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Thread: almost pure speculation

glaukos27
Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:10 am
#1


ok, tell me if this makes any sense or not...


what i noticed (and thisprobly sounds crackpotloony) is that the statistics on the dna samples have correlations totheir resists or perhaps special attacks for that matter that limit the probability of possibility for a given cloning project... i dont mean the mathematics of the combine but the variation of multiple traits of a particular creature/sample. the notion that resists are linked withcharacteristics is what im talkin about in particular, but in a larger vaguer sense it seems to me that if theres a method for putting together dna as the creator of a new and novel clone, there neccessarily must be a method for putting together the origins of clone


theres afairly concrete algorithmof how dna combines, it follows that there would be one for naturally ocurring creatures as well



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Mereset
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:57 pm
#2

gizy wigy what?

that make no sense to me... let me get some painkillers and i try to read this again
Aleskander
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:59 pm
#3






Mereset wrote:
gizy wigy what?

that make no sense to me... let me get some painkillers and i try to read this again





I'm glad it didn't make sense to you...I was afraid to be the first to say it



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droid327
Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:25 am
#4






glaukos27 wrote:


ok, tell me if this makes any sense or not...no


what i noticed (and thisprobly sounds crackpotloony) yesis that the statistics on the dna samples have correlations totheir resists or perhaps special attacks for that matter that limit the probability of possibility for a given cloning project...no thats generallydead wrong, specials are linked to DNA quality and slot, and only effective resists are affected by stats, and only by one: fortitude. The other stats control HAM, damage, and to-hit/speedi dont mean the mathematics of the combine but the variation of multiple traits of a particular creature/sample. the notion that resists are linked withcharacteristics is what im talkin about in particular, but in a larger vaguer sense it seems to me that if theres a method for putting together dna as the creator of a new and novel clone, there neccessarily must be a method for putting together the origins of clone again, no...the "mathematics of the combine" are all there is. There's no esoteric, organic function here controlling anything in vague and unpredictable ways. If you're just talking about figuring out what went into a pet from its stats, then you can generally get a good idea, yes, especially since there are some common formulas that have a characteristic signature, such as high kin and blast resists on a CL10 pet probably coming from the Talus-set MH combine.


theres afairly concrete algorithmof how dna combines, it follows that there would be one for naturally ocurring creatures as well wild creatures' stats are programmed directly by the devs into the creature database. In the CU, their HAM is scaled by their CL, in live its random within a given range.


I really dont get what your overall point is, here, though...









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glaukos27
Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:37 am
#5

lol, im glad to hear it makes no sense im just as baffled


theres no point really...is just speculative and observational


sorry about the confusion...let me emphasize that i dont speakof the cloning process cuz the mechanics of it are pretty straightforwardeven thothe process isstill pretty unclear (thats for another thread maybe); my statement was rather jumbled... im only beginning to get seriously interested in the pet creation portion of BE, these are a couple of things i start to ask myself after sampling and cloning and experimenting, food for thought if you will


whatprinciple dictates the limitsintrinsic in wild type dna regarding relationships of different stats, etc and if there are no limits then why and how there can be no limits

how the dna cloning process subjects these limits to appear in the final clone, in particular the ratio of stats to creature level

how different combinations of dnaare able to circumvent these limits

why devshave chosenthe stats they did for dna samples, (aka *esoteric* organic functions) and if its important

and, i guess to a lesser degree, how or if the combat upgrade will affect the profession for better or worse


anyways, i havent really taken the time to think about how to answer these questions or even examine their validity... but i dont think the mathematics of the combine are all there is,i hope theres a derivative and i dont mean a vague unpredictable derivative although that doesnt seem out of the question



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glaukos27
Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:12 am
#6

dude, im not hurting my brain... these are questionsevolutionarybiologersgenerally ask



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EKIMMIT
Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:20 am
#7

Bio-Engineer, not

Evolutionary Biologers.


you seem to have goten the letters mixed up.


I amsomeone thatlives in a small college towne, and that converses with local college proffesors on a regular basis.

Man you sound like your on your way to being a college proffesor. Your two "main point" post were writen in text book acadaemia fassion. Every thought put forth is so vauge and ambigous that it is almost impossible to pin down a precise assertion.
droid327
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:41 pm
#8

Dont hurt your brain. CU is likely to change everything from the ground up.



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PlainWhiteSocks
Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:35 pm
#9


glaukos27 wrote:
lol, im glad to hear it makes no sense im just as baffled
theres no point really...is just speculative and observational
sorry about the confusion ...let me emphasize that i dont speak of the cloning process cuz the mechanics of it are pretty straightforward even tho the process is still pretty unclear (thats for another thread maybe); my statement was rather jumbled... im only beginning to get seriously interested in the pet creation portion of BE, these are a couple of things i start to ask myself after sampling and cloning and experimenting, food for thought if you will
what principle dictates the limits intrinsic in wild type dna regarding relationships of different stats, etc and if there are no limits then why and how there can be no limits
There are limits. The limits are a set range for each creture. Wheather the people who input the range did it by formula or by arbitrary choice remains to be reveled. That stats for the individual creature are chosen (I suspect by the client) when the creature spawns and are within that given range.

how the dna cloning process subjects these limits to appear in the final clone, in particular the ratio of stats to creature level
The limits have very little to do with the ratio of stats to creature level. They simply dictate what is possible within any given combine.

how different combinations of dna are able to circumvent these limits
They don't. There exists some strangeness in final products which comes from the weighting of each slot to the final stats. This can give the appearance that the limits have been exceeded.

why devs have chosen the stats they did for dna samples, (aka *esoteric* organic functions) and if its important
The function used could have been as simple as x creature has a base of y in a given stat then the client choses the add or subtract from that value. Many many many possiblities are available given the current ranges in each creature. They are only important in having higher or lower stats in a final combine.

and, i guess to a lesser degree, how or if the combat upgrade will affect the profession for better or worse
Your guess is as good as anyone elses.

anyways, i havent really taken the time to think about how to answer these questions or even examine their validity... but i dont think the mathematics of the combine are all there is, i hope theres a derivative and i dont mean a vague unpredictable derivative although that doesnt seem out of the question




There would have to be some limiting ratio in the combine. If there wasn't then there would be no recipes that would produce consistant results. I don't think it's related to the stat limits directly. Most likely it's much simpler than most people think.



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glaukos27
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:47 am
#10

yeah, thats probably true... achtungs razor


seems to me thatdnahas inherently arbitrary characteristics which doesnt make sense to mebutfor the combine into a templateits an advantage for maximizing and isolating stats


anyways

the mysteryofcreature level is intriguing



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