that skin. Each pet skin has a slightly different range of colors and some show up better (gurrecks, banthas) than others (anglers, mereks, klicnicks).
If you find a BE with a well stocked vendor, you'll likely find more than a few similar pet skins in the same colors - normally because a BE is trying to make a special order pet to match customer requested stats and the only time we see the final stats is after we drop the template into the pet skin (irreversible process).
NancyJ
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:57 am
#11
joined42904 wrote:Is color something difficult? All the other crafts just pick color as an afterthought (at least the ones I have tried). Is this something that adds difficulty to a BE pet creation process? If so I might think of withdrawing my color requests.
Its not difficult if you're familiar with the colour options available for the skin and can express your choice eloquently - its only a problem when a customer is uninformed of the choices available and asks for something we cant make. Since we cant show you the colour palette, it helps to have an idea of what colours are available before asking.
Centurion
Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:00 am
#12
Arthur has some good points (as does Akelan) but I would also add look around your galaxy's trade forums for BEs selling tissues. If you ask nice and they have recipes stockpiled you might get one of them to make you a pet. I know I dabble in pets but most of my cash comes from selling full factory runs of food tissues.
Also check out http://bioengineer.talthazar.com/clone_list.htm for the possible colors for most of the skins.
Also check out http://bioengineer.talthazar.com/clone_list.htm for the possible colors for most of the skins.
joined42904
Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:36 pm
#13
If I've asked for "white cats" is that vague or hard? I see the white color in the cat templates, but I don't know what the result produced is. Some folks have said it's like "washing out" some of the color...these are learned BEs. I'm just a guy who wants white or somewhat grayish off-white cats. And I saw a beautiful whitish gurrcat on Dant the other day so I hope it's possible to do this.
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