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Thread: Ancient Bull Rancor, can it be sampled?
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Krosc
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:39 am
#1
What are the odds of sampling lvl 98ancient bull rancor? I spent over an hour trying to sample one. I spent alot of time running away, but got a total of 14 tries for a sample. I actually got 5 tries in a rowone time before it agroed. Everytry failed. Thats ludicrous odds. If your are going to risk your life in the midst of 30 red mobs all close enough to break mask scent, to sample something that breaks it19 times out of 20 as you approach, you shouldhave a reasonable chance of getting a sample, at least 20-25%. I mean really, if your close enough touch thething, how hard is it really to sample its DNA.
ArthurDentOnBria
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:47 am
#2
no one has ever reportedly sampled anything above CL 75 (mutant rancor). Most people think that is the cap. But if you consider that you probably have about a 50% chance of getting a sample from a CL 60 creature (bark mite burrower queen) and the odds drop to probably 10%-20% on a CL 75 creature (mutant rancor), then if it were possible to sample something that is nearly CL 100, you'd expect the odds to be 1%-5%. Suddenly 14 failures in a row doesn't seem like a lot.
I'm impressed that you were able to attempt it 14 times though, you must have some evil cammo ability.
lammergeier
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:55 am
#3
the short answer is: no, they can't be sampled. nothing over CL75 (to my knowledge) has been successfully sampled since the profession was recoded.
the long answer: yes, they can be sampled. you'd need a time machine, or a broken server, to do it. also, you'd have to make sacrifices to dark powers and stuff. it's a bad idea, overall.
the long answer: yes, they can be sampled. you'd need a time machine, or a broken server, to do it. also, you'd have to make sacrifices to dark powers and stuff. it's a bad idea, overall.
Message Edited by lammergeier on 10-26-2004 01:55 PM
Krosc
Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:40 pm
#4
Well, that a kick in the pants. I really thought we had a chance at sampling anything we could get close enough to without it killing us. I was so proud I was able to actually get up to it with my mask scent in tact, and all that work was for naught.
By the way, whoever said you cant get up close to high level critters without camo and high mask scent bonus is wrong. I am master scout with only lvl 3 in tracking lineof ranger. I have +5 to mask scent in shoulderpads and had no other bonuses and was able to get close enough to try and sample it several times. Fortunately though they seem to give up the chase quickly and dont always come after you the second they smell you.
Magic_wookiee
Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:14 pm
#5
I get up to rancors with exploration 4 only. 1 of 5 it breaks =)
FOCKSTA
Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:15 am
#6
Hi I used to be a BE and am thinking of going back to it, I was BE awhile, and by far it was the funnest profession for me
I spent most of my time making high end pets, Ive made quite a few level 70 pets, infact i got it down to a science cause thats what all i used to do, sampling a ancient bull rancor may be possible, ive never done it, like everyone said the highest anyone has ever heard of is level 75, but even if you could sample it, you might only get 1 sample out of like 500 trys or something, which is not worth the time, and if you do get a sample you have to figure out what other samples to mix it with for you may make a pet over level 70 which is worthless, ive used so many mutant rancor samples for nothing ending up with pets over level 70
what i have found is dont even bother with mutant rancors either, for level 70 pets, i always used all bull rancor dna, and most of the time you cant use all your experimentation points for you will go over level 70
so to answer your question, yes you may be able to sample it, but what are you gonna do with it
GMANHNC
Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:31 pm
#7
It's like chasing your tail, it's exciting while it lasts, but in the end you accomplish nothing. If you want a real challange try sampling Krayt! Now that is some good DNA!
Bendi_James
Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:14 pm
#8
I'm impressed that you were able to attempt it 14 times though, you must have some evil cammo ability.
ROFL.....
/milk squirt from nose
/laugh
/cough
/clean up mess
lammergeier
Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:19 pm
#9
since this thread seems to have generated some speculation, I'll fess up:
due to a nasty bug, I was able to take a few samples from CL75+.
I gave 5 VHQ ancient bull rancor samples to NancyJ.
I put one in the cantina.
I gave one to a museum.
I tried using the others... from a CL98 donor, I was able to get AR2 on a CL86 with a few tries. multigenerational sampling is out of the question. since I ran out of samples, that's the lowest I've been able to make, clone-wise, from a bug in the CL system. this same legacy DNA made a CL128 clone (purestrain):
CL128
20225/18430/20674
AR2
k 50%
e 60%
blast/acid/stun 14%
heat/cold/elec 100%
900-910 @ 1.99/0.94 dmg
I don't have the DNA stats on-hand right now, but basically... 1000 per stat, with a few dips. I used up my stock of this DNA, excepting the cantina showpiece. NancyJ may still have hers (it was a birthday present), and I'm pretty sure the museum will have theirs on display.
fortitude of 1000+ will stick AR2, just as 500+ sticks AR1.
dmg seems to be capped on this purestrain... since it was OVER 100% experimental success, and over 1000 on the aggression and psych stats.
as much as we've discussed/disputed the DNA sampling cap... I can say that 15 samples from the CL86 clone did nothing but poof the deed. any testing of the sampling cap should probably be done with CL76 'over-clones' to confirm or deny the cap of CL75, since wild creatures jump from CL75 to CL90 or so.
I wish I had a continuing supply of this DNA to prove whether a CL<70 clone could stick AR2 (and more), but since it was a short-lived bug (and an exploit, had I been using it for anything but data and display), it's nothing more than an isolated datapoint that is unlikely to see a repeat.
due to a nasty bug, I was able to take a few samples from CL75+.
I gave 5 VHQ ancient bull rancor samples to NancyJ.
I put one in the cantina.
I gave one to a museum.
I tried using the others... from a CL98 donor, I was able to get AR2 on a CL86 with a few tries. multigenerational sampling is out of the question. since I ran out of samples, that's the lowest I've been able to make, clone-wise, from a bug in the CL system. this same legacy DNA made a CL128 clone (purestrain):
CL128
20225/18430/20674
AR2
k 50%
e 60%
blast/acid/stun 14%
heat/cold/elec 100%
900-910 @ 1.99/0.94 dmg
I don't have the DNA stats on-hand right now, but basically... 1000 per stat, with a few dips. I used up my stock of this DNA, excepting the cantina showpiece. NancyJ may still have hers (it was a birthday present), and I'm pretty sure the museum will have theirs on display.
fortitude of 1000+ will stick AR2, just as 500+ sticks AR1.
dmg seems to be capped on this purestrain... since it was OVER 100% experimental success, and over 1000 on the aggression and psych stats.
as much as we've discussed/disputed the DNA sampling cap... I can say that 15 samples from the CL86 clone did nothing but poof the deed. any testing of the sampling cap should probably be done with CL76 'over-clones' to confirm or deny the cap of CL75, since wild creatures jump from CL75 to CL90 or so.
I wish I had a continuing supply of this DNA to prove whether a CL<70 clone could stick AR2 (and more), but since it was a short-lived bug (and an exploit, had I been using it for anything but data and display), it's nothing more than an isolated datapoint that is unlikely to see a repeat.
lammergeier
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:24 pm
#10
let me also say:
clone CL is based on stats.
I base THAT assertion on the following data:
the CL bug that allowed for the sampling was also present on the frog-laden TC-Bria that was running concurrently with TC. ALL mobs (NPC and creature) were CL 0. xp for kills was AT MOST 1. loot was all based on CL0 loot tables. however, all crafted BioE clones were normal. that's not the point, though... any CRAFTED item would retain the stats it was crafted with.
the point is this:
other BioE's (mostly TC-Bria folk who took the profession to check DNA) went to Lok. some went to tat. seven hours produced ZERO krayts on tat. the Lok folks, however, found kimos... and some giant dune kimos, if I remember correctly.
stats on DNA cap at 1000. the kimos, many of which were OVER CL98, produced CL128 clones in purestrain, experimented crafting. similarly, the CL98 DNA (from ancient bull rancors) produced the SAME CL128 from experiments on purestrain DNA...
so... if CL128 is the 'crafting system' level of 1000+ stats (the DNA might have been capped, but assembly allowed for more than 1000, even if experimentation was impossible over 100%)... and if the cap on DNA is 1000... then it follows that a CL300+ donor will still make a CL128 (or less) clone.
so... I offer the assertion: clone CL is based on stats, rather than donor CL.
if the 'true' CL rating of a critter is something you want to check (for whatever reason)... and the 'listed' CL is <75... make a purestrain without experimentation, and knock a few CL off for assembly. might be a good way to check the CRAFTING CL against the 'invented' and somewhat arbitrary CL of creatures.
clone CL is based on stats.
I base THAT assertion on the following data:
the CL bug that allowed for the sampling was also present on the frog-laden TC-Bria that was running concurrently with TC. ALL mobs (NPC and creature) were CL 0. xp for kills was AT MOST 1. loot was all based on CL0 loot tables. however, all crafted BioE clones were normal. that's not the point, though... any CRAFTED item would retain the stats it was crafted with.
the point is this:
other BioE's (mostly TC-Bria folk who took the profession to check DNA) went to Lok. some went to tat. seven hours produced ZERO krayts on tat. the Lok folks, however, found kimos... and some giant dune kimos, if I remember correctly.
stats on DNA cap at 1000. the kimos, many of which were OVER CL98, produced CL128 clones in purestrain, experimented crafting. similarly, the CL98 DNA (from ancient bull rancors) produced the SAME CL128 from experiments on purestrain DNA...
so... if CL128 is the 'crafting system' level of 1000+ stats (the DNA might have been capped, but assembly allowed for more than 1000, even if experimentation was impossible over 100%)... and if the cap on DNA is 1000... then it follows that a CL300+ donor will still make a CL128 (or less) clone.
so... I offer the assertion: clone CL is based on stats, rather than donor CL.
if the 'true' CL rating of a critter is something you want to check (for whatever reason)... and the 'listed' CL is <75... make a purestrain without experimentation, and knock a few CL off for assembly. might be a good way to check the CRAFTING CL against the 'invented' and somewhat arbitrary CL of creatures.
lammergeier
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:46 pm
#11
and a re-direct to a new thread to discuss the confession.
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