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I'm Master Pistoleer & CH atm....

Very little healing skills on my part...so I rely on buffs for myself..and petstims for my pets.

How much Dath insect meat (of reasonable quality)would you take in trade for a free crate of 50 Stims C's?

That is a tough one and depends on the BE you set the deal up with. A Pet Stim C takes 24 units on Dath Insect Meat.A case of 50 would cost 1224 units of meat, one set for the schematic. Now put in there the sub components and time, well it would have to be a really nice stack to do it. I would get witha BE on your server and see what deal you can work up.

for a good crate of stim c's, I can't see them going below 150k. for the meat to make them, I can see it going for at least 10cpu. if you grabbed a stack of 15k, you're looking at getting at least 150k for it. you could very well get much more if it's good meat. insect meat is needed by both doctors and be's both.

in other words, if you were on eclipse, I'd trade you a case of stim pet c's for nothing under 10k of very nice dath insect meat or 15k of decent stuff. remember, we need high oq/pe

angel.

1 crate of Pet Stim C's of a quality worth making requires:

• 1248 units of Dathomirian Insect Meat (high OQ/PE)


• 1248 units Fiberplast (high OQ/UT)


• 330 units Talusian Water (high OQ)


• 330 units Dantooine Berries (high OQ/PE)


• 2016 units Tatooine Fiberplast (high OQ/UT)


• 2016 units Lokian Wild Wheat (high OQ/PE)


• 880 units Class 4 Petro Fuel (high OQ/PE)


• 880 units Herbivore Meat (high OQ/PE)

That's allowing for a couple tries at a good schematic for the sub-components (either by me or by a Master Doctor, preferably), and a couple tries at a good schematic for the pet stim. 'Course if someone brought me crates of Advanced Liquid Suspensions, Advanced Biological Effect Controllers and Advanced Chemical Release Duration Mechanisms, I'd only need the bug meat and generic fiberplast.

I make things for people for free if they bring me all the resources required to make them. That list is such a pain in the butt to gather all together, then wait for the sub-components to make, then wait for the pet stims to make...I've never had anyone ask me to do that for free. I've had people give me 5k of meat and for that I give 'em a crate once the pet stims spit out.

But that's just me. Others might handle it differently.

I agree on the price for the stims.. 150k ish. But the meat will go for 15 cpu easily. So 10k Dath insect meat would do it.

When someone aproachs me with the ingreadiants already inhand and just wants a master BE to make the product I charge them 30%. I think it's fair for the time I have to use to make it for em and the time I put into becoming a master BE.

really need an edit button...so it might be worth while to gather all the subcomponets and then aproach a BE and strike a deal if you already have the hardest componet to get inhand.

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angelonfire wrote:

for a good crate of stim c's, I can't see them going below 150k. for the meat to make them, I can see it going for at least 10cpu. if you grabbed a stack of 15k, you're looking at getting at least 150k for it. you could very well get much more if it's good meat. insect meat is needed by both doctors and be's both.

in other words, if you were on eclipse, I'd trade you a case of stim pet c's for nothing under 10k of very nice dath insect meat or 15k of decent stuff. remember, we need high oq/pe

angel.

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Using your prices, if someone gave you 15k units of meat, enough to make 12.5 crates, that's worth 1.725 million credits of profit to you after giving the guy his free crate.

Using the logic above, you'd only have to be given 2424 units (i.e. 2 crates worth of meat) to merit giving a free crate. That'd be 150k for you when you sell and 150k for the meat giver.

Obviously there's the subcomponent price that need to be reckoned, but 10k-15k units is way too high.

Do the translation into cash for both to figure out the real exchange rate. Doing profit sharing doesn't take into account the opportunity cost of the BE buying Insect meat on the open market and using up his supply of advanced components. And the time to do so. I don't know about you, but it takes a pretty long time for me to procure the other ingredients, create the sub-components, and then do the final combine. The profit-sharing idea only takes into account the final combine.

so.... 10 cpu for the meat and 150k for the crate. That's 15k of meat per crate. And you might be able to get a sweetheart deal for 10k meat.

Which leaves the BE with enough insect meat to run another (roughly) 9 crates which he can sell for 1.3 mil. But only after he has made 20 crates of Adv BEC, 10 crates of Adv LS and CRDM. Which requires finding 20k units of a couple resources with high OQ and PE, and 3k units of a couple others. And then find buyers for these crates, which requires /shouting at Corellia Starport... What I'm pointing out is that the seller of the insect meat definitely doesn't deserve splitting profits 50/50. The 15k per crate deal is about a 75/25 profit (not gross!) split, depending on cost of other resources, and value of the BE's time.

Medman obviously has some self-esteem issues that are behind the low (and possibly negative) value he places on his time.

itd not only that that is needed but would reduce price I would think

I make the following deal with a Master BE:

She buys my Dath insect meat for 12 cpu, and for every 1k meat that I provide I can buy back a crate of 25 to 30 pet stims-C with price ranging from 3100 to 3500 each.It's a great deal in my opinion. I could never find pet stims as great as the ones she can craft, and for that priceI see lower pet stims-B being sold. Shehas neverput a gun on my head. I get the meat while I'm having fun hunting, harvesting, doing missionsand getting my combat experience. I need those stims and she provides them.

So, for a crate of 50 stims, I should give her 2424 Dath insect meat? Hehe, that would be at least 62 cpu for the meat. Even as a hunter, I recognize that would be just... what's the word?... silly.

I know, and I thought any BE would know too, that along with those 24 insect meat, she uses 140 other resources per pet stim-C. They are turned into 4 sub-components before being assembled into the final product. I think it takes4 minutes for a factory to make the 2 necessary Adv BEC's, around 2.5 min for each of the Adv CRDM and the Adv Liq Susp. And it takes about 3.2 min to make the stim-C itself. That's 12.2 min per stim... more than 10 hours for a crate of 50. Let's not even talk about all the work and trouble to find, harvest, or buy the 7 or 8 different kind of resources, many of them planet especific, and feed them into the factory. All of this amidst tells and emails asking for BE tissues, and creature clones.

I have fun hunting for the meat she needs for my stims. She's happy doing all that work I just described... And I am happy that I can count on a Master BE who can craft the stims-C I want.

First off, is angelonfire a common MMO name, cause I knew someone with that name in TSO...

Now, on to business... Looks like I might be trying to work out a deal with my local MBE on some pet stims (assuming I still use pets after the patch). I have a second character that can survey, so the ingredients that require the use of a harvester shouldn't be TOO hard to find (well, not any harder than it is any OTHER day ). The other ingredients (the things that can be harvested from creatures) sound like fun to acquire, as they combine two of my favorite things in SWG... Killing things and skinning them . Now if only they'd let Rangers and BH's skin people, things would be cool. I can see it now... a new ingredient to make a new LLC... 500 units of HUMANOID bone...

I give about 10% free if the hunter wants to go that route. for 1k of meat i'll give 10 stims, for 5k of meat a free case. So he gets a case for 5k of meat and i get 166 to sell off. Usually charge about 3500 credits per stim C. So I am actually paying 35 credits per unit of meat which sucks but i am paying him for his service ( i dont have to deal with those **edit** poison spiders and the time to hunt) I do make sure to only swap off the stims that were made with the same meat he brought me.